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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: Fraggin]
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In response to the blood sugar comment, juice fasting is very powerful. Freshly squeezed fruit and vegetable juice is good at keeping healthy blood sugar levels as well as providing necessary nutrients without putting a load on the digestive system.

High quality cold-pressed veggies Oils (hemp, flax, coconut, olive, etc) should also be ingested while extended fasting to prevent the formation of gallstones.


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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity (moved) [Re: iluvfungi]
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Solstice is the only one disagreeing. I think this is funny. Let him disagree.


:shrug: So what? Aren't you interested in a good debate? What's the point of hanging on a forum if it's not to exchange ideas and views? Would it be better if we all agreed? zzzzZZZZZzzzz

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IF he doesnt want to benefit from it, thats fine. we all know it can be beneficial for certain people including ourselves and can fast if we like.


Again, I did fast before so I know what I am talking about. Bottom line is, as the topic suggested, fasting to reach " spirituality ", as if spirituality was a place to reach, is foolish to the extreme.

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Just like tripping, not for everyone, maybe, but in time, we all wont be eating.


Tripping holds better chances of making someone evolve " spiritually " than fasting. And that is a statement I am pretty sure most people here will agree with.

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I'd rather fast and eat healthy every 3 days than eat shit, Everyday.


If you ask me, you are better off using that energy of yours seeking healthy food sources than spending it in vain by fasting. This is not the third world you are living in friend! If you put your mind to it, instead of complaining, you will find healthier food to eat.

That sums it up. If anyone's still interested in fasting on the way to become the Dalai Lama, good luck, but chances are you'll realise the foolishness of it sooner or later and grow out of it.


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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity (moved) [Re: solstice]
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"Again, I did fast before so I know what I am talking about. Bottom line is, as the topic suggested, fasting to reach " spirituality ", as if spirituality was a place to reach, is foolish to the extreme"

for you maybe. but just like mushrooms, fasting can be a diffrent experience for every person. wether it be bad or good. you cant say its foolish because it didnt sit right with you. the thread I posted above is proof of that.

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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity (moved) [Re: dieselkush]
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dieselkush said:
"Again, I did fast before so I know what I am talking about. Bottom line is, as the topic suggested, fasting to reach " spirituality ", as if spirituality was a place to reach, is foolish to the extreme"

for you maybe. but just like mushrooms, fasting can be a diffrent experience for every person. wether it be bad or good. you cant say its foolish because it didnt sit right with you. the thread I posted above is proof of that.


Sorry, but I cannot help but laugh when fasting is compared to something like the psychedelic experience. They just don't have the same benefits even though every one is different! Humans are humans and they need food and they won't become angels because they stayed away from it.

Let's say you're at the casino and had to bet on either the psychedelic experience or fasting. Which one would you choose? I know where my money goes...


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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: solstice]
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id  bet on fasting, as much as I love the gift of mushrooms. Id go with the path that does not alter my state of mind with a substance. fasting is natural, and does not cause harm to the body. native americans would fast only for a few days, and travel/ hike etc. to reach spirituality. how long did you fast to reach it?
and maybe thats why so many people cannot reach it, or even comprehend it. its not a third world country. people can infatuate themselves with food on a daily basis, eating until they become obese and eat them selfs into a grave. fasting eliminates this new found food crave that people have. and not every person can go out and eat mushrooms to reach spirituality.

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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: dieselkush]
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dieselkush said:
id  bet on fasting, as much as I love the gift of mushrooms. Id go with the path that does not alter my state of mind with a substance. fasting is natural, and does not cause harm to the body. native americans would fast only for a few days, and travel/ hike etc. to reach spirituality. how long did you fast to reach it?
and maybe thats why so many people cannot reach it, or even comprehend it. its not a third world country. people can infatuate themselves with food on a daily basis, eating until they become obese and eat them selfs into a grave. fasting eliminates this new found food crave that people have. and not every person can go out and eat mushrooms to reach spirituality.


Ahah, I think you're bullshitting me, unless you have too much money to spend. :lol:

Fasting is not natural, it's an unnatural mean of reaching an altered state of mind. If it was natural, we wouldn't call it fasting, we wouldn't see it as an austerity in the first place! If it was natural, it would flow easily, instead we all know that fasting is rowing against the current of normal body funtions. And I underline once more, just to make sure that I am understood properly, that I am talking on a spiritual level. I think this is a matter of cutting ourselves off from what the eco-system provides to us. Modern man often thinks that he can operate outside his own limits, that is, without collaboration with it's natural matrix. This is novel behavior that is spreading and growing in intensity throughout the world. The eco-system provides us with essential nourishment, cures, shelter, clothing as well as psychological catalysts and has been doing so since life has been multiplying on this planet and here we go thinking that we don't need it anymore.

Bad things will result of this behavior and it is already the case. Fasting is but an example of that stupid behavior, some of us thinking we can " get there " without the guide.

Ingesting plant material on the other hand, is natural. It's one of the primordial acts one has to perform in order to stay alive. Eating an apple alters your consciousness, drinking different types of water does too. Ingesting psycho-actives is simply taking this to another level. Even when you eat meat, you indirectly eat plant material, the animal acting as an intermediate between you and the plants, transmitting the nutrients through it's flesh.

Objectively, since both fasting and ingesting plants alter consciousness and since fasting goes against the grain of human metabolism, altering your mind through plant use is much more natural.

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how long did you fast to reach it?


That's the point. I never did! My use of plants though, made me a much more aware being than I was during my " fasting " days. In fact, it was my use of psycho-active plants that enabled me to see the foolishness in thinking that depriving my body of essential nourishment would get me closer to God.

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people can infatuate themselves with food on a daily basis, eating until they become obese and eat them selfs into a grave. fasting eliminates this new found food crave that people have.


This would make fasting a very drastic method for solving a much deeper social problem though. I don't know of many obese people who opt for fasting when trying to lose weight, they often prefer dodgy diets that only soothes their lazyness without producung much results in the long run since they keep on going back and forth or trying dozens of different diets.


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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: solstice]
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"History of Fasting for Spiritual Breakthrough

Fasting has been practiced by humans and animals since history began. It was really the only method for healing that primitive man had (other than some herbs from nature). They would fast when they became hurt or ill. It was a natural instinct for self preservation

Fasting (spiritual and non-spiritual) has been around for a very long time. Spiritual Fasting has some importance in almost every religion. The Bible, alone, has 74 references to it. Spiritual fasting is mentioned in both the Old and New Testament, in the Mahabharata, in the Upanishads and in the Qur'an.

Jesus fasted for 40 days, and his disciples took part in many long fasts. All of history’s greatest spiritual teachers took part in spiritual fasting. They all understood the power of fasting for spiritual breakthrough. Now, you are being exposed to it!

Benefits of Spiritual Fasting

The benefits of spiritual fasting are both physical and non-physical. Many of the effects cannot even be described and/or scientifically proven. Below, I will list some of the main effects of spiritual fasting.

First of all you are no longer controlled by food. I am amazed each time I do a fast how free I feel. You will notice that you have so much more time. You are not a slave to your food. Your regain your mastery over it. After fasting, you do not eat as much as you use to. This is because you have more mental power to control food, and your stomach shrinks slightly.

Fasting for spiritual breakthrough has also been known to reduce mouth and body odor. Many people have reported no longer needing to use any kind of deodorants, after taking part in regular spiritual fasting.

Spiritual fasting has many benefits for your body. It gives your body a physiological rest. During this time, you body is also able to get rid of toxins. Basically fasting for spiritual breakthrough allows your body to relax and let go, which causes a very powerful internal cleansing.

Spiritual fasting can be a very empowering experience. If you are able to complete it, you feel sense of accomplishment and freedom. I have found spiritual fasting is a great way for me to become inspired. It has also been know to cause a calming effect. And for some people it induces feelings of euphoria, it is like a natural high.

Overall, fasting for spiritual breakthrough cleans the body-mind and feeds the spirit.

“All the vitality and energy I have comes to me because my body is purified by fasting.”-Gandhi"

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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: dieselkush]
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dieselkush said:
"History of Fasting for Spiritual Breakthrough

Fasting has been practiced by humans and animals since history began. It was really the only method for healing that primitive man had (other than some herbs from nature). They would fast when they became hurt or ill. It was a natural instinct for self preservation

Fasting (spiritual and non-spiritual) has been around for a very long time. Spiritual Fasting has some importance in almost every religion. The Bible, alone, has 74 references to it. Spiritual fasting is mentioned in both the Old and New Testament, in the Mahabharata, in the Upanishads and in the Qur'an.

Jesus fasted for 40 days, and his disciples took part in many long fasts. All of history�s greatest spiritual teachers took part in spiritual fasting. They all understood the power of fasting for spiritual breakthrough. Now, you are being exposed to it!

Benefits of Spiritual Fasting

The benefits of spiritual fasting are both physical and non-physical. Many of the effects cannot even be described and/or scientifically proven. Below, I will list some of the main effects of spiritual fasting.

First of all you are no longer controlled by food. I am amazed each time I do a fast how free I feel. You will notice that you have so much more time. You are not a slave to your food. Your regain your mastery over it. After fasting, you do not eat as much as you use to. This is because you have more mental power to control food, and your stomach shrinks slightly.

Fasting for spiritual breakthrough has also been known to reduce mouth and body odor. Many people have reported no longer needing to use any kind of deodorants, after taking part in regular spiritual fasting.

Spiritual fasting has many benefits for your body. It gives your body a physiological rest. During this time, you body is also able to get rid of toxins. Basically fasting for spiritual breakthrough allows your body to relax and let go, which causes a very powerful internal cleansing.

Spiritual fasting can be a very empowering experience. If you are able to complete it, you feel sense of accomplishment and freedom. I have found spiritual fasting is a great way for me to become inspired. It has also been know to cause a calming effect. And for some people it induces feelings of euphoria, it is like a natural high.

Overall, fasting for spiritual breakthrough cleans the body-mind and feeds the spirit.

�All the vitality and energy I have comes to me because my body is purified by fasting.�-Gandhi"


Ok let me begin by....

laughing my ass off!!!

Are you seriously using Jesus and the friggin' Qu'ran as examples to prove your point??

I can't believe it! Jesus is a fuckin' myth!!! And the Qu'ran... well. When you guys are not busy victimizing muslims, you spend your time using their holy book in debates?

What is that?

I know the Qu'ran, as I said previously, I was once a muslim but common sense eventually took back it's rightful place. May I also remind you that the Qu'ran exorts muslims to find and make war on those " who do not believe in God and it's prophet, Muhammad? ", ( I guess this makes you all potential martyrs... ) that it also tells believers to chop the hands of thieves? And now you are using it to tell me that fasting is okay?

Come on...

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Fasting has been practiced by humans and animals since history began.


yeah, so is rape, incest and sexual intercourse with animals.

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It was really the only method for healing that primitive man had (other than some herbs from nature).


We could also say: Healing herbs were really the only method for healing that primitive man had ( other than fasting in order to flush out toxins )

Get my drift? From what source is this text from? You failed to produce that.

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Fasting (spiritual and non-spiritual) has been around for a very long time. Spiritual Fasting has some importance in almost every religion. The Bible, alone, has 74 references to it. Spiritual fasting is mentioned in both the Old and New Testament, in the Mahabharata, in the Upanishads and in the Qur'an.



As I said, this is hardly solid evidence that fasting for spiritual purposes is the way to go. This is ridiculous at best. These major religions are all responsible for this world's worst tragedies not to mention the fact that they harbour hypocrites of all kind acting behind the mask of holiness to control the masses.

Find something better.

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First of all you are no longer controlled by food. I am amazed each time I do a fast how free I feel.


Controlled by food? Are you nuts? ( no pun intended ). Is that you talking there or is it quoted from someone else? If it is, I would like to know where it came from.

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Fasting for spiritual breakthrough has also been known to reduce mouth and body odor.


Uh... wait a minute... what? :lol: So does washing yourself mate.

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Many people have reported no longer needing to use any kind of deodorants, after taking part in regular spiritual fasting.


Fuck off! It takes more than that to prove anything.:lol:

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Spiritual fasting has many benefits for your body. It gives your body a physiological rest. During this time, you body is also able to get rid of toxins. Basically fasting for spiritual breakthrough allows your body to relax and let go, which causes a very powerful internal cleansing.


How many times will I have to repeat it? I never said that fasting is not good for health, if done responsibly. What I am saying is that " spiritual fasts " are bullshit attempt at either breaking the mind of naive followers and/or symbolically make them understand that they should not abuse food. Please, I am not interested in debating with robots who repeat the same lines over and over. This is played out, not to mention off-topic.

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Spiritual fasting can be a very empowering experience.


Says my guru. A week into fasting he told me that lending him my house was also a very holy act. :grin:

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Overall, fasting for spiritual breakthrough cleans the body-mind and feeds the spirit.


You keep telling yourself that.

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“All the vitality and energy I have comes to me because my body is purified by fasting.”-Gandhi"


Believe me, I know my vedantism and my ayurveda mate. Gandhi was a very wise motherfucker, but he never claimed that restraining yourself from food would make you holy. Gandhi " fasted " not only from food, but from material and sexual life altogether. It takes much more than a food fast to evolve spiritually and this sentence is used out of context in a not-so-subtle manner in an attempt to prove otherwise.

Get real.


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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: solstice]
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Spirituality is a practice, not an achievement.
Therefor, your question is falliable.

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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: solstice]
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these are not my words, but from a trusted enough site to have posted it. I seem to be the only one coming up with proof that fasting is healthy and natural for the body. wheres yours? a few words of how mushrooms are better,  fasting is foolish because you've done it. its funny how many religions, and people all through out history have reached spirituality through fasting. but yet you never have, and because of that. to you, fasting is foolish to the extreme. maybe you need to reassess your method, psychedelics will help you reach enlightenment, and spirituality. but there are different types and levels. mushrooms gives you a certain type, and fasting does as well. it doesn't make mushrooms foolish, nor does it make fasting foolish. especially when you take the proper route to fasting.
give me one article, one fact that fasting for spirituality is "unhealthy and dangerous".
or one article where some one has died fasting.
  "Overall, fasting for spiritual breakthrough cleans the body-mind and feeds the spirit"
"You keep telling yourself that"
obviously you need to read a book about fasting. infact read a few of them.

Edited by dieselkush (07/28/09 05:46 PM)

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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: solstice]
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Why do you think that fasting is detrimental to your physical health? Seems likely humans would have been designed to be able to fast in the Hunter-Gatherer stage. Do you have any evidence of long lasting detrimental effects? There's plenty of evidence longs fast can be good for mental well being, and things such as hypertension (related to anxiety etc,) to some spiritual progress is the same as mental progress.


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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: Grapefruit]
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basically it all comes down to the fact that you fatasses don't want to stop eating :wink:


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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: silosighbin]
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Why do you think that fasting is detrimental to your physical health?


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I seem to be the only one coming up with proof that fasting is healthy and natural for the body. wheres yours?


WTF? How many times do I have to repeat this?:

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I never said that fasting is not good for health, if done responsibly. What I am saying is that " spiritual fasts " are bullshit


Seems I am debating with skipping discs...

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I seem to be the only one coming up with proof


Proof?!! Bringing up Jeebus and the Qu'ran and bits from an unknown website you failed to give a link to even after I asked does not constitute proof. And please, do not give me that " it's good for health " thing, I do no want to repeat myself again. We are talking about spiritual fasts.

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fasting is foolish because you've done it. its funny how many religions, and people all through out history have reached spirituality through fasting. but yet you never have


Yes, because I have first hand experience into it. Reading books on any matter never will enable you to know a subject better than first hand experience. Theory versus practice. As for religion... bad example at best because religion fails to offer any genuine spiritual progress, in fact, religion is probably one of the biggest obstacle on the road to spiritual evolution this world has to offer.

In the words of Nietzsche: " Religion prevents spirituality "

In other words, it is far more valuable to create your own religion than to follow any of the already existing one. In any case, I hope that does not constitute " proof " for you because I never saw anyone claiming to be religious that had any spiritual merit. And I met lots of them...

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maybe you need to reassess your method, psychedelics will help you reach enlightenment, and spirituality. but there are different types and levels. mushrooms gives you a certain type, and fasting does as well. it doesn't make mushrooms foolish, nor does it make fasting foolish. especially when you take the proper route to fasting.


As I explained earlier, fasting is going against the current of body function while eating is not. Natural psychedelics need to be ingested, thus making them much more natural than fasting, especially considering the fact that the active molecules in them, those that make them psychedelic in the first place, are related to regular brain chemistry.

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give me one article, one fact that fasting for spirituality is "unhealthy and dangerous".


I don't feel like I need to. Like I said previously, first hand experience holds more value than what is read. The fact of the matter is, when both experiences are analysed in a lab, the psychedelic experience is sure to produce more results than fasting if these results are compared to what the " religious " experience is supposed to be about. You know this is true but you keep struggling like a drowning man, what can I do?

I then return the question: Show me studies that have shown that fasting generates experiences similar to what the spiritual experience is about!

On my side, off the top of my head I could show Rick Strassman's studies with DMT that has shown that the use of dymethiltryptamine is highly efficient is making subjects experience these types of experience.

The psychedelic experience, unlike fasting, is the only thing that is reliable when trying to re-create the " experiences of transcendance " told about by all traditions. Nothing else produces the same results.

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one article where some one has died fasting.


I don't need articles to know that in mankind's history, fools have died fasting, hoping to reach enlightenment. You know as well as I do that it has occurred.

Bottom line is, fasting is a very dangerous and delusional way of hoping to reach spiritual enlightenment.


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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: solstice]
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When a majaraji is ready to leave this world, they take a seated position and stop eating.

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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: Fraggin]
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Fraggin said:
When a majaraji is ready to leave this world, they take a seated position and stop eating.


That's because their religion prohibits them from using morphine so they want to escape the pain and this world, faster. :grin:


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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: solstice]
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Is that true? I thought it was just the cultural method of getting the job done.

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Re: Fasting to reach spirituality (moved) [Re: solstice]
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solstice said:
Fraggin said:
When a majaraji is ready to leave this world, they take a seated position and stop eating.


That's because their religion prohibits them from using morphine so they want to escape the pain and this world, faster. :grin:


Well done to them!

If this world becomes hell for you, its the greatest blessing in disguise

The deeper you are forced to look within the more auspicious the life

:peace:


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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: solstice]
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solstice said:
My opinion on this is that it is highly irresponsible to suggest that fasting might help you in spiritual pursuits,


I respectfully disagree. Fasting, when done correctly, can help one achieve enlightened states of mind. A strong shift in perception can occur when one is fasting. Man has known this for a long time. That is why you will read about many spiritual figures that have fasted.

Do not assume that holding out on food for a period of time is detrimental to the body. There are ways to conduct fasts that allow the body to maintain good health. Moreover, there are many resources available that can guide people who wish to fast in a "healthy" manner.


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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: FleshCap]
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Do not assume that holding out on food for a period of time is detrimental to the body.


Damn! You guys really love repeating yourselves! :eek:

But anyway, what does it have to do with enlightenment due to fasting?

I'll be short and right to the point.

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Fasting, when done correctly, can help one achieve enlightened states of mind.


Preposterous! Prove it!

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A strong shift in perception can occur when one is fasting


Of course! Your body is acting on a defense mechanism, the effects due to this state, hallucinations etc cannot be considered spiritual if they are the result of abnormal body reactions. Basically, you are saying that the body reactions to abnormal conditions have spiritual potential. :shrug:

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That is why you will read about many spiritual figures that have fasted.


This one was played out by our good friend dieselkush. I hardly think that using Jeebus and Muhammad and Indian fakirs as examples constitutes hard evidence :lolsy:


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Re: Fasting to reach spirituallity [Re: solstice]
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Solstice... lol... Why do you keep trying to sway people from their belief that fasting does this or that?

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