Icelander said:

I watched a Nova special on Stress last night.  Very interesting. They were looking at Baboons in their hierarchy  and taking blood samples check for stress hormones. The meanest, fiercest, baddest top dog baboons all had the least stress. The further down the chain the worse it was and the shorter the life span with hardening of the arteries and high blood pressure and the same shit we have.

Now this is quite interesting to me.  Nature (you could read nature as God or Ultimate consciousness if you like)  favors the strongest, meanest, cunningest, over the meek, mild, fearful, peaceful.  Not just with most all the pussy and the best and most food but with a more relaxed and comfortable life.

I would live to hear a discussion on this.

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That is motherfuckin life, dawg! It just feels right, and darwinism in action! Social animals are fucked up, yall

but not to nitpick... but you say (this case the baboon) that nature favors the strongest, meanest, etc over the meek, mild, fearful, PEACEFUL.... but then say the stronger one is more relaxed and comfortable life? See the contradiction? How would you qualify its life as more relaxed and comfortable if it isnt natural for it to be mild and peaceful at times? Ah but at the bottom as an animal they operate under the domineering passions - they are drives that want to be fulfilled (and this requires strife) until it reaches sucess and can enter a little homeostasis, whereas the defeated is unfulfilled and wrought with nasty short end of the stick darwinism - doomed to a bad dice roll of darwinism or something - but as an organism it still tries - and prudence of nature says, youre gonna die early bitch...


But we humans have confounded this to a certain degree... we have an "ascetic" side (passions brought into question) - a lil secret weapon/vice - depending





Stress hormones? What is the utility in these factors that were more present in the less dominate baboons? Natural blow back or perhaps a natural spur? Were these less dominate ones still striving for power? Had they aged and lost it? Etc... relevant questions, no?

Anyway it seems logical that if you are at the top of a social hierarchy you are going to be least stressed, especially if we would posit the baboons as "enjoying" less consciousness than we humans. That is, they find themselves in their place with natural ease, not second guessing or planning that much, instinctual basically. I mean, right!? Chauvinistic? (or jealous?)

But then again what is stress? How does it enter consciousness? We can best measure by behavior? Or like what they said effects such as blood pressure and etc.


As for the human, perhaps it could be said that, it all depends on the relative social situation... I suppose we could assume that given the many different cultures and many billions of humans, the individual is taxed by differing expectations - not only from society and from differing culture, but also biological needs & thus how they properly fit together... Which is more powerful?

Maybe higher consciousness is higher gullibility to some sense... wouldn't we say that if you were raised by very domineering priestly like people, you would be more stressed by power than by being meek? That is to say, your formative years predicate what feels right? Or can we really shed that biology? Power can be played out psychologically in the human, right? Muhahahaha

I guess humanity has confounded what it is to be an alpha male or something, wretches!

Butttttttttttt our culturing has allowed an ambiguous state to flourish and many of us find ourselves in comfy bourgeoisie lifes, food is a plenty and hopefully pussy is pretty available, a good number of females even favor beta male characteristics if you at least get yourself out there and not hermit... so how could our stress (if any) under this guise relate to those defeated baboons? (who live in a ostensibly harsher, more natural setting) At least theirs is "more natural" or something...  oh and are those submissive baboons even getting any? I dont know how their society works...

andrewss said:

At least theirs is "more natural" or something...  oh and are those submissive baboons even getting any? I dont know how their society works...

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Probably just like humanity for the most part

Icelander said:

I watched a Nova special on Stress last night.  Very interesting. They were looking at Baboons in their hierarchy  and taking blood samples check for stress hormones. The meanest, fiercest, baddest top dog baboons all had the least stress. The further down the chain the worse it was and the shorter the life span with hardening of the arteries and high blood pressure and the same shit we have.

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nature, what an asshole

Icelander said:

I wonder what it feels like to be on top of the heap?

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Icelander said:

I would live to hear a discussion on this.

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I thought you never watched television

  As to the topic it doesn't surprise me.  Usually when people are confident they are relaxed.  Although baboons aren't human, so the evidence isn't necessarily conclusive. (although it's safe to say it's pretty damn close)

Icelander said:

Top dogs are satisfied and aren't attracted to the so called deeper experiences. Thy are in full play mode.

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Cognitive_Shift said:

Icelander said:

I would live to hear a discussion on this.

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I thought you never watched television

  As to the topic it doesn't surprise me.  Usually when people are confident they are relaxed.  Although baboons aren't human, so the evidence isn't necessarily conclusive. (although it's safe to say it's pretty damn close)

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