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Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests
    #1414898 - 03/27/03 03:46 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests
Reuters, 03.27.03, 6:54 AM ET

http://www.forbes.com/iraq/newswire/2003/03/27/rtr921647.html

MOSCOW, March 27 (Reuters) - Russia on Thursday moved to defend its oil interests in Iraq, saying it would insist that Russian oil company contracts with Baghdad be honoured after the U.S.-led war to overthrow the government of Saddam Hussein.

Energy Minister Igor Yusufov said Russian oil companies should be involved in the reconstruction of Iraq's oil infrastructure as soon as the war was over.

"We are currently working on the immediate return of Russian firms, which have interests in Iraq, to the country as soon as peace is restored," Yusufov told local news agencies.

His comments came after some Russian oil bosses said they were sceptical about the prospects of keeping multi-billion dollar deals in a post-Saddam Iraq, especially after the United States began this week to hire its firms to rebuild the Iraqi oil industry.

"They should return to their projects, evaluate the situation with the equipment left and start working," Yusufov said of Russian firms.

Nikolai Tokarev, the head of Russian state oil firm Zarubezhneft, which has big interests in Iraq, told Reuters this week he saw no prospects for Russian firms in post-war Iraq as the United States would squeeze its rivals out of the region.

He also said he was sceptical about the prospects of using international law to keep existing deals under a government that might replace Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's.

U.S. oil services firms, including a subsidiary of Halliburton Inc (nyse: HAL - news - people), formerly headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, this week was awarded U.S. government contracts to assess and extinguish oil well fires in Iraq and supply well control services.

Halliburton, the world's second largest oilfield services firm, has a long history of involvement in military logistical support for the U.S. government.

But the biggest deals will be for the development of several giant fields that make Iraqi oil reserves second only in size to to Saudi Arabia's.



BIG CONTRACTS

Russian firms have signed contracts worth $4 billion with Saddam's government to drill oil wells, deliver equipment and develop Iraq's massive oil reserves.

The key deal is a $3.7 billion contract held for years by Russian oil giant LUKOIL , smaller Zarubezhneft and Mashinnoimport to develop a huge West Qurna field.

Iraq scrapped the contract last year saying LUKOIL was seeking U.S. guarantees to keep the field under any government change. Baghdad said it was likely to leave the contract in Russian hands, with Zarubezhneft as a possible operator.

In January, Baghdad awarded a contract to Russia's oil and gas construction company Stroitransgaz to develop block four in Iraq's Western Desert.

It also initialled contracts with Soyuzneftegaz, a small company, for the 100,000-barrel-a-day Rafidain field in southern Iraq and with medium-sized oil producer Tatneft (nyse: TNT - news - people) for block nine in the Western Desert.

It also started negotiations with Zarubezhneft on the giant Bin Umar field -- news which came as a shock to French oil major TotalFinaElf which has long been earmarked for the $3.4 billion development.

Russian firms also have contracts worth tens of millions of dollars to supply equipment to Iraq, including for power generation plants, agriculture, and transportation.

Oil deals under the UN oil-for-food programme include Zarubezhneft's contract to drill 45 wells and Tatneft's contracts to drill 33 wells on the Kirkuk field. Mashinnoimport has a $75-million contract to drill 90 wells.

Copyright 2003, Reuters News Service


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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: pattern]
    #1414904 - 03/27/03 03:48 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

Who wudda thunk Russia would get involved with Iraq???


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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Murex]
    #1414926 - 03/27/03 03:55 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

yes, and who'd of thunk the united states would have done the exact same thing 15 years ago when saddam was at the height of his muderous rampage...

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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Murex]
    #1414932 - 03/27/03 03:57 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

> Who wudda thunk Russia would get involved with Iraq???

If they do, then this could turn into World War III


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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: pattern]
    #1414951 - 03/27/03 04:06 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

And here we go.


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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: pattern]
    #1414953 - 03/27/03 04:06 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

It really shouldn't be too much of a problem, we aren't interested in the oil fields, so I'm sure we'll honor Russia's contracts.


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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1414971 - 03/27/03 04:16 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

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It really shouldn't be too much of a problem, we aren't interested in the oil fields, so I'm sure we'll honor Russia's contracts.




Haha. I like that.

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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: pattern]
    #1414981 - 03/27/03 04:18 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

If they do, then this could turn into World War III

Russia is weak. It would hardly constitute as WW3.


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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Murex]
    #1415008 - 03/27/03 04:27 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

thats what we said about Iraq, but they're puttin up a nice little fight...Also, If we're tied up in the Mid East fighting Iraq and Russia, who's to say Iran and syria etc. etc. wouldn't join the party...North Korea could would probibly find that to be the perfect chance to finally erase us off the map....we're finished. face it. Bush has bitten off more than we can chew.


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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: FatNug]
    #1415012 - 03/27/03 04:29 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

Murex,

So now you support going to war with Russia over oil fields that you don't even believe the US is interested in in the first place??


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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1415036 - 03/27/03 04:41 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

They're going to be forced into making their true intentions obvious to everyone.



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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Learyfan]
    #1415041 - 03/27/03 04:43 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

There was a lot of talk on tv today about accepting a conditional surrender.

I wonder what the conditions would be and if Hussein would be allowed to keep his power under the conditions.


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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1415696 - 03/27/03 09:40 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

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and if Hussein would be allowed to keep his power under the conditions.



I can't imagine any conditions that would allow that at this point.


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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1415828 - 03/28/03 08:54 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

I can't imagine Hussein accepting anything else, and even accepting that would be a stretch.

So, you still think this war's got nothing to do with oil?


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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1415854 - 03/28/03 09:29 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Senor Doobie writes:

There was a lot of talk on tv today about accepting a conditional surrender.

Gee, I wonder what the likelihood is of that happening, seeing how scrupulously Hussein fulfilled the terms of the last conditional surrender.

For those who haven't yet bothered to read the terms of the last conditional surrender, you may be interested to know that exactly zero conditions laid out in it have been fulfilled by Iraq. That's right, folks -- not a single one.

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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Phred]
    #1415859 - 03/28/03 09:41 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Yet, there it was all over CNN.

Go figure.

Did you read the article pinky? It's all about how the Russians are gonna get involved if their oil interests aren't looked after in post-war Iraq. Are you at all confident that the US puppet government will honor that contract?



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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1415874 - 03/28/03 09:56 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Senor Doobie writes:

It's all about how the Russians are gonna get involved if their oil interests aren't looked after in post-war Iraq.

This only shows what I have been saying for months -- the war is not "all about oil", but the opposition to it by Russia and France certainly is.

Are you at all confident that the US puppet government will honor that contract?

If I were involved in any post-war Iraqi government, "puppet" or otherwise, I would favor renegotiating all government contracts with every foreign corporation providing any service. To believe that Hussein signed contracts that were in the best interests of anyone other than Hussein himself (how do you think he became a billionaire?) would be to exhibit a truly mind-boggling degree of naivete, don't you think?

From the point of view of accepted international contract law precedent, contracts signed by an ousted regime are null and void, as the Russians are well aware --see the ABM treaty for just one example. Note that this is not the case of contracts signed between two private companies, one of whom is located in a country which has just undergone a regime change. It applies strictly to contracts where the ousted regime was a signatory.

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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Phred]
    #1415881 - 03/28/03 10:04 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

How is it reasonable to assume that Russia and France's motives in foriegn policies are slaves to the oil interests of those nations, but not the United States, whose vice president has his dick tied around Big Oil?



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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1415897 - 03/28/03 10:37 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Senor_Doobie writes:

How is it reasonable to assume that Russia and France's motives in foriegn policies are slaves to the oil interests of those nations, but not the United States, whose vice president has his dick tied around Big Oil?

1) Russia and France possess signed agreements. The US does not.

2) Russia and France are far more dependent on Gulf oil than the US.

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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Phred]
    #1415902 - 03/28/03 10:45 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Come on Pinky...Even you should be able to admit after all this that oil is at the very least playing a factor in this war with Iraq.


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    #1415907 - 03/28/03 10:54 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

>1) Russia and France possess signed agreements. The US does not.



http://websearch.cnn.com/search/search?sites=cnn&source=cnn&invocationType=side%2Fbottom&sites=google&query=haliburton+"post-war"+iraq+contracts

Strangely all the pages regarding Haliburton seem to be down...but you can see part of what they used to say in the search results.

Basically they say Chaney has signed contracts to put out the fires that the US claim Iraq started.

Just like post-war Kuwait.


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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1415914 - 03/28/03 11:11 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Wait, I found a story that I can still click on. This is from that CNN search query and it smells a little.

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March 20, 2003
Reauthorization of Defense procurement bill delayed

By Margo MacFarland, CongressDaily



Just hours before a U.S.-led invasion of Iraq began Wednesday, Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters of California raised questions about whether top Bush administration officials had conflicts of interest in calling on U.S. companies to rebuild post-war Iraq.


Waters questioned the propriety of including Kellog Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Haliburton Co.?the company that Vice President Cheney once led in a list of companies being invited to bid on Iraq reconstruction projects.


"It really doesn't look good for the vice president of the United States ... to be able to increase the contracts" under the authority of the Defense Production Act, Waters told a House Financial Services subcommittee during the panel's scheduled markup of the act's reauthorization (H.R. 1280). The markup was recessed before the panel could complete work on the measure.


The DPA, which became law during the Korean War and is reauthorized periodically, gives the president authority to cut through procurement red tape to assure swift delivery of equipment, supplies and services to troops. Administration officials testifying at a hearing preceding the markup denied that the law could be used to increase the size of contracts. Rather, they said, the act provides authority to accelerate delivery of goods and services on existing agreements.


Saying there were "rampant rumors" and "suspicions" about conflicts of interest on the part of top administration officials, Waters offered an amendment that would bar companies whose former executives now serve as senior administration officials from participating for at least four years in contracts to which the act applies.


Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y, the chairman of the Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade and Technology, admonished Waters for raising questions about the administration's rebuilding plan. "I think it's really irresponsible on the eve of the war to be (doing) this and implying something" about possible conflicts of interest, he said.


Waters replied that it is "irresponsible to wave the flag of war" in the face of potential conflicts of interest that could involve billions of dollars.


Kellogg Brown and Root is one of several U.S. companies that have been asked by the government to bid on rebuilding projects in Iraq. Others include Bechtel Group, Parson Corporation and Washington Group International. The Wall Street Journal, citing administration sources who had seen confidential plans for rebuilding Iraq, reported Monday that $1.5 billion was being offered to the companies, with only $50 million being made available to non-profit organizations.


Rep. Carolyn Maloney of New York, the subcommittee's ranking Democrat, expressed concern about the Waters amendment, saying that it would bar defense giant Lockheed-Martin from providing "needed defense supplies" because Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage had once served on the company's board. "As drafted, the amendment could do unintended harm," Maloney said.


But Maloney added that she does not want the act to be applied to contracts for rebuilding Iraq. "The rebuilding is not an emergency and in my opinion the DPA should not be used," Maloney told administration witnesses at the hearing.


Suzanne Patrick, the Defense Department's deputy under secretary for industrial policy, told Maloney the department did not plan to use the act for rebuilding projects, but other federal agencies, such as the Agency for International Development could apply the law's authority to reconstruction contracts for Iraq.


The Waters amendment was defeated 4 to 12.


Waters' amendment shook up a markup that had been expected to be routine. On the table was King's manager's amendment, which he said would make technical changes to the law and reauthorize it for four years instead of the five requested by the administration. Democrats wanted a reauthorization for four years instead of five so that Congress can reassess the legislation sooner.


The authorization for the DPA does not expire until the end of this fiscal year. But lawmakers are moving to reauthorize the law because they do not want to risk a repeat of the 1990-1991 Gulf War, when the authorization expired in the middle of the conflict

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Re: Russia says to defend post-war Iraq oil interests [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1415981 - 03/28/03 02:31 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

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It really shouldn't be too much of a problem, we aren't interested in the oil fields, so I'm sure we'll honor Russia's contracts.





Of course there will be no problems. After all, Mr. Bush said that our military is there to 'liberate the Iraqi people' and 'rid the world of a Tyrant with weapons of mass destruction'. This is not a war about oil!!!!  :wink:
   


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