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Heart-chakra problems....
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The author describes experiencing persistent heart palpitations and discomfort for a long time, which seem to be linked to negative self-grasping and self-consciousness. These symptoms have worsened after various life events, including a party, drug use, and a relationship. The author believes the root of the problem lies in the mind, and has made improvements by disidentifying from the discomfort and practicing meditation. Despite progress, the heart-funkiness still persists, and the author seeks advice on how to further alleviate the issue.

Hello!  This is a long post so if you're bored you might read it.

For quite some time now my heart has been in a very shaky state and I feel that it's been robbing me of my well-being for a while now.  It's a bit painful and very uncomfortable at times.  Sometimes my heart seems to be releasing some negative energies which are anxiety-like.  Sometimes it begins to palpitate pretty hard as if I was just running or in a fearful situation, although I'll be sitting or lying down completely immobile.  But sometimes I'll do some minor labour like walking up the stairs or getting up fast and my heart immediately starts going off and it feels very weak.


Last year, after one of the parties that I used to enjoy, the next day my heart was pounding really hard, and I hadn't slept.  I was getting insomnia because of the mixture of drugs that I was doing and being up so late throwing my body out of whack.  Anyway it was very uncomfortable and it wouldn't stop and I couldn't even relate the uncomfortable heart-palpitations to any event at all.  Not even to any thoughts or anything.  I knew something was 'wrong' but I didn't know what.  I wasn't going through any mental-emotional trauma or anything, although I was opening myself up the intimate Buddhist literature around that time.  It just appeared out of no where in the background, and it wouldn't stop.  At first it was very uncomfortable and even worrisome, but if I remember correctly, eventually it would dissipate or I would be able to ignore it effectively.

Me, being the genius that I am, persisted partying in the same way, with the same drugs, and the same routine, and I think it may have been at least a couple other times that the same thing would happen, and I don't think the heart problems ever really went away.

Then, last year something happened where inside if felt like something burst and the heart palpitations got much more intense and I would feel like I would be suffocating.  When it really started to go 'hard', it was immediately after I started to spend time with this chick that I started developing feelings for.  A lifetime of insecurity and fear completely over-whelmed me, and instantaneously my heart began to go haywire.  I would wake up in the morning with mild heart palpitations/anxiety-like and throughout the day it would vary in intensity, and I would continue with my work and everything while this shit kept going off in the background.  Very uncomfortable.  This went on for about a week when I then decided to tell the girl that I wasn't fit for any relations.  She felt the same way for some reason, told me she was scared, and we decided to stay friends.  We still hung out and fooled around for a little while after that, but that's besides the point.

Anyway, this was way back in Septemberish of last year.  Eventually me and the girl parted ways completely but remained friends. I've never had a 'broken' heart and I don't think I have one, but really I don't know what it is, I don't know what they feel like.  I just know my heart feels fucked up and it was giving me trouble before this girl ever came into the scene, so I can't really relate it to her, though the situation seemed to aggravate it.

I feel like I'm losing energy a lot of the time like it's leaking like a broken faucet.  My throat dries up a bit at times, and I've noticed that at times my heart will really start pounding if I start thinking about 'personal' things like imagining situations where I might find myself in a state of fear and insecurity, like speaking in front of large and critical audience or something like that.

It didn't used to be like this, but I've really been burning inside.

I have, however, made some good ground because I'm not suffering it like I used to.  I've disidentified from it, assuming the position of unassociated witness of it, as it were, to a certain extent where I have been able to examine it and I have come to the conclusion that the root of this discomfort is 100% mind-stuff, or rather, created and perpetuated in the mind, and totally the results of self-absorption, self-grasping, etc...

I don't find myself rolling in miserable thoughts and sensations though like before.  WHen it was really bothering me I would think constantly and suffer.

But now, although it gets very uncomfortable at times, I don't react and I just sort of let it sit there and i don't fuss about it, whereas before I would easily get more angry and agitated because of it.  Sometimes the heart palpitations will cease altogether and I'll feel quite peaceful.  I also started meditating with more earnestness and sincerity, and I owe my meditation practice to that, and also the insights that have taken place.

Anyway I felt like posting this because I was hoping of maybe getting some other perspective on the situation.  I used to smoke cigarettes when I would party was generally quiet unhealthy.

This heart-stuff - I'm not sure if it all mental-emotional, or if I have actually done some physical harm through ingestion of mdma, g, cigarettes, some coke here and there, or if all of the above.

So what it is at this point today, and right now, is that I believe that the root of these uncomfortable sensations at the centre of my being are related to negative self-grasping and self-consciousness.  Like I said, when I start imagining certain situations, I can almost at will get my heart to start beating hard.  for this same reason, I have also made improvements in my mental and emotional health by taking the 'witness' attitude and not identifying as much and trying to see the light when I can.  Meditating more often and enjoying it.  My quest for enlightenment has substantially matured and I am not suffering my non-enlightenment, and also the fantasies that I would have about also ceased.  I literally used to think I would one day wake up in a mansion with gold or something fucking stupid like that.  I am slowed down and narrowed my desires and vision to be utterly more realistic than it used to be and with that has come more peace.


But the only thing I wanted to still see if I can understand better with all of your helps, is that the heart-funkiness still persists after all this time.  I really want to 'uproot' this problem, but I'm having trouble imagining being able to do so, consider how damn persisted the discomfort is and the only respite I have is meditation, and not identifying, and ignoring, and thinking positive.  Still, it comes about and I lose energy and I feel like it's robbing me or greatness.

I would also like to add that between the initial emergence of the heart-discomfort, and the point that it really burst, I went through a period of the most wonderful beautiful satories that i have in my life.  Shit hit the fan, I even ended up in the psychward at some point (mixing drugs, parties and an urge for enlightenment are a bad mix!), but after I was released, I eventually found myself at one with myself like I have never before, and still like the depths of the ocean, in my heart, and great love and peace emanated from this state.  A natural joy and well-being which I had never experienced - ever.  There were external happenings which confirmed the magic of this state, or perhaps, revealed that I have always - due to the limitations of the mind - lived in a mind-made prison.

I had glimpsed for the first time in my life, what its like to be without strong self-grasping, to be free, at peace, without 'want', to be without fear, with clarity, peace, with love, without doubt, without this hear-attack, just peace and a delicious well-being.

I dunno.  All this stuff seems to be centred around the heart somehow.  If the heart is truly at peace, the world is at peace, and when it is troubled, well, life is never as enjoyable as when you're at peace.

I'm gonna meditate tonight and I'm gonna love it,that's all I know.


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Re: Heart-chakra problems.... [Re: Ginseng1]
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Enter, St. Anthony Demello:
I'll paraphrase his central teachings :
1) Get in touch with the Negative Feelings within You. There are negative feeling churning up inside of you, some of which you're aware of, others you are unaware of. Seek them out, feel them out, allow them into your Awareness.

2)Understand that the negative feelings are in YOU not in REALITY. the surrounding world has absolutely nothing to do with the negative feelings. You've been CONDITIONED by society, teachers and your internal ego to want to avoid certain situations, feelings, persons etc. Understand the FACT that these feelings, situations, persons are not NEGATIVE, you've merely been programmed to respond negatively to them. In submitting to this Negative Reaction, you either desire to run from the situations, persons, feelings OR if you HAVE to be with them, your mind will produce negative feelings and complaints...polluting your heart and severing your soul from Reality.

3)NEVER identify with the FEELINGS. It has NOTHING to do with the "I". They're merely products of the "me," the ego and the suffering movie that he writes, produces and acts in. YOU are not this ego, nor are you these Fleeting feelings. You know this.

4)Wake up, you only suffer when you SUBMIT to the pulls of Sleep. Recognize the fact that when YOU change, EVERYTHING changes. Here comes sunshine. Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world!


demello.org should help a lot, I deal with the same negative feelings in the heart. Anxiety, nervousness, propensity to blushing. These teachings REALLY spoke to me, I hope they'll speak to you!

Jah Bless

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Re: Heart-chakra problems.... [Re: MaryWarnerSamadhi]
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Do these pains come out of nowhere or does something trigger it? Does it happen a lot when you get up quick? Do you get dizzy? I know it sounds cliche, but it could very well be anxiety. This past year has been absolutely insane for almost everyone on this planet IMO. But it could be caused by a number of reasons... such as whats going on right now in our world, whats going on in your inner-world, it could even be toxins we may be taking in from our food, water and air! It could also be from personal beliefs. From what I see in most people... it seems like we are all having some type of chemical imbalance lately... and the fact that MANY people are feeling this way leads me to believe that it's something on the outside that is causing this imbalance on the inside. But I would have it checked out just to be safe.You will feel much better if you get it checked out to make sure it's nothing life-threatening.

Just a couple weeks ago I went to the ER thinking I was having a heart attack, the pain came out of nowhere and caused major disorientation. It was a sensation I have NEVER felt in my entire life. Turned out my heart was fine. When I said before that it could be from personal beliefs... Have you been trying to work out your heart chakra more because of this new pain? Sorry if I am jumping around... but Im throwing out these different ideas in hopes that one of them might steer you in the right direction.


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Re: Heart-chakra problems.... [Re: danlennon3]
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Just let yourself feel depressed/anxious. You've repressed(conciously/subconciously) to much sadness, probally to do with a fear of political events in the world that are out of your control(ie. Economic downturn and wars/environmental problems).

If you let yourself feel sad, it will help alot.

Just let it happen, it won't be easy, you will feel worse at first, but its kind of like withdrawl, it gets persistently better.


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Re: Heart-chakra problems.... [Re: danlennon3]
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Thanks for the input guys!

I was just writing a huge post but decided not to.. all this 'me' stuff!

I'm gonna check the doc and see what's up.  I know this shit is mostly caused and perpetuated by the mind, but it could have some other causes too which could be connected with plain old unhealthy shit like drug consumption.

Papaji said that "it is the 'I' that causes suffering.  remove this 'I' from you".

As far as I've come to see and experience, there is a lot of truth in that statement!


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Re: Heart-chakra problems.... [Re: Ginseng1]
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Quote:
Understand that the negative feelings are in YOU not in REALITY. the surrounding world has absolutely nothing to do with the negative feelings. You've been CONDITIONED by society, teachers and your internal ego to want to avoid certain situations, feelings, persons etc.



how do you know negative feelings are not any more part of reality than positive feelings. also i would argue negative feelings would be more conditioned from the ego than society, though society can make it worse. it's definitely not true that everyone says to avoid failure, not take risks, get hurt by people's judgments, all of things the ego likes to do.

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I feel like I'm losing energy a lot of the time like it's leaking like a broken faucet.  My throat dries up a bit at times, and I've noticed that at times my heart will really start pounding if I start thinking about 'personal' things like imagining situations where I might find myself in a state of fear and insecurity, like speaking in front of large and critical audience or something like that.



sounds like panic attacks to me. as others have said, just let the anxiety happen instead of fearing and fighting it which will make it worse. also your focusing to much into the future, just focus on dealing what's going on now which is the only thing you can do.

and ask yourself why is it so bad to feel fear and insecurity. as for speaking in front of a large audience, how can you be so sure you will embarrass yourself(assuming that's the fear related to it). and if you did, will it really be that bad and change anything about you.


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Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
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Re: Heart-chakra problems.... [Re: bigmike7104]
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Its panick attacks I used to get the bad heart palpitations and chest pain too. There are NO nerve endings in your heart. Thats the single best advice ive ever been given about my anxiety. Know that as long as you worry about it the palpitations wont get better.unfortunately Panic attacks share alot of the same symptoms of an incoming heart attack so its easy to get...confused.

are you an active person?


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Re: Heart-chakra problems.... [Re: Hakim0777]
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Hakim0777 said:
Its panick attacks I used to get the bad heart palpitations and chest pain too. There are NO nerve endings in your heart. Thats the single best advice ive ever been given about my anxiety. Know that as long as you worry about it the palpitations wont get better.unfortunately Panic attacks share alot of the same symptoms of an incoming heart attack so its easy to get...confused.

are you an active person?



A bit active im workin out a few times a week...

I don't think it's panic attack because, well when you get panic attacks you're supposed to 'panic' no?

But I don't panic..  My heart just beats kind of hard but I don't feel panic, it's just unpleasant sensations that are pretty strong, but I dont't have accompanying thoughts of despair..

I thought panic attcks are a conglomeration of extremely fearful thoughts of despair and and body heart attack sensations..

Anyway, I think I can get out of this it's just gonna take some time and sincerity to get through it.

Meditation has helped tremendously.


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Re: Heart-chakra problems.... [Re: Hakim0777]
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Hakim0777 said:
Thats the single best advice ive ever been given about my anxiety.



How's your anxiety/panics treating you now?  Are you free of it as is its in the past or are wat?


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Re: Heart-chakra problems.... [Re: Ginseng1]
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For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure it's entirely possible to suffer a panic attack without "connecting the dots" and realizing what is causing it. I mean that's pretty much what anxiety is... fear without conscious acknowledgment. It doesn't have to be "thoughts of despair" so much as just conjuring something overwhelming, which seems to be exactly what you're referencing when you site examples of imagining yourself in threatening situations, etc.

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Re: Heart-chakra problems.... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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JacquesCousteau said:
For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure it's entirely possible to suffer a panic attack without "connecting the dots" and realizing what is causing it. I mean that's pretty much what anxiety is... fear without conscious acknowledgment. It doesn't have to be "thoughts of despair" so much as just conjuring something overwhelming, which seems to be exactly what you're referencing when you site examples of imagining yourself in threatening situations, etc.



True.

Well, the main issue I feel is that the general uneasiness linger all day, even when there are relatively long periods of mental quietude.  Once in a while it seems to subside completely but usually when im immersed in conversation or something.  If I begin to self-grasp in negative ways it'll really start pumping, so obviously I have learned to be mindful of it and not roll in it so I'm able for the most part to keep the heart at relative 'ease' compared to the strong palpitations.  Obviously I haven't 'uprooted' this thing, but I feel as though at least I'm on the right path since I've learned a lot from it.  I could be in denial also.

Well, If I do liberate myself from all these mental afflictions Ill make sure to throw a party and your all invited.  :smile:


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Edited by Ginseng1 (03/06/11 11:35 PM)

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Re: Heart-chakra problems.... [Re: Ginseng1]
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Thanks for the demello link...

I think Alpha has a fair point... letting yourself feel some sadness and/or negative emotion may help.

I hope you realize that some of the symptoms you describe sound like the beginning of textbook panic attack.

This started to increase in frequency and intensity for me this year, after ending a nasty bout with stimulant abuse, which left me in a "fragile" mental/emotional state.

Then for some brilliant reason I dumped psychedelic TNT on top of that and probably crowbarred my third eye and all the rest in one go. This left me with MONTHS of random revelations, memories from childhood, strange emotional sensations popping up...

...regarding the mystical aspect... I think I fully opened my "throat" chakra (a lifelong communicative block has been somewhat overcome.... take a look at my daily post avg...lol)  But I think I'm still dealing with a lot of emotional debris...

what kind of drugs were you messing with? (i know you mentioned coke, and psychedelics generally..)  just curious...


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