legallyhomeless said:

I think you might run into the problem of having too many pf tek jars inoculated to make 1 slurry when you could just do 1 and make a slurry to inoc several WBS jars. Which is what the original tek is. Ill still be watching

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OZZ said:

Badass as always bud!

Ive been using foomans grain tek for awhile now with great results. that sounds like a cool experiment. hope it works out. maybe the antibacterial grain soak might help with that? not sure. test it...

Boiling a pot of water on the stove, then removing from heat and soaking the grain for 60 minutes to hydrate, then PC'ing for 60 minutes.

Lately though Im so damn lazy I think Im going to try taking a fully colonized quart of grain and just soak new grain in a pot of boiling water to hydrate, and mix it with the colonized jar at a 3 to 1 ratio without PC'ing. Just to see how it will work. A full quart of spawn mixed with 3 quarts of uncolonized grain would completely colonize in like 3 to 5 days TOPS. I doubt contams would have a chance.

We'll see ... lol.

BTW I know this has nothing to do with your tek at hand, just thinking outloud I guess on an easy way to mass produce spawn - QUICKLY.

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2nd flush  is coming along. appears the yield is going to be bigger than 1st flush.

these are some monsters. off one PF  cake!

now the pics might be deceiving. the fruits are hollow stemmed. not as dense as usual.





anyway pvacant has tested it with pans. and said he had a flush. im still waiting on pics for it. but here is what he said.

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ok eats, or anyone else who cares,

i got mature fruits on sunday (08/02), off of the pan cyan slurry in a hurry tek (i think it was 2-3 days in the fruiting  chamber). nothing great, about 1/4 of it flushed... BUT, this morning, i couldn't even count the amount of pins, (and Hyph knots) comming up......i have a pic, but i'm having hella computer problems, and it's taking about 5 minutes to do ANYTHING!, so if i can get this fixed i'll upload the pix. however the goal was to see if this tek will work with pans, and the answer is YES. i would however add, that because the myc is rather thin, compared to cubies, the water ratio should be ......perhaps (IMO)......1/2 pint BRF  - 1/2 pint H2O , or a 1:1 ratio of slurry. none the less Eats, you created a very easy way to extend pan myc, and obviously cubie myc, without grains! My vote is a YES! thanx

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LitCloset said:

i just finished going over the thread. fantastic idea,but even better you actually tried it all the way through.   

you said that 1.5 to 2 turkey pans of bulk substrate was used per 1 PF cake in the tub. i really have no clue how much this is. maybe 4 quarts? I'm tempted to get some 1/2 pints just to give this a try.

wait a minute! OK pf jars are fun but grain always goes so much faster for me. think it would be easy enough to grind up a full quart of WBS and have enough slurry to do 8 tubs or 4 tubs with twice the amount of inoculant?

sorry if you posted this i just didn't see it, what are the dimensions or model number of the tubs you use?

maybe i don't have to go get those half pints after all

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get a quart jar. and some dry verm. and fill the quart jar with dry verm and fill it in a turkey tin. and then see how many quarts are in a turkey tin. i don't know the volume off hand. for me, its easy enough to say 1 turkey tins worth of volume.  i just toss it in one big plastic bin and mix it up. this is a turkey tin below. im betting its like 8 quarts at least. not exactly sure. im way too lazy to figure it out. maybe you can figure it out lol. then ill change the measurement above to clarify.



also, with grinding your grain. you could do this. but use a grain that the mycelia penetrates the whole piece of grain. sunflower seeds with the shells do not colonize completely.  the mycelia only colonizes the outside shell and does not penetrate in. so that might pose problems. there is an interesting experiment i saw on this. the guy cut each piece of grain in half to see which ones were fully colonized and which were not. it appeared most of the grain contained in wbs besides the sunflower seed shells did colonize all the way through. i liked that experiment and in my opinion if you have the sunflower seed shell in your wbs.. it might be an issue. but if the speed of the slurry beats the contams it might work. its worth trying if you ask me. everything is worth trying once. sunflower seed shells do contam rather easily though.

legallyhomeless said:

great job on all of this!

Maybe you can explain more why more spawn = more yield?

There are huge piles of woods chips aka mulch around here. I would love to put an active strain in a super soaker like the above poster mentioned and drench it.

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LitCloset said:

hey

I'm sorry if i came across sorta demanding or unappreciative when asking about the turkey tins. i don't have any around to check, i was hoping you knew off hand. I'm trying to figure out if this idea of yours is super duper amazing or super duper duper amazing

i always remove the sunflower seeds from my WBS or buy stuff with out it. maybe there would be a better grain or mix of things, in order to do this on the quart level. ill think about it. waiting for a quart of wbs to grow completely through all the grain will take longer then lc in a few 1/2 pints... something like 2 weeks? 1.5 weeks?

so your using 32:1 substrate to spawn, and getting 4 oz dried off the first and second flush combined?! this really is amazing.

i need to go get me a blender! so a quart jar of wbs has about 2(pint to quart) x 2(1/2 pint to pint) x 2 (verm/brf  to WBS) so one quart may actually be the same as using 8 1/2 pint pf cakes? i think that's right. I'm assuming that verm/BRF have about half the nutrients that wbs has by vol because of the verm

so making one quart wbs into a slurry and inoculating 4 mono tubs (holy shit!) would possibly have better yields (per mono tub) vs the 1 cake tub?

4 tubs * 4(+) ounces = 16 oz, the much sought after pound!!!

OK enough rambling from me...

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Alabama Slim said:

So the tek is:

spore syringe
pf cake blended finely with water
add to bulk substrate
fruit

It's pretty simple but it's been done man.... this is how i did things for the first year before i got a pressure cooker and never went back.
I still get moldy jars now and a again but haven't gone back to pf cakes.
you just have to get one clean master grain jar then start the cycle of grain to grain transfers.
That's not to say that this isn't a great tek and that pf cakes aren't perfectly good material for spawning to bulk.
it doesn't even have to be a slurry, you can just blend the shit out of a pf cake with a blender the spawn to some coir or shit or compost.

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Alabama Slim said:

hey you don't have to convince me bud.....I see nothing wrong with this tek whatsoever.
but i love my pressure cooker and my cultivation process is:

print
malt extract agar
transfer or 2
grain jar (wild birdseed)
more grain jars
substrate (coir and poo)
bulk trays
tripping balls.

love the write up man, keep up the good work.

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