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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: Noteworthy]
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"One of our most important living philosophers, Dan Dennett is best known for his provocative and controversial arguments that human consciousness and free will are the result of physical processes in the brain. He argues that the brain's computational circuitry fools us into thinking we know more than we do, and that what we call consciousness — isn't." -from Ted.com Profile

You might be thinking "Even if that is true, it doesn't mean the consciousness is housed in the brain!" to which I would respond, why not? At the very least you should view it logically that a computer would hold the computer programs in/on it. And it certainly doesn't give any reason to think consciousness is some ethereal substance or some supernatural object. Perhaps the problem lies in trying to quantify or rationalize consciousness...; but if you have to, Dennett's argument(s) are certainly second to none.

Can it be proved? No, not beyond a shadow of a doubt. Is there much more evidence or reason to think this over other possibilities? Yes, much of which has taken many years for Dennett to fully express and would be a down right pain to gather up and post.

Really what it comes down to is whether you would take Dennetts word for it or not(or if you have time, read through and scrutinize part of his life's work), cause I fear I've already done a terrible job of conveying his view of it.


Also: Color is an interpretation of something that DOES indeed exist. Of the seemingly infinite number of wave lengths that exist, we only see one little snippet of the entire spectrum, and that snippet is interpreted in what we call color. In order for there to be an interpretation(in reference to color) there needs to be something physical to be interpreted, hence the different wave lengths for all applicable purposes do arguably have color(even if we never see this "true" color).

"'Let there be perception,' was evolution's proclamation, and so it was that all creatures, from honeybees to humans, came to see the world not as it is, but as it was most useful" -Beau Lotto


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: mozhual]
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you are tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much materialistic Mr.Science.


why you so stubborn!?!?!?
if your ears hearing sounds and your eyes seeing colors and your tongue is babbling words, why you so sure that everything coming out from the brain?
and if that's so...
when you thinking, from where your thoughts coming into your brain?

and don't give that science crap, just say it straight!
a. from ass
b. from penis
c. don't know

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: PsyAlien]
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It has nothing to do with being "sure".

There is no logical reason to think otherwise with the information we possess.

You can go ahead and believe what ever you want about the reality of things, its when you claim to be doing anything more then grasping at air that I take issue.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: mozhual]
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There is no logical reason to think otherwise with the information we possess.



And this is it. Nobody is claiming to know the truth as you said, but people need to believe in magic because IMO they can't see the amazing (although sometimes horrifying) shit right in front of them.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: TheBalance]
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TheBalance said:
Quote:
did someone said it's match?
how can it be rematch?
you trying hit when i'm not ready?
beware you weaselly fighter
my soul is bowl
and you are on the edge to fall.


Indeed its a strike anywhere.
Prepare for fifth grade foursquare.
Nightmare glare warfare.
Ready?  Steady.
No fighter just brighter.
Fell like Humpty's eggshell
Then back up the wall to ring the Liberty bell.
Elevator, ladder, or stairwell.


Dam boi its ur Lucky Strike
No strike back
Jinx on a Coke
This Ain't No Joke
Climb if You Will
Take The Pill
Make You Ill
God I hope ur name is Phil
Cause it would make this next line easier


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: mozhual]
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mozhual said:
"You have a soul, but it is made of billions of tiny robots" D.C. Dennetta world renown modern philosopher, in an interview with an Italian newspaper.


So the soul is made ut of tiny little robots, doesn't it need a master robot to control it? We only have one voice, so whos the master robot?

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: Diaboleros]
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Diaboleros said:
mozhual said:
"You have a soul, but it is made of billions of tiny robots" D.C. Dennetta world renown modern philosopher, in an interview with an Italian newspaper.


So the soul is made ut of tiny little robots, doesn't it need a master robot to control it? We only have one voice, so whos the master robot?


The Illuminati?


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: Diaboleros]
    #11207502 -

evolution:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: TheBalance]
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TheBalance said:
Quote:
yes it's fall and you are about to fall
into winter when it's cold y'all
your soul got flushed down
the toilet bowl


Down the toilet and through the pipes,
Up from the bottom and supported by stipes.:mushroom2:
The 'treatment facility' stinks.
The wanderer rethinks.



didn't you gone
was not too long
and you coming back
and that's the way you bring your luck

"The 'treatment facility' stinks."

is that a clue?
that you come back...
to take another treatment?
i see you bring a friend with you
are he aware?
this war is rare
don't you care?
he'll burn with you in hell...
good move!
bring more immolation,
cause they going to isolation
to speed up the domination
for pasteurization.

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: PsyAlien]
    #11207551 -

PsyAlien said:
TheBalance said:
Quote:
yes it's fall and you are about to fall
into winter when it's cold y'all
your soul got flushed down
the toilet bowl


Down the toilet and through the pipes,
Up from the bottom and supported by stipes.:mushroom2:
The 'treatment facility' stinks.
The wanderer rethinks.



didn't you gone
was not too long
and you coming back
and that's the way you bring your luck

"The 'treatment facility' stinks."

is that a clue?
that you come back...
to take another treatment?
i see you bring a friend with you
are he aware?
this war is rare
don't you care?
he'll burn with you in hell...
good move!
bring more immolation,
cause they going to isolation
to speed up the domination
for pasteurization.



my luck?  what the fuck!
what's luck chuck and talk about immolation and isolation
quit with the i words
you egotistical fuck (ok that one was easy)
you are homo genized iffen you know what i mean


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: Diaboleros]
    #11207572 -

Diaboleros said:
mozhual said:
"You have a soul, but it is made of billions of tiny robots" D.C. Dennetta world renown modern philosopher, in an interview with an Italian newspaper.


So the soul is made ut of tiny little robots, doesn't it need a master robot to control it? We only have one voice, so whos the master robot?


that was gooooooood!!!!!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: PsyAlien]
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I said it one and I'll say it again its an entelechy, so no it doesn't need a controller. It is a cohesive collective of individual facets of the human being.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #11207736 -

LunarEclipse said:
my luck?  what the fuck!
what's luck chuck and talk about immolation and isolation
quit with the i words
you egotistical fuck (ok that one was easy)
you are homo genized iffen you know what i mean




i didn't talked to you, you fool!
with opened eyes you'll kneel and say...
i'm sorry!
but wait!
don't worry!
from madness you should run but hurry
cause i'm behind you
last step and i gonna bite you.
just hear what words can do
then start imagine,
if i was in front of you.

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: PsyAlien]
    #11207875 -

PsyAlien said:
LunarEclipse said:
my luck?  what the fuck!
what's luck chuck and talk about immolation and isolation
quit with the i words
you egotistical fuck (ok that one was easy)
you are homo genized iffen you know what i mean




i didn't talked to you, you fool!
with opened eyes you'll kneel and say...
i'm sorry!
but wait!
don't worry!
from madness you should run but hurry
cause i'm behind you
last step and i gonna bite you.
just hear what words can do
then start imagine,
if i was in front of you.



right after you hear that thump the pain will kick in just accept it


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: LunarEclipse]
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LunarEclipse said:
right after you hear that thump the pain will kick in just accept it



accept!
but how you will attempt?
when you are wept.

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: mozhual]
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mozhual said:
There is no logical reason to think otherwise with the information we possess.





and who said logical is right?
logic, it's the brain acception by thinking when it can't go further anymore, that's the way you feel comfort and sure about your self, it's a perfect mechanism to prevent fight against your self, becouse of your thoughts...
so it's like this:
thoughts = opponent(enemy)
when you thinking = actual fight(war)
logic = victory(peace)
brain = battle field(your world)

but who said it's right?
peace bring war and war bring peace, war is peace and peace is war because when you in war you feel fear, that you will die that's what makes
you appreciate life and search for the peace, the real peace is in war between fighting, it's incredible feeling, but i know that you will not gonna be able to understand that, you have to feel it.

so it's like logic, logic can't be logical becouse it's logical, but logic can be not logical becouse it's not logical.

so why you follow logic? because it comfort you.
and their is  always reason, other people, other brains, other battle fields, other wars and you still always will search for that logic because you don't want to lose the war( lose your mind/go insane)
is their logical reason to think otherwise or not?

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: PsyAlien]
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You have no idea what logic means at all...
You have no idea what logic means at all...
You have no idea what logic means at all...

Who said logic was right? Um I don't know... maybe hundreds or even thousands of the greatest thinkers on earth. One of the fundamentals of argument is that you should strive to be logical. You can't argue with some one if you don't make any sense.
But hey, who am I to challenge you right? If you want to make this infinitely more complicated then it needs to be, go ahead... but don't expect a response because you make no sense at all.

By the way, this is nonsensical gibberish riddled with fallacies:
Quote:
and who said logical is right?
logic, it's the brain acception by thinking when it can't go further anymore, that's the way you feel comfort and sure about your self, it's a perfect mechanism to prevent fight against your self, becouse of your thoughts...
so it's like this:
thoughts = opponent(enemy)
when you thinking = actual fight(war)
logic = victory(peace)
brain = battle field(your world)

but who said it's right?
peace bring war and war bring peace, war is peace and peace is war because when you in war you feel fear, that you will die that's what makes
you appreciate life and search for the peace, the real peace is in war between fighting, it's incredible feeling, but i know that you will not gonna be able to understand that, you have to feel it.

so it's like logic, logic can't be logical becouse it's logical, but logic can be not logical becouse it's not logical.

so why you follow logic? because it comfort you.
and their is  always reason, other people, other brains, other battle fields, other wars and you still always will search for that logic because you don't want to lose the war( lose your mind/go insane)
is their logical reason to think otherwise or not?



--------------------
"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: PsyAlien]
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PsyAlien said:
mozhual said:
There is no logical reason to think otherwise with the information we possess.





and who said logical is right?
logic, it's the brain acception by thinking when it can't go further anymore, that's the way you feel comfort and sure about your self, it's a perfect mechanism to prevent fight against your self, becouse of your thoughts...
so it's like this:
thoughts = opponent(enemy)
when you thinking = actual fight(war)
logic = victory(peace)
brain = battle field(your world)

but who said it's right?
peace bring war and war bring peace, war is peace and peace is war because when you in war you feel fear, that you will die that's what makes
you appreciate life and search for the peace, the real peace is in war between fighting, it's incredible feeling, but i know that you will not gonna be able to understand that, you have to feel it.

so it's like logic, logic can't be logical becouse it's logical, but logic can be not logical becouse it's not logical.

so why you follow logic? because it comfort you.
and their is  always reason, other people, other brains, other battle fields, other wars and you still always will search for that logic because you don't want to lose the war( lose your mind/go insane)
is their logical reason to think otherwise or not?



meds:crazy2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: PsyAlien]
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PsyAlien said:
LunarEclipse said:
right after you hear that thump the pain will kick in just accept it



accept!
but how you will attempt?
when you are wept.


when i are wept?  is that all you have lept?  you schlept in here telling me i must accept you are off not that deft more like left behind right?


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Prison or Freedom? [Re: PsyAlien]
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PsyAlien said:
TheBalance said:
Quote:
yes it's fall and you are about to fall
into winter when it's cold y'all
your soul got flushed down
the toilet bowl


Down the toilet and through the pipes,
Up from the bottom and supported by stipes.:mushroom2:
The 'treatment facility' stinks.
The wanderer rethinks.



didn't you gone
was not too long
and you coming back
and that's the way you bring your luck

"The 'treatment facility' stinks."

is that a clue?
that you come back...
to take another treatment?
i see you bring a friend with you
are he aware?
this war is rare
don't you care?
he'll burn with you in hell...
good move!
bring more immolation,
cause they going to isolation
to speed up the domination
for pasteurization.


Was gone but back again,
Luck means nothing to the oarsmen.
Clue?
Yes, in the observatory with the candlestick.
A ride on the beatnik gnostic broomstick.
Aware?
This friend is picking up the spare.
Care?
Break out the stemware.:cheers:
Hell needs a retell and maybe a new doorbell.
One for pasteurization?
I lean towards exfoliation of the nation.

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