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1. Law A body of persons sworn to judge and give a verdict on a given matter, especially a body of persons summoned by law and sworn to hear and hand down a verdict upon a case presented in court.

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It should be said that, I suspect that he may be guilty of not wearing a condom or even being somewhat chauvinistic in his attitude toward women. I do not think these are or should be crimes anywhere in the western world. Until I had found the details of the case I did suspect he may have guilty of the crimes and was worried of the implications for wikileaks.

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a body of persons sworn to give a verdict on some matter submitted to them; especially : a body of persons legally selected and sworn to inquire into any matter of fact and to give their verdict according to the evidence

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JT Said:
wellllll he turned himself in. let the shit slinging begin. i wonder how long it will take them to think of a reason to extradite him to my beautiful country.

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> This strikes me as revenge for the leaked war documents.
> Not to say the allegations are false, but this seems incredibly convenient.

At the same time, knowing that people would think the government(s) are gunning for him, Assange could have taken advantage of the situation to play out his darker desires.

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It is pointless to speculate.  ...  I would prefer to not prejudice myself, unlike others, and come to a conclusion of guilt or innocence ...

Until then, rather than speculate like the rest of you, I will refrain from deciding that he is guilty or innocent. ...

I refuse to speculate on his guilt or innocence ...

The reason that I don't speculate towards Assange's guilt or innocence ...

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Seuss said:

Why the hatred?

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I really don't understand why you are so upset that I refuse to pronounce Assange innocent or guilty.  You have pulled every trick in the book to denigrate me.  You have called me names.  You have quoted me out of context.  You have pronounced my intent.  You have misrepresented my statements.  You have been ruthless and vicious in your attacks against me, all because I refuse to judge Assange with respect to the criminal allegations made against him in Sweden.  Why the hatred?

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ScavengerType said:

IMO your lying about remembering the TPB trial

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Seuss said:

I knew

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Seuss said:

I posted

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Seuss said:

I cited

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Seuss said:

Yep... I have no problem judging him to be a pompous ass.

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Seuss said:

My judgment of his character does not land him in prison.

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ScavengerType said:

there is a massive risk of Assange not getting a fair stake on account of US influence. The difference Between a Lay Judge and an actual Juror (in proper sense) as to being politically coerced to a verdict or politically screened into the position is actually detrimental to the situation.

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I care more about evidence than circumstances.  As no evidence has been released to the public, I try to hold back judgment.  However, I do find it concerning that the claims against Assange were made by two different people.

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lucydforme said:

the recent labeling of Assange as a "terrorist" for leaking government secrets, when in fact all he has done is purvey them to the public.

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As a citizen of the U.S. I have known fair well that our government has an extensive paper trail of deception and deceit, but have never actually seen it. To me it looks like the U.S. government needed a scapegoat and Assange fit the bill, all they would have to do is intimidate a key people here and there, and then Assange disappears after his "trial".

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Informal discussions have already taken place between US and Swedish officials over the possibility of the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange being delivered into American custody, according to diplomatic sources.
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The US Justice Department is considering charging Mr Assange with espionage offences over his website’s unprecedented release of classified US diplomatic files. Several right-wing American politicians are pressing for his prosecution and even execution, with Sarah Palin, the former vice-presidential candidate, saying he should be pursued the same as al-Qa’ida and Taliban leaders.
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Sources stressed that no extradition request would be submitted until and unless the US government laid charges against Mr Assange, and that attempts to take him to America would only take place after legal proceedings are concluded in Sweden.

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Glen Greenwald: it’s the concern that Assange and his lawyers have—is that what this really is is just a ploy to get him into custody in a country, which is Sweden, that is very subservient to the United States, that is willing to extradite him to the United States or turn him over with the slightest request. And any person who has followed the United States, quote-unquote, "justice system" over the last decade knows that there’s good reason to fear that, that anybody who’s accused of national security crimes, especially if they’re not an American citizen, is treated in violation of virtually every Western norm of justice, without almost any due process.
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Assange: The Swedish government has been pressured at the intelligence agency level to its body SAPO. When I left Sweden on the 27th of September, my—to a flight to Berlin on SAS, one of the world’s most—if not the world’s most reputable airline—my luggage disappeared. That was the—I was the only case in that plane.

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