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 So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video 
#5637118 - 05/16/06 11:42 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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and put that theory to bed, everyone can focus their efforts on proving the Twin Towers was brought down.
At least until some self proclaimed expert, er I mean patriot, analyzes the video and uncovers evidence of tampering.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/16/060516170846.xsxvy62c.html
US to release video of September 11 attack on Pentagon
May 16 1:08 PM US/Eastern
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The US government has agreed to release video film Tuesday showing a hijacked jetliner strike the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.
Taken by surveillance cameras in the Pentagon parking lot, the images have been the subject of lawsuits prompted in part by conspiracy theories surrounding the attack.
The Justice Department, which had blocked their release, agreed to turn over the video clips now that the trial of Al Qaeda plotter Zacarias Moussaoui has ended, a Pentagon spokesman, Bryan Whitman, said.
Whitman said the images appear to be the same as a series of still pictures previously seen on US television.
"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a group that sued for the release of the video.
"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77," he said in a statement.
The group said it would post a copy of the video on its website, www.judicialwatch.org.
The Pentagon admitted having the video last year, but said it could not release the film because it was part of its investigation into Moussaoui, Judicial Watch said.
Moussaoui was sentenced to life in prison this month over the September 11 attacks conspiracy.
Flight 77 slammed into the Pentagon at 9:37 am on September 11, killing 189 people in the jet and on the ground.
During the Moussaoui trial, prosecutors showed pictures of burning bodies amd human remains as well as images of the explosion triggered by the Pentagon crash.
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: HagbardCeline]
#5638257 - 05/16/06 04:23 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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uhhh... I didn't see a airplane In that video. All I saw was a white pointed object, then the explosion. This video proves nothing but only brings up more speculation. Why only release one video? there were 10+ that were pointed in that direction. Until I see all other videos and at least ONE of them shows the WHOLE plane In greater detail than that video clip I will still doubt the story. But when I see that clip that shows the whole plane then, and only then will I be able to believe them.
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: HagbardCeline]
#5638288 - 05/16/06 04:31 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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that video shows less than the ones already released on the internet.....
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: HagbardCeline]
#5638360 - 05/16/06 04:49 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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There was plenty of eyewitness accounts anyways. I can see why a video would help, but I don't see why it's necessary.
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: HagbardCeline]
#5638445 - 05/16/06 05:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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You know what? I've always dismissed the whole missile theory, but after seeing that video, I have to say that it does look suspiciously like a missile. Certainly smaller than a jetliner. Holy shit!
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: Redstorm]
#5638468 - 05/16/06 05:12 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok its well known that Eyewitness accounts are not reliable, I am not saying they are wrong its just there were very different story's that the eyewitnesses said.
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/178240.pdf
First of all, people will recall the "incident" and forget key elements of the story due to their memory replaying what happened.
Second, the story has to remain somewhat the same for it to be true. Most of the accounts of what people said they saw that day were widely different (saw a small plane, a missile, a huge plane, a passenger jet)
Third, A persons mood will effect the way they remember things. If some one is in complete terror or shock they cant seem to remember what they were doing before the "incident" only key elements of what happened.
***So In all VIDEO is the BEST way to determine what ACTUALLY happened , because it just so happens to capture the event in a un-altered form . So I would see that its necessary to provide video even if the SLIGHTEST amount of doubt is present.
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: Redstorm]
#5638497 - 05/16/06 05:21 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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It was released by request under the freedom of information act, not because the pentagon was trying to appease the conspiracy theorists.
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: Slooch]
#5638511 - 05/16/06 05:24 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok its well known that Eyewitness accounts are not reliable...
... which is why it's a good thing eyewitness accounts are not necessary in order to determine what hit the Pentagon. The aircraft parts, luggage, personal effects and bodies of the crew and passengers are the dead giveaway.
Phred
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: Phred]
#5638596 - 05/16/06 05:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Barbara Olsen was one famous passenger on board the airplane that hit the Pentagon. She was in transit to a taping of Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher in Los Angeles at the time. I saw her on CNN for years ALL the time up until 9-11. But I guess the government has kept her hidden away all these years huh? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Olsen
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: zorbman]
#5638651 - 05/16/06 06:04 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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actualy phred, there wasn't much aircraft to be found. But what was found was a part of an engine that didn't even belong to the supposed plane that did crash.
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: Phred]
#5638658 - 05/16/06 06:07 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I still think that a plane hit the Pentagon. But, that video looks weird as hell. How did that plane come in so low and flat?
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: Silversoul]
#5638671 - 05/16/06 06:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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You know, after watching the second video, I have to say that it looks like it could be a plane, but it doesn't look nearly big enough to be a 757. More like a private jet. I'm not going to say for sure that it isn't one, but it sure has me wondering about it.
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: Silversoul]
#5638672 - 05/16/06 06:09 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Man...does that look fucking weird! I'm going to watch it again and look at it in slow-mo.
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
#5638799 - 05/16/06 06:34 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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actualy phred, there wasn't much aircraft to be found.
Actually, Davie, there was plenty of aircraft to be found. But as is the case in all high speed impacts, most of those pieces were pretty small. Engine parts, landing gear parts, and wheels and tires as well as some seats were the largest parts found.
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But what was found was a part of an engine that didn't even belong to the supposed plane that did crash.
You really don't have a clue, do you? The engine parts found were definitely those of Flight 77's engines. Even a cursory look at the photos of the wreckage confirms that. http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
Read it and weep.
Same with the tires, wheels, and landing gear parts found -- http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
Read it and weep some more.
Add to this the many, MANY reports of rescue workers describing oxygen bottles labeled with the AA logo, the parts on the lawn in very clear American Airlines livery, personal effects and luggage of crew and passengers, and body parts.
And of course the fact that the remains of all crew and passengers have been positively identified by DNA analysis.
You may be new to all these facts (and yes, they ARE facts) but the veterans of this forum have been well aware of them for years now. This is why we don't all jump up and down in excitement every time the moonbats who produced the "Loose Change" farce release Version 2 and why we'll be even less excited when they release Version 3.
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: Phred]
#5638822 - 05/16/06 06:39 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some of the veterans on this forum are whackjobs.
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: HagbardCeline]
#5638920 - 05/16/06 06:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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My god. This missile thing, maybe the worst conspiracy theory ever, just won't die. I don't see 100 posts a day on Tom Cruise's new baby being an alien.
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: Silversoul]
#5638985 - 05/16/06 07:15 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
You know, after watching the second video, I have to say that it looks like it could be a plane, but it doesn't look nearly big enough to be a 757. More like a private jet. I'm not going to say for sure that it isn't one, but it sure has me wondering about it.
I don't understand how a plane of that size could pierce through so many rings of the pentagon or even how it flew that close to the ground before hand, especially with the skill level of the suposed hijackers.
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Edited by bellylard (05/16/06 07:17 PM)
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: barfightlard]
#5639279 - 05/16/06 08:23 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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phred, what we are proposing is another side of the story that you have heard. You seem to only show your "facts" from your one side and you never give on any issue.
first you say
"Actually, Davie, there was plenty of aircraft to be found. But as is the case in all high speed impacts, most of those pieces were pretty small. Engine parts, landing gear parts, and wheels and tires as well as some seats were the largest parts found."
If the rest of the plane was destroyed or blown into small pieces then how are we finding DNA evidence in an explosion that should have had temperatures high enough to melt steel (as was said in the story of the other two buildings). Also what is your story about the government saying they have DNA evidence of the terrorists from the crash and now it has come out that these supposed dead terrorists are still alive? There are alot of contradicting facts here.
And your comment about everything being FACTS! is just straight BS. All of your quotes on this website are from leutenants or higher-ups working in the Pentagon. Some of there quotes are rediculous.
"Navy Lt. Commander David Tarantino described the A-E Drive punchout hole: "They found an area where fire surrounded a hole in a wall that was blown out. They heard cries from people who were trapped and saw a plane tire." Ya we know, it wasn't a missle. Most planes have tires
The pictures show a clear hole with a radius of about 5 feet. A commercial airline whose nose is made of light weight materials, how isthis supose to make a clear cut hole through 3 steel reinforced brick walls?
By the way, this is a terrible website to be argueing with. People are always arguing that the "left-wing loonies" always quote liberal websites and such but the site you just quoted is made by an amature.
Good try Phredrick
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
#5639529 - 05/16/06 09:14 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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phred, what we are proposing is another side of the story that you have heard.
I've heard both sides of the story. I have no interest in stories, just in facts. The facts are against you, so you ignore them. This is standard operating procedure for the tinfoil hat brigade.
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You seem to only show your "facts" from your one side ...
That's because there are no facts on your side. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. All you have is speculation and "facts" which turn out to be bullshit -- i.e. your claim the engine pieces found were not those of a Boeing 757.
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...and you never give on any issue.
"Damn that Phred! He insists on confusing me with facts!"
Of course I won't give on an issue where all the facts are in my corner, duh! Why on earth should I? Would you? Nope. Hell, you won't give an inch even when all the facts are stacked against you. I leave it to the readers of the thread to decide which of us is being foolish.
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If the rest of the plane was destroyed or blown into small pieces then how are we finding DNA evidence in an explosion that should have had temperatures high enough to melt steel (as was said in the story of the other two buildings).
You have very obviously never read even one NTSC report on plane crashes, have you? There were body parts recovered even from the WTC, and positive identification has been done on hundreds of those. In the Pentagon there were body parts lying around in plain view -- they were not buried under thousands of tons of rubble. The fact that you seem to believe that every single body in the Pentagon crash should have been vaporized is as great a source of amusement to the rational readers of this thread as it is to me, I'm sure.
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Also what is your story about the government saying they have DNA evidence of the terrorists from the crash and now it has come out that these supposed dead terrorists are still alive?
Which terrorists might those be? Never occurred to you that they might be using stolen identification? The terrorists that hijacked the four planes are all dead, regardless of what names they bought their tickets under.
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There are alot of contradicting facts here.
No there are not. There are facts and there are theories. Too bad for you the facts contradict your theory.
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All of your quotes on this website are from leutenants or higher-ups working in the Pentagon.
Your point being? It may very well be that there is no one other than US military quoted on the two links I gave, but there are other sites with observations of civilian emergency workers. There's no shortage of sites listing them. You'd do well to check out some sites not run by moonbats for a change.
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The pictures show a clear hole with a radius of about 5 feet. A commercial airline whose nose is made of light weight materials, how isthis supose to make a clear cut hole through 3 steel reinforced brick walls?
There is no point discussing this with someone who appears to lack the knowledge grade school science classes teach. Feel free to believe the plane should have splattered against the outer wall like Wile E. Coyote in a roadrunner cartoon if it pleases you. Those who understand the laws of momentum and inertia know better.
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By the way, this is a terrible website to be argueing with. People are always arguing that the "left-wing loonies" always quote liberal websites and such but the site you just quoted is made by an amature.
I linked you to two sites. The one with the engine descriptions is clearly not done by an "amateur". The other one is nothing more than a collection of statements by rescue workers (who were actually THERE rather than glued to a computer screen watching "Loose Change" and crooning, "far out, man") and photos taken by the same. Are there or are there not pieces of landing gear in those photos? Are there or are there not identifiable engine parts in those photos?
You tinfoil beanie babies are all alike. Whenever you are confronted with actual FACTS, your unvarying response is to clamp your hands over your ears, squeeze your eyes tightly shut, and shriek at the top of your lungs, "IS NOT! IS NOT!"
I realize you have a disdain for facts... that's undoubtedly the reason you haven't bothered to search out any despite the fact it's been almost five years since the Pentagon was hit, and these facts have been out there for at least four of those years.
If it pleases you to base your opinions on whim and speculation that contradict evidence and fact, that is of course your right. Whatever floats your boat. No skin off my nose.
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Re: So now that the Justice Dept is going to release the Pentagon video [Re: Phred]
#5639547 - 05/16/06 09:18 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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