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OfflineEllis Dee
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A quick question on Iraqi oil
    #1351117 - 03/04/03 11:28 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

If the war is about oil why didn't they keep the oil 12 years ago and why aren't they planning to keep it now?


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1351121 - 03/04/03 11:30 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

because 12 years ago, bush sr. didnt get hussein out of there, did he?


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1351143 - 03/04/03 11:41 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Because it's NOT just about oil.


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1351339 - 03/05/03 03:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

> If the war is about oil why didn't they keep the oil 12 years ago
> and why aren't they planning to keep it now?

I think it's about maintaining the status quo: American economic domination. Part of that plan requires controlling oil and economies, especially in the Middle East. As long as Saddam is selling oil for Euros, then the US has no control over their oil. My prediction is that, if the US invades, they will install a puppet government that will switch Iraq back to the dollar.

So its not truly about oil but oil is a major factor.


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1352361 - 03/05/03 12:25 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

don't you mean

it's not JUST about oil

:tongue: 


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: MushyMay]
    #1352423 - 03/05/03 12:59 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

don't you mean

it's not JUST about oil

:tongue: 



No.


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1352568 - 03/05/03 02:01 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

No need to be so blunt. If anyone thinks that oil is not playing a major role in this conflict then they are seriously deluded.


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Edited by MushyMay (03/05/03 02:02 PM)


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: MushyMay]
    #1352713 - 03/05/03 02:56 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I'd have to agree here. I think it's extremely foolish to believe that oil has absolutely NOTHING to do with the present conflict with Iraq. It's equally foolish to think that oil is the only reason the US is threatening war with Iraq. It's far more complicated than either of the above scenarios. It's more like somewhere in the middle, really.


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: psilo25]
    #1352803 - 03/05/03 03:30 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Here is an interesting theory, which I'm sure will be completely ignored by the anti-war folk here:

If all we want is cheap oil, we would stay out of Iraq and spend more effort appeasing the Saudis. Saudi Arabia has some of the largest, if not the largest, oil fields under it and we are on relatively good terms with them. So why risk throwing that all away by invading Iraq and destabilizing the entire area?


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: Anonymous]
    #1352907 - 03/05/03 04:15 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

why risk throwing that all away by invading Iraq and destabilizing the entire area?

I think it was LDS who recently used the classic quote "to the victor, the spoils" .This war is not JUST about oil, it just happens to be a nice side dish to what I think is a far more sinister meal.



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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: Anonymous]
    #1353042 - 03/05/03 05:49 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

If all we want is cheap oil, we would stay out of Iraq and spend more effort appeasing the Saudis. Saudi Arabia has some of the largest, if not the largest, oil fields under it and we are on relatively good terms with them. So why risk throwing that all away by invading Iraq and destabilizing the entire area?

because then we'd just have one oil nation that we were kindof-sortof on good terms with. this way, we get that... plus we OWN Iraq.



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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: MushyMay]
    #1353418 - 03/05/03 11:12 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Where did you see me say oil couldn't be a factor?


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: Anonymous]
    #1353512 - 03/06/03 12:58 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Because the Saudis are starting to sell for Euros and their oil will run out before the Iraqis oil.


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1354757 - 03/06/03 11:51 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Where did you see me say that you said that oil couldn't be a factor?


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: MushyMay]
    #1357117 - 03/08/03 12:59 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Despite the fact that the conflict is not only about oil - as many of you have said. Its not about getting cheap oil - the oil industry has given a lot of money to the powers that be and if oil prices crash they will be in serious trouble. A few years ago everyone loved the low gas prices but the industry was losing millions of dollars a day. Its more about controlling the oil market so that its not too expensive (not hurting the economy) but not too cheap hurting the oil industry

Just my two cents.


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1373136 - 03/13/03 03:38 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

If the war is about oil why didn't they keep the oil 12 years ago and why aren't they planning to keep it now?


Ask Cheney, he made a shitload rebuilding them after the war. Seems like a pretty big conflict of interest. Secretary of Defense, go destroy oil fields, become CEO of a company that rebuilds them, rinse, repeat.


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1373631 - 03/13/03 07:18 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Because it's NOT just about oil.

Let's see, the US now is in control of the largest heroin producing country in the world, is about to be in control of the second largest oil producion country in the world, and as soon as we can get that undercontrol we will be overtly (not having to hide it couched in terms of "advisors") heading for Colombia, the largest cocain production country in the world.....

Is it just me or is there a pattern here? At least they are getting the bases all covered but if this pattern holds out I hope Japan is next because I really like sushi.....


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: Anonymous]
    #1373665 - 03/13/03 07:30 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I am anti-war in THIS case.....
I don't CARE or WANT cheap oil because I have been developing skills to live a life without it for years.....let's spend some of the cash we would spend on the war toward renewable/sustainable fuels and more efficent engines not to mention our schools and the next generation, the people who will help fix this mess.......

How about going 2 trillion dollars into debt creating more efficent solar panels or hydro generators or fuel cells or hydrogen engines etc etc?

That would make way too much sense as it would cut our dependancys on foreign governments, help the environment and otherwise make life much better......

Your reference to the Saudi's is so perfect. They do have the largest oil supply in the world AND they are overtly supporting terrorists. Why drum up some sketchy links to terrorists as the US is doing with Saddam to justify fucking with him when the freaking Saudi's are giving suicide bombers famililies cash AND whoes government is one of the most repressive governments in the world? Two words, Mecca and Modena. We fuck with Saudis and the Islamic world comes down on us but Baghdad? What claim to fame does that have besides being home to Genie......?


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: MushyMay]
    #1373813 - 03/13/03 08:33 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Edited by TheHateCamel (12/05/07 11:13 PM)


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Re: A quick question on Iraqi oil [Re: upupup]
    #1374954 - 03/14/03 07:02 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Why drum up some sketchy links to terrorists as the US is doing with Saddam to justify fucking with him when the freaking Saudi's are giving suicide bombers famililies cash AND whoes government is one of the most repressive governments in the world?





The above quote describes Saddam Hussein's regime perfectly. He gives cash to the families of suicide bombers, and is one of the most repressive governments in the world.


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