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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: Minstrel]
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NO IT WAS BIG FOOT WALKING THROUGH THE FIELDS!!!
ONLY THEY COVERED UP THE REST OF HIS TRACKS@!!! DUH!!111


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ga ga ga eets eets how you gone be mad on vacation?
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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: Minstrel]
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So you took the most simple crop circle to date as your proof they are all man made? :rolleyes:

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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: Minstrel]
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Minstrel said:
I'm afraid I won't be able to stream vids for another 47 hours, but even if I was able... 

I don't like the information density of a video format.  Most of them just include lots of taped together stock-footage and spooky music.  I can read faster than the information presents itself.  And video lends itself to subtler coercive elements, such as false dialectics.  If you have a transcript, I'd be more than happy to take a look.

Now, I'm very interested in this grain-stock bending EM technology.  Biomass processing by size reduction is a big thing in my field.  It's application to industry could open up a world of development.  What sort of EM radiation are we talking about?  Is it IR? Maybe UV?  There is this evidence?  Then produce it!  Speak not merely of it!


I'll be happy to transcribe that portion of the video when I am less tired tomorrow.

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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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lol, I know. hes living in reality, but pieces of  his mind is in a box. and its not just this thread that im realizing this.

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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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i was using that as "proof" that they are all man made
i'm not trying to prove anything
you have your beliefs and i have mine

i'm not trying to persuade you to follow what i believe

i respect other peoples beliefs regardless of my opinion on them

trying to get people to change their beliefs is stupid and pointless

i guess you can say i was just trying to crack a joke

don't get too excited


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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
I'll be happy to transcribe that portion of the video when I am less tired tomorrow.


Yea do that.  Videos are terribly laborious, slow ways of transmitting information.  Irrelevant music, distracting effects and slow eloquent narrative with facts only peppered in.  If you can synthesize and condense all the scientific evidence you say they have that would be great.  Try to be specific and precise with terminology if you can too.  Saying things like electromagnetic energy is confusing.  Like Minstrel says, be specific about the kind of things found.

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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: shadyy]
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lol
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/cutting/cropcirc.htm


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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: DieCommie]
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Qubit said:
c0sm0nautt said:
I'll be happy to transcribe that portion of the video when I am less tired tomorrow.


Yea do that.  Videos are terribly laborious, slow ways of transmitting information.  Irrelevant music, distracting effects and slow eloquent narrative with facts only peppered in.  If you can synthesize and condense all the scientific evidence you say they have that would be great.  Try to be specific and precise with terminology if you can too.  Saying things like electromagnetic energy is confusing.  Like Minstrel says, be specific about the kind of things found.


hm...
see.. i dont really think you should do that.
someone interested enough in this type of phenomena could have dedicated 10 minutes to watch a video.
i know i have... way before i had a side to choose ..
its just how it goes.. ur either curious -and you see for yourself
or .. ur so fucking skeptic.. you always demand other people to serve you the information ..

i say.. fuck it.
this section of the forum isnt for a fiery debate ..
sure ... conversations happen with different opinions..
but going out of your way to transcribe something.. for someone that will probably barely take a look at it , and still come back with same ridiculous comment - might not be the best way to go IMO.

... you gotta know at least a little bit about your talking about before you come out calling bs.

in the words of eddie griffin :
"you must be out your fucking mind to think we the only shit in the universe ! what you think ?  god made all this SHIT.. and then said  >> Let the rest be lights ! .. light it up for em at night.. "

out your mind ! :rofl:


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: dieselkush]
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dieselkush said:
lol, I know. hes living in reality, but pieces of  his mind is in a box. and its not just this thread that im realizing this.


You live in the same box as me.

I don't reject the fanciful explainations of your circles out of hand, I just merely haven't been presented with persuasive evidence that your hypothesis is well supported by the observations.  I am open minded enough to consider any hypothesis; I hold no belief dogmatically.  Just remember that extraordinary claims require extraordianry evidence. 

Telling me that 'my mind is in a box' doesn't go to any lengths to change the situation, now, does it?  :rolleyes:


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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: Minstrel]
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what claims?

that 100% of these crop circles are not in fact man-made? the contrary is quite a claim in itself which requires extraordinary evidence.

that these things exist as some kind of mystery.. remains a mystery and nobody can 'prove' that can they? Rather than being the control freak and demanding an explanation i am at peace in that i know that i don't know.

if i must postulate a hypothesis, it would be that reductionist paradigms are fucking retarded and if there is any 'reason' for these phenomena it is to break open your head. Stop filtering out what can and cannot be true (like the belief that these must be man-made which filters out all other possibilities) when the evidence hasn't been confirmed.

and wtf is confirmation of evidence? a consensus agreement that we all see what we all see? When in reality how the fuck can anyone prove to anyone that anything really exists outside their own mind? for all i know you are all in my head, alternatively me saying this is part of the cunning tricks you play on yourself cuz really.. this is all in your head.

Occams razor is the reductionists security blanket for dismissing far out ideas a priori cuz they're too scary and out of control of the established status quo of science. If Einstein saw ufos or whatevs and disclosed them as fact maybe we'd all believe it easy as...

ah but wait... herein lies the very essence of the ufo/alien/cereology phenomenon: It's unexplainability, the way it confounds our very ideas of reality. Alien is by definition not of us, it is the other, which (from a metaphysical standpoint) is our reflection in the cosmos. It is the other side constantly evolving and shifting to inspire us to do the same, for that reason it must always be beyond our comprehension, so try to understand it... i dare ya.

and if you still have no idea what i'm on about drink some cactus juice...

mmmmmmmmm mescaline. yummy!


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Look, let me explain something. I'm not Mr. Lebowski; you're Mr. Lebowski.
I'm the Dude. So that's what you  call me.  That, or Duder.  His  Dudeness.
Or El Duderino, if, you know, you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: Minstrel]
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I know Jivvy, but I kind of wanted to do it for my own knowledge too.

Here you go:

Nancy Talbot, BLT Research Team - After sampling approximately 400 crop circles in over 8 countries:

"We can prove there is apparently a rotational force, this rotational force contains an energy component that works like a microwave. We can reproduce many of the changes that occur in the plants and soil by means of microwave radiation."

This causes the moister in the plants to turn to steam and look for a means of escape. If the plants are young and pliable, it stretches and elongates the nodes. If the crop is old and brittle, it escapes by bursting the nodes.



If we see it as a simple circle, the extent of the damage to the plants decreases as you go from the circle to the edge. And that's exciting because we can see it in principle as electromagnetic radiation, the so called elambent(sp?) principle - the effect of electromagnetic radiation on matter, in this case represented on plants. The strength of the radiation decreasing out from the center is a clear representation of electromagnetic energy on matter.

What we have discovered in circle after circle are these tiny little rounded particles. And the fact that they are perfectly spherical indicates the ground was temporarily in a molten state. And we find them deposited in very unusual ways. Sometimes they are deposited only at the edge of the circles, other times only in the center. Often these spherical deposits are deposited in a very linear pattern throughout the circle, a clear linear progression.



We have also found changes in the soils we have analyzed. In the soils of the crop circles there is a distinctly larger amount of magnetic material then in surrounding soils. And this material has a apparent distribution centrifugally from the center of the circle outwards. In addition we have analyzed the crystalline structure of  (element)oxide compounds in various crop circles and found, limiting ourselves to surface sample, that they have changed in ways that traditionally can only be accounted for extremely high pressures.

Its an amazing fact, that this type of alteration in clay minerals is formally associated with sedimentary rock being pressed down by mountains over hundreds of years. The fact that this is being found in surface soil made the researches repeat the statistics to make sure their findings were accurate.

At the very least we are dealing with something that is like microwaves, electrical charges, and strong magnetism - at the very least. Metaphorically, we can describe parts of the paint brush or the pen, but we don't know who uses this pen, how they use it, and why they use it.

The same geometry found in crop circles can be found when we produce certain tones on standing water... <video continues>

Loosely transcribed from 8:27 to 14:27... This is only 6 minutes of a 50 minutes video.

Here is the research teams website which has a concise breakup of all their studies, in reading format: http://www.bltresearch.com/index.php Enjoy!

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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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no way theses crop circles are made by fish wtf are you guys thinking?


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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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I still dont understand how they can conclude "microwaves, electrical charges, and strong magnetism" were part of the fabarication.  They are just stating it as a fact, but give no reason behind it.  I surfed that website for a while too and found nothing.

Thx for writing that though.

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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: DieCommie]
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Qubit said:
I still dont understand how they can conclude "microwaves, electrical charges, and strong magnetism" were part of the fabarication.  They are just stating it as a fact, but give no reason behind it.  I surfed that website for a while too and found nothing.

Thx for writing that though.


At the very least we are dealing with something that is like microwaves, electrical charges, and strong magnetism - at the very least.

The exploded and stretched nodes, the soil contents, the magnetic particles? Did you read any of that? They are not saying it is some giant microwave - based on the evidence, while drawing parallels to current level of human technology, this is what it looks like. Can you see there is obviously something more going on than rope and planks?

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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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The stretched nodes, soil contents and magnetic particles are interesting, but there are no real stats or numbers surrounding them and no comparison to a control of a known man made circle.  Given the evidence they show, I wouldnt come to the conclusion that there is an 'microwaves, electrical charges, and strong magnetism' beyond normal, so Im not sure how they got that.  I dont know enough about biology to have a sense of what stretched nodes implies.  Magnetic particles doesnt seem that weird, magnetic particles are all over the place.  Its just all very un-specific with no mention of any caveats of their analysis.  I dont trust a scientist who doesnt communicate all the weak points and potential fallacies/confounds of the experiment.

Again, thx for presenting the argument without a video.  If you have any more info on the specific I would like to read them (even if I dont respond).

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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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:blah:


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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: shadyy]
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:scrambled:

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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: skatealex2]
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:commonsense:


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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: Minstrel]
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:dudewtf:


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Re: 2012 Mayan Crop Cirrcle [Re: Afro]
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:awedance:

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