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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
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Mastermind729 said:
I popped one of her buspar's earlier


anyone taking an anti-anxiety medication like buspar (btw, let me just say  :scat: what a crappy crappy pharmy) probably isn't in the right state of mind to be embarking on such an potentially anxiety causing triptimine.

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Doc_T]
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Both of em doc?  The middle looks pretty moist but I guess it couldn't hurt huh?  Will the dunk damage the pins?  Thx!!

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
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You're right SenorGrande, she's on Welbutrin (sp?) too but she wanted to at least give it a try since we have some lying around.  I tried what I thought was a light dose... that was the last push for her to decide that she won't be doing drugs recreationally any more.  I agree that maybe tripping just isn't for her.


Whats interesting also is that she has trouble fully relaxing sometimes and the day after the trip she admitted that she was the most relaxed she'd been in a very long time.

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
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oh man, welbutrin and buspar? Forgive me if i'm shooting blindly here, but unless she's been through a war, or spent 10 years of her life in a basement being raped by a 400lb man in a chicken suit, there is no need for that kind of medication. I'm not a doctor, and yes, it's just my opinion, but we live in an age of "here take this and shutup honey" kinds of parents and doctors. you should tell her to seek a second and third opinion, and to possibly even try to ween herself off them slowly. if she does that, it will probably take weeks of feeling worse before she feels better, so she will have to stick it out and see the long term results. sometimes a little exercise and life adjustment is all it takes for you to turn that frown upside down :laugh:

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: SenorGrande]
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Yeah my buddy was taking depression medication and stopped for a short time and said he felt withdrawls, i told him my views on all the modern pharmesueticals and he chose to stop taking them. It took like 2 months before he started to feel "normal". He stopped smoking and drinking and said it made a world of a difference he said.

Depression, sometimes, is just a state of mind more than a "sickness".

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: SenorGrande]
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She actually just started her meds, but she has taken at least one of those in the past and it helped.  They're each for a different symptom.  I'm not sure you're knowledge on the subject and I'm by no means considered an expert, but I have a background in psychology. 

Different strokes for different folks right?  Sometimes things like a change in diet and exercise or a positive attitude can be enough, but many times anxiety and depression can be a disease just as much as diabetes or cancer.  By that I mean that every persons brain chemistry is different and an inbalance can cause a lot of problems. Parkinson's and schizophrenia are more severe forms of an imbalance on some ways. I'm going to end up prescribing medication in my private practice in the long run, but I also believe that medications are over prescribed for some things.  However, that doesn't mean that medication can't be at least part of a valid solution for some people.

With that said, I don't believe that either of those meds are too powerful really, and I'm pretty sure that both are non narcotic at least.  Could be wrong but I think Welbutrin is just a but of a mood stabilizer and buspar is probably really mild next to other more powerful anxiety meds on the market.  Just my opinion though.

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
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Oh and not to take away but from the discussion but I still need some further advice on whether to dunk those two bricks if someone could give another opinion so I can get started on that tonight.

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
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Ok, I'm reading that dunking with pins can kill them off.  So either I should mist really heavily or maybe I'm misting too much.  Damn.

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
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Mastermind729 said:
Could be wrong but I think Welbutrin is just a but of a mood stabilizer and buspar is probably really mild next to other more powerful anxiety meds on the market.



having taken both of those recreationally as a teen, i can assure you that they are most definitley narcotic. especially buspars. buspar's are like xanex meets sleeping pills mixed with a little of "don'tfeelfeelingsanymore"

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: SenorGrande]
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No offense or anything but I don't think either of those are classified as narcotic.  Either in the classical definition (an opiate derivitive) or what the definition has been watered down to mean today (a scheduled, illegal drug).  I may be wrong but I've never been able to find any evidence of that.  As far as addictive properties of it, I don't think either have any propensity for being physically addicting. As with many other meds in the same class you can become mentally addicted to them in so much as you can become afraid that you can't function without them.  She's strong though so I'm not worried about that.

But you did say that you used them recreationally.  I believe that if you need a medication and are using it at a proper dosage, then it won't be recreational. If it is then you're doctor put you on the wrong med. It's supposed to get you to a state of normalcy which can be hard for some people to understand if they take the same medication themselves, have different effects from it, and find it fun.

Personally, I don't need meds but I can understand that some people might until their brain can sustain proper functioning without it.  A lot of times that takes a proper combination of therapy and medication.  With something like anxiety therapy becomes a kind of coaching lesson where the patient learns effective skills and techniques to deal with their anxiety.  Sounds dumb but many people have no idea how to do that on their own.

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
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BTW, when my gf takes Buspar the only thing that happens to her is that her anxiety and tension are lessened.  Shes does sometimes get a side effect or two occassionally such as a bit of dizziness.

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
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You say you only dunked for 3 or 4 hours?


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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
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well i just learned something new: the actual definition of "narcotic"

"narkos" "to sleep"

i just mean they have a "drugging effect" i suppose. i've been diagnosed as both bi-polar and manic depressive and could easily be prescribed  both of those in large amounts if i wanted. instead i just eat healthy, work out, and make healthy life choices to counteract these "conditions" i've been labeled with.

I couldn't be happier.

different strokes right? some people can't manage without a pill, some can. my respect for both of them, because in the end, we are just people trying to make the best with what we have been given.

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: SenorGrande]
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True that.

Some people with bi-polar II can end up disappearing for days, or jumping out of a moving car while on manic episodes ya know?  Heh, those people need the lithium.  There's so many different degrees to which a person can have a disorder.

I'm definitely not happy with how much emphasis is just put on medication management as the end all of help that a person can receive.  You don't reach out for help because something works for you and that's great dude. The people that seek medical help haven't found that and that's why I'm entering this profession, to help. 

And yeah that reference to narkos has to do with the sleep like stupor from opiates I believe.  I'm not sure where I read it, but I think the medical use of narcotic started with the the opiates also.

And btw, if you're bi-polar, those medications would have only helped to treat the symptoms and not the big picture.  Only the anti seizure meds would do that in those that need it.

Lol, I don't mean to rant, I just think there could be a little more understanding when people consider others who take medication.  A lot of negative stigma there.  Kinda of like "I'm not a certain way, so there's no way that someone else could be that way".  Some people need insulin, some with pituitary problems use pills to correct their growth in childhood, and some need a little help from an SSRI, etc to level their mood.  Different strokes eh?

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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
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And Nexus, I was just gonna do 3-4, it's still dunking.  Should I do more?  I've got 1 brick, and a monotub dunking, both just coir and verm.  I don't want them to turn to mud.

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