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SAD and Light Therapy
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This is real interesting to me:

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Seasonal affective disorder (SAD), also known as winter depression or winter blues, is a mood disorder in which people who have normal mental health throughout most of the year experience depressive symptoms in the winter, or, less frequently, in the summer,[1] spring or autumn, repeatedly, year after year. In the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV), SAD is not a unique mood disorder, but is "a specifier of major depression".[2]

Once regarded skeptically by the experts, seasonal affective disorder is now well established. Epidemiological studies estimate that its prevalence in the adult population of the US ranges from 1.4 percent (Florida) to 9.7 percent (New Hampshire).[3]

The US National Library of Medicine notes that "some people experience a serious mood change when the seasons change. They may sleep too much, have little energy, and may also feel depressed. Though symptoms can be severe, they usually clear up."[4] The condition in the summer is often referred to as reverse seasonal affective disorder, and can also include heightened anxiety.[5]

SAD was first formally described and named in 1984 by Norman E. Rosenthal and colleagues at the National Institute of Mental Health.[6][7]

There are many different treatments for classic (winter-based) seasonal affective disorder, including light therapy with sunlight or bright lights, antidepressant medication, cognitive-behavioral therapy, ionized-air administration,[8] and carefully timed supplementation of the hormone melatonin.[9]



Here in NY we have had blizzard after blizzard. I haven't been getting my sunlight and I think it's been making me feel a bit down. It's also interesting that our bodies need sunlight in order to produce a type of vitamin (vitamin d I believe). Can't wait for the spring, the sun, the grass, the birds... the winter is just so dead... and cold.

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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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sungazing is the best light therapy , as long as you do it when it is where you can see it without squinting in defense it is not harmful , for most people that's the first or least 30 seconds or so  of rise and set, maybe 10 seconds a day like solar healing center  suggests,

not that people care about the truth but some actually do , the right nostril contains infinite solar prana and th eleft lunar, anyone who is depressed is always with an active left nostril and a partially or fully closed right nostril, laya yoga creates states of minds based upon noticing which nostril is open and what state of mind you want
more energy , they shut the left close a bit and breath thru the right
less energy they do the opposite
the best is alternate nostril breathing though, but 5 - 25 breaths through the right nostril heals depression  and combats sleepiness

when you wake up and are dead tired check your nostrils, its the left,

its a science, you can obscure science with lies but you can't obscure it with truth you add to it , what our scientists do with their scientific method depends on their ability to think outside the box and then find a way to explain mystery

science is magic manifest .
the yogis were scientists of spiritual ecstasy , so they gave you a scientific method to attain supreme ecstatic joy and its called yoga .  the eastern people ( i guess i don't call india eastern in this argument ) did it with tai chi and etc, t hey worked with a different field than the pran of yogis.

dr william bates  made people stare at the sun for hours so they could get perfect 20 - 10 vision
just like lsd is , in many ways , good for us , and does not cause you to be _____________ ( insert lie here ) so too is sunlight NOT bad for the eyes, but be warned before you even consider these ideas you should look at dr bates work , because there are many modifications and variables to eyes + sun and it has to do with the strength or weakness of your eyes  , read
http://www.iblindness.org/books/bates/

spiritually energetically too zealously gazing can mess things up , a little bit goes a long way .

the society in Idiocracy decayed because science used all its time giving monkeys viagra to measure their erections, that should hopefully show you that its only as good as the brilliance and ingenuity of the ones using it, they are some times really dumb.

oh myg od you won'd throw your lie away by eating 1 gram of mushrooms would , you're stupid
oh my god you wouldn't throw your eyes away by look gat the sun would you, you're stupid
Proazc Cryst is your savior, not psilocybin, its the devil

see how stupid some people are ? but here's some proof sunlight is good to look at , in fact if yout hink about it the moles are blind, as dr bates found people with perfect vision could see the sun any time of the day without pain.

this should make sense to even the most surprised people that belives in the lies that society somehow generated out of wives tales and prejudice, people have been eating mushrooms and looking at the sun BUT not at the same time( dilated pupils can cause sun damage, as they are not used to being dilated  t and do not defend themselves by closing or warning you of a too high light level )  for millions of years

then stuffy scared white dudes that killed all sorts of other race$s that sit around in the shade got so used to the dark they obviously felt that anything different was damaging, such as sunlight or mushrooms.

doesn't mean i don't mean that it has to do with race it means that , right now, the white race has done a lot of bad stuff but the color doesn't matter, just the actions.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (01/26/11 08:16 PM)

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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: leery11]
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I legitimately get depressed in the winter.  I work outside (on purpose) because I like the sun.

A lot.


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: leery11]
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leery11 said:
people have been eating mushrooms and looking at the sun BUT not at the same time( dilated pupils can cause sun damage, as they are not used to being dilated  t and do not defend themselves by closing or warning you of a too high light level )  for millions of years



I thought that even without having dilated pupils staring at the sun is harmful?

@Cosmo: yeah, the whole interaction between the human body and the seasons is damn fascinating.  :thumbup:


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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I live in rainy england & never get this to be honest, im sure the grey skies have an effect on my body, but that effect doesn't effect me

The true sun shines from within  :sunny:

In the last few years whenever i catch myself happy because of the sun shining, i actually reject that happiness because its dependent on external causes, i reject it & focus on the true happiness of the Self, you guys are probly like ffs chronic you never give up, but im telling the truth, having happiness depend on external causes is like paying for oxygen imo, completely unecessary.


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: Chronic7]
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What's wrong with taking a little happiness whenever you can get it?  Liking the fact that the sun is shining doesn't necessarily mean you'll get attached/dependent on it for happiness.  :confused:


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: deCypher]
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well some might call it 'contaminated happiness'

i think chronic is just hardcore about his happiness :grin:


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: deff]
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Pshh, y'all are just a bunch of happiness snobs.  :snub:


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: deCypher]
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lol
you get what you give. You give efforts to find true happiness, you get true happiness.
You give in at the first sign of happiness from whatever source, you get happiness only when it comes to you.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: Kickle]
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Happiness is happiness; I don't think there really is such a qualifier as "true" or "false".  Sure, some sources of happiness may be more transient than others but why not make efforts to seek long-lasting happiness while gracefully accepting the more fleeting versions that the Universe has opted to bestow on you?  :grin: :sunny:


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: deCypher] * 1
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well in buddhism, what most people call pleasure/happiness is really the 'suffering of change' :lol:

there's subtle suffering present in all conditioned sources of apparent happiness as they never last. for example, if you've been standing for a while taking a seat seems like a source of happiness. so you sit. then you've been sitting for a while and you get sore, so standing appears to be a source of happiness, so you stand, etc... rinse&repeat

in samsara we're always bouncing from one thing to another and can never find lasting happiness in any objects or conditions, this is the suffering of change. what chronic is pointing to is something else though, which is unchanging and thus an actual source of happiness.


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: deff]
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why not make efforts to seek long-lasting happiness while gracefully accepting the more fleeting versions that the Universe has opted to bestow on you?

Bestowed on who? That's the rejection that Chronic is talking about. It isn't saying "go away" or pushing it. It is looking into it and not just blindly following it because to do so temporarily feels good. It is rejecting the temporary feels goodness of following while in search of what lasts.

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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: Kickle]
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I still see nothing wrong with accepting a natural feeling of happiness when the sun comes out.  I don't think this counts as "blindly following" anything unless you became attached to the feeling and subsequently become sad once the sun is no longer there.  This acceptance isn't mutually exclusive with searching for more lasting sources of happiness.


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: deCypher]
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This quote from the Tao te Ching is relevant here, methinks:

Things arise and she lets them come;
things disappear and she lets them go.


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: deCypher]
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yeah, blindly following was a poor and unclear word choice. Accepting that the happiness felt from the sun is who you are is blinding yourself to who you really are tho. And it is a form of attachment, even if you disengage after.

This isn't in contradiction with that wisdom from the Tao. Things are not kept at bay, they arise and are explored until they fade back into nothingness. Is that me? Why am I still here after it has faded? Why was I here before it arose? 


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
Accepting that the happiness felt from the sun is who you are is blinding yourself to who you really are tho.



Huh?  Where did anyone say anything about the happiness felt from the sun being who they are?

Kickle said:
And it is a form of attachment, even if you disengage after.



I disagree.  Letting the felt warmth of the sun and the subsequent happiness that I feel arise hardly counts as attachment unless I try to cling to it or futilely grasp at the sensation in the hopes that it will continue forever.  Either way, I still maintain there is happiness snobbery afoot in this thread.  :lol:


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
Things are not kept at bay, they arise and are explored until they fade back into nothingness.



Exactly what I'm getting at.  :thumbup:

Kickle said:
Is that me? Why am I still here after it has faded? Why was I here before it arose?



:psychsplit:


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: deCypher]
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Then we are after the same thing. It is the exploration that is a rejection of acceptance. I do not accept this is what it appears to be and so question it.


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: Kickle]
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Wait, now I feel like we're talking crossways at each other.  In the sun example, I accept the feeling of warmth and the subsequent feeling of happiness I receive from it, and I explore how my mind reacts upon the fading of both these perceptions: ideally, without attachment.  Not sure what you're getting at by saying "I do not accept this is what it appears to be"; are you saying that you suspect these feelings of warmth and happiness are NOT, in fact, feelings of warmth and happiness?  :what:


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Re: SAD and Light Therapy [Re: deCypher]
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I suspect that the feeling of happiness is not me so how can *I* feel happy?


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