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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: StonedShroom]
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StonedShroom said:
millzy said:
if i were in a highly successful band i would have people drawn and quartered on stage for taking pictures at my shows.


why?

I'm sure someone's crappy blurry pic taken with their phone isn't worth anything but sentimental value to that person.


i was being facetious. i think the no camera policy is really dumb. photo and video permissions in addition to open recording help promote a healthy (and happy) fan base. two highly successful bands i can think of off the top of my head who allow this sort of thing are medeski, martin & wood and ween. nothing beats being at a live show and like you said, pictures and videos are really more for sentimental value than anything. live recording is a little different, but still i wish more bands did this. personally, as an artist i'd want to let the world know what my shows are about and offer my music to people who can't be there for whatever reason. from what i've seen that generosity reciprocates in spades. but at the same time it's their band and they can do whatever they want. obviously tool isn't hurting for more fans.


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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: Tesla]
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Fuck, that was all badchad, I just pasted your name in on accident.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
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Tesla said:
You sound like someone who watched a Matlock episode and thinks with the mental acuity of a 14 year old.

Excessive force applies to both parties in this case after non compliance with profanity and the fact that the OP was under the influence of LSD he was not in a legal state of mind to make such a judgment call nor could he argue that in a court of law.

In addition to that the OP refused to comply with concrete rules and did so by using profanity. Although the security guard should and may lose his job over such a situation stabbing him would only serve as attempted murder due to the altercation being initially provoked.

The first thing their going to do is a drug test. After which they will ask what instigated the confrontation. With the fact that the situation was started due to non compliance with venue rules the fact that you claim the person could stab a security guard in an authority position and plea self defense is honestly a testament to how ignorant you are of the legal system.

Self defense pleas are extremely complex and must be handled in a delicate manner. Once an illegal drug is found within the blood stream it makes it almost impossible to argue a self defense plea ESPECIALLY if the person being stabbed is in a security position on private property.

This guys going to be lucky to lose his job under such a situation and your arguing that he could legally stab a security guard on LSD at a stadium...

Go learn the acute details of Self Defense laws and how they apply to private property before spouting off clearly retarded off the hip guess worked bullshit.


That.



ChiefThunderbong said:
You sir, are out of your fucking mind if you think you can stab a security guard and claim self defense.

Here in internet land that guy can act tough and say he should have beat that guards ass. And here in internet land you can claim self defense all day.
But once you log off and step into the real world....no, just no.


And that.

Give it up Poid. Quit while you still have what little dignity remains.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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You need to read the rest of the thread--he was assaulted after he complied with the orders to stop taking pictures. He was attacked by surprise from behind, any judge that wouldn't see this (him stabbing the security guard) as a genuine case of self-defense is a fucking retard.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
The guard should have told his boss what happened, he obviously did what he did for personal reasons.


Way to assume lots about someone you know not shit about.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Yeah, we already went over that--again, you should read the rest of the thread:

Poid said:
badchad said:
Sounds like you're assuming a lot about a security officer you know nothing about.

No, I can tell because not only did he not need to do this, it isn't in his job description to do so.



Tesla said:
His job is to stop photo's and take care of individuals causing trouble.

Yeah, not to kick non-violent offenders' asses.



Tesla said:
I'd say he did it for professional reasons.

Considering the fact that what he did was extremely unprofessional, what makes you think this?



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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
The guard should have told his boss what happened, he obviously did what he did for personal reasons.


Poid said:
You need to read the rest of the thread--he was assaulted after he complied with the orders to stop taking pictures. He was attacked by surprise from behind, any judge that wouldn't see this (him stabbing the security guard) as a genuine case of self-defense is a fucking retard.


And now that the OP has altered his story.....


Way to assume lots about someone you know not shit about.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Yeah, we already went over that--again, you should read the rest of the thread:


I already did.

Way to assume lots about someone you know not shit about.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Poid said:
The guard should have told his boss what happened, he obviously did what he did for personal reasons.


Poid said:
You need to read the rest of the thread--he was assaulted after he complied with the orders to stop taking pictures. He was attacked by surprise from behind, any judge that wouldn't see this (him stabbing the security guard) as a genuine case of self-defense is a fucking retard.


And now that the OP has altered his story.....


Way to assume lots about someone you know not shit about.


I guess you got me there, but is it not better to initially give people the benefit of the doubt than to just assume that they're complete peices of shit? :awesomenod:



luvdemshrooms said:
Poid said:
Yeah, we already went over that--again, you should read the rest of the thread:


I already did.

Way to assume lots about someone you know not shit about.

I know a few things about you. :stoned:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: Poid] * 1
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Poid said:
I guess you got me there,


I get you every time. Why should this time be any different?

Or more accurately, sometimes (like now) you get yourself, saving me the trouble. Thanks.



Quote:
but is it not better to initially give people the benefit of the doubt? :yesnod:


Not always.



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I know a few things about you


I don't need to hear about your fantasies.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

Edited by luvdemshrooms (06/26/10 02:18 PM)

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
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gngsteroflove said:
I'm still not sure about which part of "NO PICTURES" the RP didn't understand.
:shrug:

And the whole part about where he is told to put the camera away and tells the guy to fuck off.......

I'd choke the asshat too.

Fuck him. He had it coming.

Can he do whatever the fuck he wants because he's cool or what?

He should have had his punk ass beaten to a pulp as far as I can tell.

It's cocky little fuckers that think that they are deserving and don't have to listen to anyone that make the word a little shittier.


I usually enjoy your posts, but come the fuck on man.

If you can't see how overblown and ridiculous the actions of the security guard were, then I don't know what to tell you...

It was a fucking cell phone picture. Half the people there were most likely doing the same damn thing. And if some meathead security guard really finds it to be that big of a deal, then there are 5,000 other ways to handle this situation that didn't require being a enormous douchebag.

Plain and simple, that was assault. If at all possible, I would 100% try to get that worthless tool fired.

@adrug: what's wrong with tripping at the sprint center during a concert...? I'm really not following.


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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: wildchild68]
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honestly, at the risk of being flamed i'd consider posting a thread on the band's forum about it explaining exactly what happened. you'll get flack for not following the rules but i seriously doubt any member of tool would want their fans handled in this way at one of their shows. you might stand a very slim chance of it getting around to one of the members and them rectifying it in some way. i know that if i were in a band i'd wanna know about this sort of stuff.

protip: i'd leave out the fact that you were high on lsd at the time.


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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: wildchild68]
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Well it's not as if it was some mystery that they didn't want photos taken, I imagine it was announced and likely posted. Other people ignoring the rules doesn't make it right to ignore the rules. The rules being silly doesn't make it right to ignore the rules.

The OP is an  for taking the picture. He was politely asked to delete it by security and ignored it. At that point they had the right to throw him out. He claims they went about it in an unacceptably aggressive manner. It's possible they asked him to come with them and perceived his walking away as an attempt at escape. We just don't know.


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Wildflower seed on the sand and stone, may the four winds blow you safely home
Curriculum vapidum (dry herb vapes)

Edited by Prisoner#1 (06/26/10 06:44 PM)

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: NizzyJones]
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NizzyJones said:
The OP is an idiot for taking the picture. He was politely asked to delete it by security and ignored it.

Well according to what he's saying now, he put away his phone right when he was asked to. :shrug:



NizzyJones said:
We just don't know.

:thumbup:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: Poid]
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when did i say i didnt put my phone away? when did i change my story?


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"The soul has greater need of the ideal than of the real. It is by the real that we exist, it is by the ideal that we live."

If you want to get a hold of me, my email address is in my profile. Just click on my screen name. I got banned from using private messages cause I didn't follow the rules... :frown:

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: NizzyJones]
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NizzyJones said:
Well it's not as if it was some mystery that they didn't want photos taken, I imagine it was announced and likely posted. Other people ignoring the rules doesn't make it right to ignore the rules. The rules being silly doesn't make it right to ignore the rules.

The OP is an idiot for taking the picture. He was politely asked to delete it by security and ignored it. At that point they had the right to throw him out. He claims they went about it in an unacceptably aggressive manner. It's possible they asked him to come with them and perceived his walking away as an attempt at escape. We just don't know.


wtf are you reading dude? you obviously didnt read a fuckin thing i wrote.

it was not announced about the cameras. i walked in the venue and went to my seat.

i took a picture, a guard came and told me in a dickish manner to put it away. he did NOT "politely" ask me to "delete" the picture. he came over and was a total dick to me, so i was a dick back and did the air jerk and nut bust toward him when he was walking away. i put my phone IN my pocket, THEN i get grabbed by the neck by a different security guard. hard. he was taking all his fuckin anger out on me. all i did was take a picture then COMPLIED with the guard cause i didnt want to get kicked out. everyone else was taking pictures, so i figured it wasnt THAT big of a deal.


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"The soul has greater need of the ideal than of the real. It is by the real that we exist, it is by the ideal that we live."

If you want to get a hold of me, my email address is in my profile. Just click on my screen name. I got banned from using private messages cause I didn't follow the rules... :frown:

Edited by Prisoner#1 (06/26/10 06:42 PM)

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: daiy]
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daiy said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
You can thank Tool for having the no camera policy.


regardless, taking a picture is hardly grounds for grabbing and choking somebody.
security dude sounds like a raging douche, i'm sure he would have found another reason to fuck with people half his size if the camera policy was different.


Yep, the band is well aware of how much force it takes to enforce such a greedy policy. When you go to some corporate cock rock event it is reasonable to be treated like an idiot by an idiot.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Fuck you to the security guards at the KC tool show tonight [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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Hah that sucks OP.  Good luck trying to get him fired.  :thumbup:

There is very very little chance of stabbing the guy in retaliation being a good idea. 

1.  I'm pretty sure bringing a knife in would be against the rules.

2.  It could be argued that the OP antagonized the staff, and it all escalated from there.

3.  Before he finished stabbing the guy, he would have been beaten to a pulp by the other security.

4.  Stabbing is a big step up from choking, using hands etc.  It is usually taken very very seriously, OP was on probation = jail time (probably even for
a minor flesh wound, any sort of stabbing)


HAHAHA!  I've enjoyed your bickering though.  :borat:  (tools)


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"He said, 'Where am I, Cathy?'"
"And why did that upset you?"
"My name is Susan."

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