RogerRabbit said:

No, they just sue to give guns to convicted violent criminals.

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zappaisgod said:

Do you have any evidence that the NRA "sues to give guns to convicted violent criminals" or are you just blowing it out your ass?  How can you tie them to white supremacists?  Any evidence at all of the NRA advocating white supremacy or gun ownership by convicted felons?  I don't give two shits if you give them money.  I don't either.  But I don't spout lies about them or ACORN.  Unlike you.

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Brasco said:

carbonhoots said:

when a house sits empty and there are people without homes it means there is something wrong with the system

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Yeah, it's called people being losers, not paying their bills, and making dumb decisions.  Let's just give them free stuff!  There's no better way to encourage personal responsibility!  Viva socialism!

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RogerRabbit said:

As for the NRA, they do more to turn the average joe who VOTES against guns, then to actually support our rights. What a load of crap. Perhaps if you took the time to read what they actually say, rather than what the media and the Brady bunch claim they say, you be a wiser person.

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No, I don't think the NRA deliberately tries to put guns in the hands of criminals. Then you shouldn't have said it, for it is clearly not true.

"No, they just sue to give guns to convicted violent criminals.  The NRA is a fund raising organization devoted to the republican party and other right wing/white supremacist groups, and ACORN takes the other side." In case you forgot what you said.Still waiting for you to back up any of the claims in those sentences. Perhaps before you try you should be aware that the NRA sends out suggestions to its members showing recommendations based on the candidates voting records.... not political affiliation.

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However, by fighting background checks, that's the inevitable result, like it or not. Care to back that up? I've only seen them object to how the checks are done and for how the Fed's retain the data. Educate me if you can. Show where the NRA has come out in favor of eliminating background checks.

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Nor do I think the leaders of ACORN deliberately try to commit voter fraud.  Wow.

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People really need to find common ground rather than calling anyone who disagrees 'stupid'.  I apologize for responding in kind above. I didn't call you stupid. I said your statement was stupid. It clearly is.

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There aren't many lobbies that draw the level of both devotion and vitriol the NRA attracts. But the NRA has more than mere status in the nation's capital; it has a mystique. It has been credited - or blamed, depending on one's politics - for the Republican sweep of the House of Representatives in 1994, putting the GOP in control of the House for the first time in 40 years.

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The late Representative Mike Synar, Democrat of Oklahoma, was among the NRA's targets who were defeated in 1994, observers note. ''They really just went after him,'' said Larry Makinson of the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington-based campaign-finance watchdog group.

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At a recent training seminar in Melbourne, eager members of the NRA rank and file were given their marching orders: Man the phones and pound the pavement to help out the campaign of Representative Dave Weldon, Republican of Florida.

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RogerRabbit said:

What this has to do with ACORN is beyond me. 

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I made the point above that IF the NRA got caught double registering voters or taking back foreclosed houses, the republicans wouldn't wink.

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  I wasn't making the accusation.

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RogerRabbit said:

I tried to find one single place where the NRA ever campaigned against a Republican in favor of a Democrat, regardless of their respective stands on gun freedom, but was unable.  Perhaps you guys can and thus prove me mistaken. Googled for NRA endorsed Democrats. Guess you didn't try very hard.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/05/22/national/main44724.shtml Ah. The long since debunked gun show loophole. You do realize that sales at a gun show are subject to the same laws as other gun sales? No? Huh.

http://www.citizen.org/congress/campaign/issues/paycheck/articles.cfm?ID=5299 The finance law is an unconstitutional joke. Why should they support it? You have heard of freedom of speech? Or do you truly believe it should be freedom of speech "sometimes"?

And, in the link below,

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There aren't many lobbies that draw the level of both devotion and vitriol the NRA attracts. But the NRA has more than mere status in the nation's capital; it has a mystique. It has been credited - or blamed, depending on one's politics - for the Republican sweep of the House of Representatives in 1994, putting the GOP in control of the House for the first time in 40 years.

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So what?

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The late Representative Mike Synar, Democrat of Oklahoma, was among the NRA's targets who were defeated in 1994, observers note. ''They really just went after him,'' said Larry Makinson of the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington-based campaign-finance watchdog group.

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I repeat..... so what? If he was deemed unfriendly to gun owners he needed to be defeated.

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At a recent training seminar in Melbourne, eager members of the NRA rank and file were given their marching orders: Man the phones and pound the pavement to help out the campaign of Representative Dave Weldon, Republican of Florida.

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You leaving me speechless. Isn't that what interest groups are supposed to do? If you read an article where Acorn leaders wanted their people to "man the phones and pound the pavement", would you see a problem with that as well?

Google returned over 50,000 hits like these, but I realize you guys already have your minds made up.  If you're interested, you can do your own searches. It appears I have but am not prone to believing crap.


My point above about the NRA is that I support the right to keep and bear arms 100%, but don't feel the NRA is the best support group, because of their affiliation with the radical Christian right-wing and the Republican party, regardless of their views on protecting our constitutional rights. That's your right, but at least be informed about what you say.

What this has to do with ACORN is beyond me.  I made the point above that IF the NRA got caught double registering voters or taking back foreclosed houses, the republicans wouldn't wink. In your opinion.

Partners can always get more done by working together, than infighting with like minds.
The ends justify the means?.

RogerRabbit said:

If only those horrible criminals at ACORN hadn't registered so many voters named Mickey Mouse, Obama wouldn't have won the election by a landslide! 

Apparently you've never voted.  Where I vote, there's poll watchers from both major parties, and if there's a third party candidate, they have a representative there too.  Together, they check voter cards against the printed database, and cross off my name when I vote.  I wonder what they'd think if I showed up with a voter ID card that said Mickey Mouse.
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A year into his tenure, a majority of Americans would already vote against Pres. Obama if the '12 elections were held today, according to a new survey.

The Allstate/National Journal Heartland Monitor poll shows 50% say they would probably or definitely vote for someone else. Fully 37% say they would definitely cast a ballot against Obama. Meanwhile, just 39% would vote to re-elect the pres. to a 2nd term, and only 23% say they definitely would do so.

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zappaisgod said:

Do they have voter ID cards?  What state? 

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RogerRabbit said:

  Where I vote, there's poll watchers from both major parties, and if there's a third party candidate, they have a representative there too.  Together, they check voter cards against the printed database

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