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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: dna? [Re: Sclorch]
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I find "feedback" to be an insufficient answer to our existence.

My electric guitar produces feedback if I turn it up too loud. :smirk:

So you are saying that you can find other evidences of language coming from other sources other than intelligence?

Plaese enlighten me.

As for my response to Steve:

Whatever made you think that? :wink:  :grin: :laugh:

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Re: dna? [Re: Sclorch]
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Quote:
Things happen


c'mon sclorch.

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Re: dna? [Re: ]
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MM: I find "feedback" to be an insufficient answer to our existence.

I didn't say it was the only card in my hand.

MM: So you are saying that you can find other evidences of language coming from other sources other than intelligence?

You know, there are those that argue for creation based on reasoning like this: "something as complex as DNA can't just APPEAR...blahblahblah"
I don't think those who agree with evolution would state that DNA DOES just appear. That would be ridiculous... it's far to complex to just "happen."

However, the BZ reaction is a perfect example of chemicals creating order on a macro scale. Maybe it all started like that. Ten thousand years went by and BAM!! a lipid membrane was formed. Another ten thousand years go by and BAM!! amino acids are formed.... and BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM.... Maybe it took a few hundred million years before something even close to RNA was formed. I don't think this is an improbable explanation.


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Re: dna? [Re: ]
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I like fiddle-faddle.  Not in this context, of course.

Didn't Fiddle-Faddle used to be a snack food of some kind?
Kinda like Cracker Jacks?

Anyone?

heehee

:cool: 


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Re: dna? [Re: the_Landotter]
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yup.


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Edited by Sclorch (01/30/03 08:17 AM)

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Re: dna? [Re: the_Landotter]
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Good Heavens man!

We are trying to have a serious pseudo-intellectual discussion and YOU interrupt with snack food?!?!?  :confused:  :crazy:

Ok, give me the box.  I need a sugar high! :laugh:

Edited by Mr_Mushrooms (01/30/03 08:16 AM)

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Re: dna? [Re: Sclorch]
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Damn!

Though the image did not load for me, I see that I was correct.

And I thought I'd dreamed it!


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Re: dna? [Re: ]
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Quote:
We are trying to have a serious pseudo-intellectual discussion and YOU interrupt with snack food?!?!?


I'm hungry, guy! My energy fields are super-low after so much battlin' already today! If you wanna finish me off, boys, nows the time ...

I'll probably just log off and go home, though.

Natch!


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Re: dna? [Re: the_Landotter]
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Ah... the shroomery code has been changed.... hehehe

The pic should load now.


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Re: dna? [Re: Sclorch]
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Ah "maybe" "maybe" "maybe" horseshit.

Maybe after a while little purple monkeys will come shooting out of my ass.

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
:tongue:
:blush:

I have other cards to play as well. :wink:

Here, in the meantime, have some of LO's fiddle-faddle.  It's really quite good you know. :smile:

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Re: dna? [Re: Sclorch]
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from jeremy narby's ' the cosmic serpent'

'in all living species, proteins are made up of exactly the same 20 amino acids,which are small molecules. the average protein is a long chain made up of approximately 200 amino acids, chosen from that 20, and strung together in the right order.
according to the laws of combinatorials, there is 1 chance in 20 multiplied by itself 200 times for a single specific protein to emerge fortuitously.
this figure, which can be written 10 to the power 260, is enormously greater than the number of atoms in the observable universe (estimated at 10 to the power 80)"

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Re: dna? [Re: mr crisper]
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That "proof" means nothing.

Imagine you were in BFE and you saw a particular license plate on a car. The "odds" were about the same as the odds you just gave. Did it mean there was some "Divine Plan" for you to see that particular license plate?

Do you see what I mean?

That sounds frightenly like Dumbski and his "proof" which is nonsense as well.

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Re: dna? [Re: mr crisper]
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McKenna felt ANYTHING WE CAN DREAM UP can be programmed and turned into reality with DNA. It is indeed the programming-language of nature :smile:


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In addition: SHPONGLE

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Re: dna? [Re: ]
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so desu! odds are odds and the greater  the odds doesnt  mean the stronger the proof.
i just get off on big numbers :grin:
for me it comes down to linguistics, languages don't just happen.
which implies not only created but a purpose.....oops sorry 

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Re: dna? [Re: mr crisper]
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Nothing to be sorry about Mr Crisper!

You are on, er I mean, up to, something big. :smile:

And no, those "proofs" do not mean much, imv.

Cheers

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Re: dna? [Re: ]
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DNA code is a code and whether we like it or not the process of induction leads us inexorably to the conclusion that we are created and that there was a Creator.

I believe that this speaks more to our frame of reference, rather than any deep truth. As we are finite creatures with a beginning and an end, we really cannot conceive of something being non-created.

To confuse our perspective with ultimate reality, seems naive at best and at worst, major conclusion-jumping.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: dna? [Re: Swami]
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To confuse our perspective with ultimate reality, seems naive at best and at worst, major conclusion-jumping.



I agree! :smile: 


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Re: dna? [Re: ]
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Human DNA has been altered in the past


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Re: dna? [Re: Swami]
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I believe that this speaks more to our frame of reference, rather than any deep truth.

All we have is our frame of reference to discern anything.  What else would one use?  Philosophical Idealism kant help you here. :smirk:

As we are finite creatures with a beginning and an end, we really cannot conceive of something being non-created.

I'll be sure to inform all the people that believe in an eternal God that you said so.  It seems that they, who would inhabit most of this planet, disagree with you.  Perhaps your Swamiesque talents can lead us all to the "ultimate truth".

To confuse our perspective with ultimate reality, seems naive at best and at worst, major conclusion-jumping.

Ahh so you deduce we are living in my cave?  Sorry, that argument was shot full of holes this past century.  Perhaps you hadn't heard.

Kettle:  What did you say, Pot?   

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Re: dna? [Re: ]
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All we have is our frame of reference to discern anything. What else would one use? Philosophical Idealism kant help you here.
A fishes frame of reference is water as that is all it knows. Yet we know there is much more to the world than that. ALL frames of reference are highly limited to our form, environment and experience.

I'll be sure to inform all the people that believe in an eternal God that you said so.
Belief and understanding are two separate issues. Nice commingling though.

Perhaps your Swamiesque talents can lead us all to the "ultimate truth".
Sarcasm not necessary as I made no such claim. Please reread the "Be nice" policy as it applies to all.





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