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Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? **Update w/ Pics 1-28**
#11862355 - 01/19/10 08:55 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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So I've had bunches of problems and to be honest I was turned off from this hobby since I hadn't had a single mushroom grow. I neglected my grows over the holidays and delayed from fruiting due to lack of caring. Well I just opened up some of my shoe box containers that didn't look a full white like some of my others. Lo and behold but I have some little mushrooms and a couple of bigger ones popping up.
Lol so my question is, can I turn a large monotub (45 gallon) into a sgfc? I guess I could cover up the big holes with gorilla tape and drill the 1/4" ones around it. Would that work? It's a little last minute since I need to throw those suckers into something tomorrow morning to help em out.
Edited by Mastermind729 (01/28/10 07:08 PM)
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11862371 - 01/19/10 08:57 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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yea sure you can
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Sounds like it would work fine. don't forget to drill bottom holes too!
By the way, shotgun style monotubs work well for me also, so you can probably still use it as a monotub in the future when you inevitably go bulk!
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11862951 - 01/19/10 10:28 PM (14 years, 11 days ago) |
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Isn't that about the size of these?

If it is, they make really good PMP's:


That was a shabby MS strain. Better genes equal better results 
Anyhow, I've gotten such great results from PMPs. I now grow in mini greenhouses, but, they give equivalent results. So, I highly recommend them.
Can you make a sgfc from your 45 gallon monotub? Sure. But, you could just as easily make it into a luxurious Poor Man's Pod (hell, maybe even easier), and then your FAE is automated, and you only need to mist your casings once a day, or so.
If you use a sgfc, around where I come from, you won't be getting high enough gas exchange. Or, if you do, they'll be too dry, and your abortion rate'll go up.
Rig in an ultrasonic humidifier to your PMP, on a timer, and now you don't need to mist either. 
Hope that helps,
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: faceyneck]
#11865777 - 01/20/10 01:15 PM (14 years, 10 days ago) |
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Heh those bricks of yours looks to be exactly what I'm using. This is the tub I have:

The picture makes it look not as long as it really is.
So yeah it's similar to yours although I think mine might be deeper. In fact I was thinking of making a little pvc rack eventually for it so that I can have a second story of bricks and pipe a cool mist into it. Maybe.
And I looked but I didn't see plans for a sg mono. Is it just a regular mono design with the sg holes?
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11885753 - 01/23/10 03:53 PM (14 years, 7 days ago) |
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Hey guys, thanks for the advice. My sgfc is operational and they're flourishing. It's not amazing as of yet, but it's enough for a few friends and I to walk Bourbon Street after the 5 Finger Death Punch concert next week Thx!
Questions:
1). I'm not sure when to harvest these things because they were initially pressed up against the plastic container malforming them a little. So the caps might not open. I'm gonna post pics of them tonight for advice.
2). Since the first flush is coming after less than optimal fruiting conditions (neglect), is there a chance of a second flush being more normal? I've heard of other flushes in mono's being present in the initial pinset. So, in other words, can the brick pin again after picking?
3). I have a mono that was also neglected. It isn't contammed but that bastard looks mighty parched. Could I try and dunk it now to rehydrate before putting into fruiting conditions even though it hasn't had a first flush? I'm not sure if there's a typical trend of failure or not in this circumstance.
Thanks guys!
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11887754 - 01/23/10 09:25 PM (14 years, 7 days ago) |
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Pictures of the progress of my bricks.
Middle Brick

Whole Chamber

Right Brick Side B

Right Brick Side A

Left Brick
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11887856 - 01/23/10 09:42 PM (14 years, 7 days ago) |
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Quote:
Mastermind729 said: Pictures of the progress of my bricks.
Middle Brick

Whole Chamber

Right Brick Side B

Right Brick Side A

Left Brick

There is no reason not to take those shroomies hehe. Theyll be fine, dont judge them just because theyre ugly!!
As for your monotub, mycelium is pretty resilient. If theres no contams then I cant see how dunking it and trying to fruit it could hurt anything, infact, it should be successful.
Hope this helps.
EDIT: How did your monotub fail though? The idea behind them is just leave it alone and collect your fruits at harvest time. If its drying out that means your holes are too big, try stuffing more polyfill in them or taping up some holes.
Edited by Kysmoker (01/23/10 09:43 PM)
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11887912 - 01/23/10 09:51 PM (14 years, 7 days ago) |
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Those are some monster shrooms! What do you use for substrate? Any plans on cloning that biggun?
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mikeallojee]
#11888079 - 01/23/10 10:27 PM (14 years, 7 days ago) |
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Aww shucks, thx Coir and verm, 1.5 - 2 quarts verm per brick I believe. I had run out of gypsum for that batch. And I do plan on cloning, but I need to research it a bit more. I need to figure out if taking a section by stabbing it with needle and making a LC out of it is truly cloning or not.
Funny thing is, I'm a total noob since I've been fighting bacterial problems that were totally shutting me down until recently. I didn't realize that those boxes were fully colonized because they didn't look white, so I was taking the trays down to throw them out when I noticed the mushrooms pushing against the plastic.
Lol I have no idea if it's realistic but I hope to get 20-25 grams dried off of those by next weekend.
I'm so excited... my first mushies!!
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11888093 - 01/23/10 10:29 PM (14 years, 7 days ago) |
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Oh! and it was WBS.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Kysmoker]
#11888178 - 01/23/10 10:48 PM (14 years, 7 days ago) |
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Ah, the problem was the fact that my polyfil was too loose. I'm still getting the hang of that actually. I stopped putting all of my containers in trash bags to colonize. I've looked up info on bacteria and from what I understand some love fresh air and some love co2, and I guess the kind that's hanging around here love the co2 because I'd have the nasty bacterial smell after only a day in a trash bag. So I just stuffed the holes for colonization but did it too loose when I should've just taped them. I also didn't have a lid on with a window for light yet. That and it sat in colonizing conditions for 3 weeks 
I'm probably gonna dunk it tomorrow to rehydrate. Any suggestions on how long?
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11890682 - 01/24/10 11:35 AM (14 years, 6 days ago) |
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Updates as of a few minutes ago.




Man that big one must be bigger than I think because of how large it looks next to that 2 inch hole.
So, is there any way to pick the big one and leave the rest of the cluster, or should I give it time and let the spores drop while the rest of the cluster grows?
Edited by Mastermind729 (01/24/10 11:37 AM)
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11890747 - 01/24/10 11:51 AM (14 years, 6 days ago) |
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no i would pick it b4 they drop
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The whole cluster or should I exacto off the bigger one?
Lol that sounds dumb but I'm trying to let the small ones grow out
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11895158 - 01/24/10 10:36 PM (14 years, 6 days ago) |
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Ahh my first picked shroom. This one opened and wasn't in a cluster. Yum!

Hmm, any answer on the cluster question is appreciated also. I need to do something with them tomorrow.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11895294 - 01/24/10 10:56 PM (14 years, 6 days ago) |
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I would make the attempt to pick it without disturbing the rest of the cluster... Do it by very gently rotating the stem without really pulling on it. It might just dislodge itself cleanly.
Worst case is you accidentally pull a few neighbors, but then leave some behind to mature.
In a pinch you can also cut it out with a sharp knife, but I try to avoid that.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: gornyhuy]
#11896069 - 01/25/10 01:37 AM (14 years, 6 days ago) |
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Ah thx. Are there certain possible problems that could pop up if I end up trying to use an exacto to surgically remove it?
Oh and what's the best way to tell when my misshapen ones are ready since the caps won't open?
Edited by Mastermind729 (01/25/10 01:39 AM)
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11899344 - 01/25/10 04:17 PM (14 years, 5 days ago) |
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Thanks again gornyhuy, I went ahead and picked some more this afternoon.
Total wet weight = 304.4 grams. With more to go.
The monster

and my current tray full.
Edited by Mastermind729 (01/25/10 04:19 PM)
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11908076 - 01/26/10 08:45 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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My current wet weight = 568.4 grams. Here's some more pictures.
The remainder on the right brick.

My middle brick is starting to pin quite nicely.

And the fatty on the left brick.

And for those of you who care enough to read my post. I have 3 prints (my first) that I have ready. Who wants em? Post if you do, and then we can do everything via encrypted messaging. I'll a few more tomorrow to give away. And btw, I'm not sure which strain they are, either AC or Tx.
Oh, and can someone tell me if it is advisable to dunk that right brick? I have a couple of mushrooms I'm picking tomorrow so that would leave a few pins on it when I dunk. How long?
thanx!
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11908112 - 01/26/10 08:50 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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always up for prints :P
Edited by biologys (01/26/10 08:51 PM)
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: biologys]
#11908212 - 01/26/10 09:04 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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PM'd 
And just to throw this out there, I've been looking for any edibles if anyone who gets a print feels kind enough to part with any LC or anything. Not expected at all though.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11908303 - 01/26/10 09:16 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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it wont let me read, saying my passphrase is invalid >:o
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: biologys]
#11908416 - 01/26/10 09:29 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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No problem, I responded to your message.
So that's 1 print down and 2 to go.
Edited by Mastermind729 (01/26/10 09:30 PM)
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11908519 - 01/26/10 09:42 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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I'll take a print if you're up for it. No problems trading a print of pink oysters if these things ever get off the ground.
BTW, glad you're finally having some success with the grow! GJ
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: jrizzle385]
#11908569 - 01/26/10 09:47 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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Those look great! Congrats on the grow.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: valleyboy]
#11908953 - 01/26/10 10:41 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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yeah thx guys! I had immediate catastrophic failure due to bacteria at least 12-15 times in a row before these. Tubs of all shapes ans sizes. I found out they needed a bit of fresh air even in consolidation.
I'll be sending you a pm shortly jrizzle385!
Lol my gf just dared me to eat some of the dried ones so we each crumbled up about 1.5-1.7 grams dried onto some toast and ate it God I love the dehydrator and coffee grinder she got me for christmas so I put em to use.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11909029 - 01/26/10 10:53 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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Mastermind729 said: Thanks again gornyhuy, I went ahead and picked some more this afternoon.
Total wet weight = 304.4 grams. With more to go.
The monster

and my current tray full.

Thats one big shroom!
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: nexus1946]
#11909065 - 01/26/10 10:59 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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Thanks I have another biggun still growing. Muhuhahah!
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11909199 - 01/26/10 11:19 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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BTW Nexus it was your big ass mushroom that I kept thinking of when mine was growing. That thing is awesome 
Lol trying to surf the shroomery while we're both giggling is hard I must preservere.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11909217 - 01/26/10 11:23 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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Only 1 print left out of these btw.
And J.... we're tempted to drunk dial ya or whatever the shroom equivalent is Call me when read this in the morning
Shew I wasn't prepared for the nausea. Can't leave for the store... anyone know any good home remedies?
Edited by Mastermind729 (01/26/10 11:25 PM)
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11909236 - 01/26/10 11:26 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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The caps are pretty comparable in size. 
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: nexus1946]
#11909282 - 01/26/10 11:36 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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Nice man. I like looking at others and their grows because I need to learn a lot for my grow. Do u have any prints left or am I too late lol Ill take 1 if its possible. Anyway good luck on your future grows this one looked really good.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: nexus1946]
#11909745 - 01/27/10 02:37 AM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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Yeah looks like you might have the last one Jburnt. I'll PM you tomorrow.
Right now I'm freaking struggling to remain in control of myself and conscious. My gf freaked out a bit and went through a really bad emotional spell of crying etc for like 2 hours straight. I've tripped a whole bunch in the past few years and it took all that I knew and more to keep her together. I guess that drained me and honestly I don't know if I've ever been this effed up before. Ever. A lot of negative energy was built up I guess.
Christ man I thought I was gonna be that guy. You know, the one that you hear about on the news that went running through his neighborhood naked at 3 in the morning and passed out on someones lawn.
I just dunno if it was all that emotional heaviness or the fact that these things are potent as hell.
I never, ever thought that I'd be so afraid of losing control, like passing out and coming to and not being in the drivers seat. The next time I trip I'm going to make tea that I can sip on gradually and the gf doesn't get any. I popped one of her buspar's earlier, dunno if it helped.
Lol it's not as serious as this message conveys, really. I've been working on this message for an hour and I'm feeling myself start to come down. Freaking sigh of relief.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11909751 - 01/27/10 02:41 AM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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And btw nexus, the caps may be comparable but yours was pretty huge at the base.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11915051 - 01/27/10 09:54 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Mastermind729 said: Yeah looks like you might have the last one Jburnt. I'll PM you tomorrow.
Right now I'm freaking struggling to remain in control of myself and conscious. My gf freaked out a bit and went through a really bad emotional spell of crying etc for like 2 hours straight. I've tripped a whole bunch in the past few years and it took all that I knew and more to keep her together. I guess that drained me and honestly I don't know if I've ever been this effed up before. Ever. A lot of negative energy was built up I guess.
Christ man I thought I was gonna be that guy. You know, the one that you hear about on the news that went running through his neighborhood naked at 3 in the morning and passed out on someones lawn.
I just dunno if it was all that emotional heaviness or the fact that these things are potent as hell.
I never, ever thought that I'd be so afraid of losing control, like passing out and coming to and not being in the drivers seat. The next time I trip I'm going to make tea that I can sip on gradually and the gf doesn't get any. I popped one of her buspar's earlier, dunno if it helped.
Lol it's not as serious as this message conveys, really. I've been working on this message for an hour and I'm feeling myself start to come down. Freaking sigh of relief.
K thanks man. Looks like you did a nice job. I hope my SGFC can give me some similar results.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: JBurnt]
#11915430 - 01/27/10 10:57 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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If you've still got a print i could really use one. Let me know man it'd be appreciated.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Phanodude]
#11915821 - 01/28/10 12:25 AM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Sure dude, just pm me your addy.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11920078 - 01/28/10 07:07 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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Ok, nevermind on that print then, I didn't get a pm.
My final wet weight for the first flush on that right brick was 638.3 grams. Right now I have it dunking for like 3-4 hours.
Could someone please take a look at the picture below. Any idea if the huge pins on the middle brick look like they're aborting? If so, how do I stop it?
And for the left brick they don't seem to be growing either. Does it look too dry? If so should I dunk and can I keep the mushies on there when I do?

If you guys need better pics just ask.
Edited by Mastermind729 (01/28/10 07:08 PM)
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11920089 - 01/28/10 07:09 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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I'd dunk them.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11920108 - 01/28/10 07:13 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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Mastermind729 said: I popped one of her buspar's earlier
anyone taking an anti-anxiety medication like buspar (btw, let me just say what a crappy crappy pharmy) probably isn't in the right state of mind to be embarking on such an potentially anxiety causing triptimine.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Doc_T]
#11920109 - 01/28/10 07:13 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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Both of em doc? The middle looks pretty moist but I guess it couldn't hurt huh? Will the dunk damage the pins? Thx!!
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11920131 - 01/28/10 07:17 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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You're right SenorGrande, she's on Welbutrin (sp?) too but she wanted to at least give it a try since we have some lying around. I tried what I thought was a light dose... that was the last push for her to decide that she won't be doing drugs recreationally any more. I agree that maybe tripping just isn't for her.
Whats interesting also is that she has trouble fully relaxing sometimes and the day after the trip she admitted that she was the most relaxed she'd been in a very long time.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11920151 - 01/28/10 07:23 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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oh man, welbutrin and buspar? Forgive me if i'm shooting blindly here, but unless she's been through a war, or spent 10 years of her life in a basement being raped by a 400lb man in a chicken suit, there is no need for that kind of medication. I'm not a doctor, and yes, it's just my opinion, but we live in an age of "here take this and shutup honey" kinds of parents and doctors. you should tell her to seek a second and third opinion, and to possibly even try to ween herself off them slowly. if she does that, it will probably take weeks of feeling worse before she feels better, so she will have to stick it out and see the long term results. sometimes a little exercise and life adjustment is all it takes for you to turn that frown upside down
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: SenorGrande]
#11920199 - 01/28/10 07:32 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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Yeah my buddy was taking depression medication and stopped for a short time and said he felt withdrawls, i told him my views on all the modern pharmesueticals and he chose to stop taking them. It took like 2 months before he started to feel "normal". He stopped smoking and drinking and said it made a world of a difference he said.
Depression, sometimes, is just a state of mind more than a "sickness".
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: SenorGrande]
#11920242 - 01/28/10 07:38 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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She actually just started her meds, but she has taken at least one of those in the past and it helped. They're each for a different symptom. I'm not sure you're knowledge on the subject and I'm by no means considered an expert, but I have a background in psychology.
Different strokes for different folks right? Sometimes things like a change in diet and exercise or a positive attitude can be enough, but many times anxiety and depression can be a disease just as much as diabetes or cancer. By that I mean that every persons brain chemistry is different and an inbalance can cause a lot of problems. Parkinson's and schizophrenia are more severe forms of an imbalance on some ways. I'm going to end up prescribing medication in my private practice in the long run, but I also believe that medications are over prescribed for some things. However, that doesn't mean that medication can't be at least part of a valid solution for some people.
With that said, I don't believe that either of those meds are too powerful really, and I'm pretty sure that both are non narcotic at least. Could be wrong but I think Welbutrin is just a but of a mood stabilizer and buspar is probably really mild next to other more powerful anxiety meds on the market. Just my opinion though.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11920276 - 01/28/10 07:44 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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Oh and not to take away but from the discussion but I still need some further advice on whether to dunk those two bricks if someone could give another opinion so I can get started on that tonight.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11920305 - 01/28/10 07:49 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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Ok, I'm reading that dunking with pins can kill them off. So either I should mist really heavily or maybe I'm misting too much. Damn.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11920321 - 01/28/10 07:52 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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Quote:
Mastermind729 said: Could be wrong but I think Welbutrin is just a but of a mood stabilizer and buspar is probably really mild next to other more powerful anxiety meds on the market.
having taken both of those recreationally as a teen, i can assure you that they are most definitley narcotic. especially buspars. buspar's are like xanex meets sleeping pills mixed with a little of "don'tfeelfeelingsanymore"
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: SenorGrande]
#11920591 - 01/28/10 08:29 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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No offense or anything but I don't think either of those are classified as narcotic. Either in the classical definition (an opiate derivitive) or what the definition has been watered down to mean today (a scheduled, illegal drug). I may be wrong but I've never been able to find any evidence of that. As far as addictive properties of it, I don't think either have any propensity for being physically addicting. As with many other meds in the same class you can become mentally addicted to them in so much as you can become afraid that you can't function without them. She's strong though so I'm not worried about that.
But you did say that you used them recreationally. I believe that if you need a medication and are using it at a proper dosage, then it won't be recreational. If it is then you're doctor put you on the wrong med. It's supposed to get you to a state of normalcy which can be hard for some people to understand if they take the same medication themselves, have different effects from it, and find it fun.
Personally, I don't need meds but I can understand that some people might until their brain can sustain proper functioning without it. A lot of times that takes a proper combination of therapy and medication. With something like anxiety therapy becomes a kind of coaching lesson where the patient learns effective skills and techniques to deal with their anxiety. Sounds dumb but many people have no idea how to do that on their own.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11920603 - 01/28/10 08:30 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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BTW, when my gf takes Buspar the only thing that happens to her is that her anxiety and tension are lessened. Shes does sometimes get a side effect or two occassionally such as a bit of dizziness.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11920786 - 01/28/10 09:07 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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You say you only dunked for 3 or 4 hours?
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11920801 - 01/28/10 09:11 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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well i just learned something new: the actual definition of "narcotic"
"narkos" "to sleep"
i just mean they have a "drugging effect" i suppose. i've been diagnosed as both bi-polar and manic depressive and could easily be prescribed both of those in large amounts if i wanted. instead i just eat healthy, work out, and make healthy life choices to counteract these "conditions" i've been labeled with.
I couldn't be happier.
different strokes right? some people can't manage without a pill, some can. my respect for both of them, because in the end, we are just people trying to make the best with what we have been given.
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: SenorGrande]
#11920981 - 01/28/10 09:44 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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True that.
Some people with bi-polar II can end up disappearing for days, or jumping out of a moving car while on manic episodes ya know? Heh, those people need the lithium. There's so many different degrees to which a person can have a disorder.
I'm definitely not happy with how much emphasis is just put on medication management as the end all of help that a person can receive. You don't reach out for help because something works for you and that's great dude. The people that seek medical help haven't found that and that's why I'm entering this profession, to help.
And yeah that reference to narkos has to do with the sleep like stupor from opiates I believe. I'm not sure where I read it, but I think the medical use of narcotic started with the the opiates also.
And btw, if you're bi-polar, those medications would have only helped to treat the symptoms and not the big picture. Only the anti seizure meds would do that in those that need it.
Lol, I don't mean to rant, I just think there could be a little more understanding when people consider others who take medication. A lot of negative stigma there. Kinda of like "I'm not a certain way, so there's no way that someone else could be that way". Some people need insulin, some with pituitary problems use pills to correct their growth in childhood, and some need a little help from an SSRI, etc to level their mood. Different strokes eh?
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Re: Can I turn my monotub into a SGFC? [Re: Mastermind729]
#11920986 - 01/28/10 09:45 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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And Nexus, I was just gonna do 3-4, it's still dunking. Should I do more? I've got 1 brick, and a monotub dunking, both just coir and verm. I don't want them to turn to mud.
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