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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: PreparationH]
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PreparationH said:
do you happen to know that if I do join a branch of the military that I can keep my firearm after I get back?




none of them, it's government property and it will remain so until it's
sold to the police departments, after that, I'm sure they either mill the
receiver or do something else to prevent it from being used

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: PreparationH]
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At a indoor shooting range I went to in Las Vegas, you could pay to shoot a fully automatic weapon with a guy supervising you.

I shot a full auto Thompson SMG, and MP5. Very fun stuff.

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: PreparationH]
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I'm surprised to see so many people acting like they know what theyre talking about.

It is, especially in pro-gun states, absolutely LEGAL to own fully automatic weapons, silencers, armor piercing rounds, short barreled riftle, short barreled shotgun, etc. if you pay a $200 tax stamp. Some automatic weapons require a class 3 license to own, but are still easily obtainable with adequate resources.

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: Mchaggis]
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that guy does not have a class 3 for damn sure


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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: PreparationH]
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You don't have to be a Class 3 dealer if the gun was made before 86. THen you just need to fill a ATF form,a FBI background check, and have LOTS of money. Because the only guns available are pre 86 supply and demand has made full auto very expensive. For example a AK that  would cost $400 now costs 10k.

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: Solemente]
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Solemente said:
Big_Whoop said:
why can gun clubs and hillbillys flaunt theyre AKs all over the place then?



Not all AKs are full auto.



All AK's can be made full auto with relative ease. Tons of ease.


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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: buckwheat]
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buckwheat said:
You don't have to be a Class 3 dealer if the gun was made before 86. THen you just need to fill a ATF form,a FBI background check, and have LOTS of money. Because the only guns available are pre 86 supply and demand has made full auto very expensive. For example a AK that  would cost $400 now costs 10k.



pris just gave a link of a fully auto colt for $1200 though...

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: robbyberto]
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robbyberto said:
Solemente said:
Big_Whoop said:
why can gun clubs and hillbillys flaunt theyre AKs all over the place then?



Not all AKs are full auto.



All AK's can be made full auto with relative ease. Tons of ease.



..illegally sure

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: PreparationH]
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pay the tax. not illegal.

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: CaptainH13]
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CaptainH13 said:
my god. Read up about some guns.

"Full auto" Is a useless,wasteful method of fire. Prone to fucking up.

get an AK and bump fire it. You wont know the difference. You could also make a trigger wheel and get a nutty rate of fire. ( still easily fuck up the gun over time)


seriously. Do at least some extent of learning. When the shit hits the fan, one person with average training and marksmanship with even a bolt action rifle, will pop your auto fire,bullet wasting ass before you get through one mag.



Full auto's are very usefull, it's called suppression fire or waste every fucking one in sight fire. Your single shot dude wont be aiming, they will be trying not to get shot. Bump fire....:rofl2:


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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: Grizzdude]
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Once the zombie apocalypse comes you anti-gun sissies are gonna be jealous

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: Grizzdude]
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LOL

that dog in your signature is so funny!! victoria stiwell rocks

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: Flop Johnson]
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MoeRon said:
Once the zombie apocalypse comes you anti-gun sissies are gonna be jealous



that's right, jealous of the monster

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: buckwheat]
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buckwheat said:
You don't have to be a Class 3 dealer if the gun was made before 86. THen you just need to fill a ATF form,a FBI background check, and have LOTS of money. Because the only guns available are pre 86 supply and demand has made full auto very expensive. For example a AK that  would cost $400 now costs 10k.




nope, doesnt have to be manufactured before any certain date, the preban
arms just tend to cost more, since the ban expired a few years ago it's
inconsequential as the stuff made after the ban can be manufactured the
same way as the preban arms

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It is a common misconception[3] that an individual must have a "Class 3 License" in order to own NFA firearms. An NFA license is required for a Special Occupation Taxpayer (SOT): Class 1 importer, Class 2 manufacturer or Class 3 dealer in NFA firearms, not an individual owner. Legal possession of an NFA firearm by an individual requires transfer of registration within the NFA registry. An individual owner does not need a NFA dealer license to buy Title II firearms. The sale and purchase of NFA firearms is, however, heavily taxed and regulated, as follows:

The tax for privately manufacturing any NFA firearm (other than machineguns, which are generally illegal to manufacture) is $200. Transferring requires a $200 tax for all NFA firearms except AOW's, for which the transfer tax is $5 (although the manufacturing tax remains $200).

Transferable machine guns made or registered before May-19th 1986 are worth far more than their original, pre-1986 value. And items like registered “auto-sears,” “lightning-links,” trigger-packs, trunnions, and other “combination of parts” registered as machineguns before the aforementioned date are often worth nearly as much as a full registered machine gun. For instance, as of September 2008, a transferable M16 rifle costs approximately $11,000 to $18,000, while a transferable "lightning-link" for the AR-15 can sell for $8,000 to $10,000. New manufacture M-16s sell to law enforcement and the military for around $600 to $1000.



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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: Grizzdude]
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Grizzdude said:
CaptainH13 said:
my god. Read up about some guns.

"Full auto" Is a useless,wasteful method of fire. Prone to fucking up.

get an AK and bump fire it. You wont know the difference. You could also make a trigger wheel and get a nutty rate of fire. ( still easily fuck up the gun over time)


seriously. Do at least some extent of learning. When the shit hits the fan, one person with average training and marksmanship with even a bolt action rifle, will pop your auto fire,bullet wasting ass before you get through one mag.



Full auto's are very usefull, it's called suppression fire or waste every fucking one in sight fire. Your single shot dude wont be aiming, they will be trying not to get shot. Bump fire....:rofl2:




It will be awesome when you waste all your ammo trying to be rambo.


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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: PreparationH]
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PreparationH said:
buckwheat said:
You don't have to be a Class 3 dealer if the gun was made before 86. THen you just need to fill a ATF form,a FBI background check, and have LOTS of money. Because the only guns available are pre 86 supply and demand has made full auto very expensive. For example a AK that  would cost $400 now costs 10k.



pris just gave a link of a fully auto colt for $1200 though...



Not only does it have to be pre 86 i think it had to have been already in the registry before 86.

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: Grizzdude]
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Grizzdude said:
Full auto's are very usefull, it's called suppression fire or waste every fucking one in sight fire. Your single shot dude wont be aiming, they will be trying not to get shot. Bump fire....:rofl2:



Read about the first guy in this article

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: buckwheat]
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semi automatic can deal with any horde of zombies. especially if its 7.62. so ill stick with my legal ak...


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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: pmb]
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so wait a second, I'm now confused by what you just posted pris.  The site you sent, I can get a fully auto colt for 1200, but why is it saying "For instance, as of September 2008, a transferable M16 rifle costs approximately $11,000 to $18,000, while a transferable "lightning-link" for the AR-15 can sell for $8,000 to $10,000. New manufacture M-16s sell to law enforcement and the military for around $600 to $1000."

am I missing something?

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Re: Owning a fully auto assault rifle in america? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
buckwheat said:
You don't have to be a Class 3 dealer if the gun was made before 86. THen you just need to fill a ATF form,a FBI background check, and have LOTS of money. Because the only guns available are pre 86 supply and demand has made full auto very expensive. For example a AK that  would cost $400 now costs 10k.




nope, doesnt have to be manufactured before any certain date, the preban
arms just tend to cost more, since the ban expired a few years ago it's
inconsequential as the stuff made after the ban can be manufactured the
same way as the preban arms

Quote:
It is a common misconception[3] that an individual must have a "Class 3 License" in order to own NFA firearms. An NFA license is required for a Special Occupation Taxpayer (SOT): Class 1 importer, Class 2 manufacturer or Class 3 dealer in NFA firearms, not an individual owner. Legal possession of an NFA firearm by an individual requires transfer of registration within the NFA registry. An individual owner does not need a NFA dealer license to buy Title II firearms. The sale and purchase of NFA firearms is, however, heavily taxed and regulated, as follows:

The tax for privately manufacturing any NFA firearm (other than machineguns, which are generally illegal to manufacture) is $200. Transferring requires a $200 tax for all NFA firearms except AOW's, for which the transfer tax is $5 (although the manufacturing tax remains $200).

Transferable machine guns made or registered before May-19th 1986 are worth far more than their original, pre-1986 value. And items like registered �auto-sears,� �lightning-links,� trigger-packs, trunnions, and other �combination of parts� registered as machineguns before the aforementioned date are often worth nearly as much as a full registered machine gun. For instance, as of September 2008, a transferable M16 rifle costs approximately $11,000 to $18,000, while a transferable "lightning-link" for the AR-15 can sell for $8,000 to $10,000. New manufacture M-16s sell to law enforcement and the military for around $600 to $1000.





What you quoted opposes what you said and only confirms what i said?

There is no way possible legally for a non class 3 dealer to get  a Machine gun not registerd before 86

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