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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: loarun1]
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"How can you know for sure that your in love? "

I'm not, and I would argue no one does.  What is love?  I don't know what love is.  I do have "feelings" I call love though.

"If you have ever had the joy of being in such a state you are aware that the only explanation of this state is "well you just know"."

Yes, but without the explanation.

"Similarly your spiritual experience could be drastically different from my own but I still consider both to be spiritual if we consider the experience to be such."

Or "spiritual" is just a label.

Edited by xFrockx (01/17/10 12:55 PM)

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: xFrockx]
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"Its like one thing happens after another."

Well first you found some evidence and then you made a conclusion based around that evidence.  Sounds like a casual inference to me good sir.

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: loarun1]
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Sounds like you're assuming things and you still don't know what a causal inference is. :shrug:

If I say I got sick, and it was caused by me being out in the cold, that's a causal inference.  Saying its caused by a germ would be another.  Or saying it was caused by stress would be another.

Edited by xFrockx (01/17/10 12:58 PM)

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: loarun1]
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""Similarly your spiritual experience could be drastically different from my own but I still consider both to be spiritual if we consider the experience to be such."

Or "spiritual" is just a labe""

Yes spiritual is an adjective that can be used in the English language to describe or "label" a noun in this case, experience.

Edited by loarun1 (01/17/10 01:00 PM)

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: loarun1]
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So does the "spiritual" exist, or is just existence that exists, and parts of it you deem "spiritual"?

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: xFrockx]
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You made your point and posed it as a question. I fail to see how your post addresses any of the points I was trying to make about subjectivity and personal experience. The problem with internet arguments is inevitably both parties will be arguing with a brick wall which can unfortunately not understand human language. 

And I already said that spirituality does not exists except for as a concept created by the human mind to describe or "label" in this case, an experience.

Edited by loarun1 (01/17/10 01:16 PM)

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: loarun1]
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double post 

Edited by loarun1 (01/17/10 01:15 PM)

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: loarun1]
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"points I was trying to make about subjectivity and personal experience."

Which were?

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: xFrockx]
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That the classification of people presented in your OP is wrong because the people who you claim to be caught in a frame work of ideas can have experiences outside of their so called framework.  Making your assumption of duality incomplete.

Edited by loarun1 (01/17/10 01:40 PM)

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: loarun1]
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That's a good point. Even someone very attached to their idea framework will inevitably encounter experiences in their lives which their ideas do not completely account for.
In that sense, living in a world of ideas is impossible.


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Weedmaster P knows the truth.

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: xFrockx]
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“Prove it.” 

You want proof that humans think? :lol:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: loarun1]
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Not if I've defined those who live in images as even those people who occasionally meet with things outside their framework.  To those who do not live in images at all.

We're just arguing over language, people are nothing.

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: TheBalance]
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TheBalance said:
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Other people, do not.


They must not think at all.
They have accepted that everything has been explained sufficiently.
Their motivation to contemplate even 'status quo' explanations is non-existent.
They lack confidence in their ability to create.
They choose to consume and adopt others content instead of create their own.
They would rather be entertained because those ideas seem satisfactory and engaging.  Perhaps more stimulating...
Their scope is one of conformity.
Their stance is passivity.
They know not what they do.
They do...?  Not.

*sharks in the water below*


You just described my entire family lol. They are all hard headed
christians and I am a free thinking atheist. We do not get along.


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OM MADNE PADME OBIWAN LUKE HUM....

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Re: Thinkers can be divided into two kinds [Re: billycorgan55]
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I'm a semi free thinking agnostic.:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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