Auto-SummaryThis forum post presents a thought-provoking discussion on the nature of time, the universe, and the concept of cyclical existence. The author begins by sharing a quote from an anonymous source, expressing belief in an eternal cycle of existence after the death of consciousness. However, the author counters this view, suggesting that after 2012, the "forgetting process" is no longer necessary and that the "veil" serves a purpose until it can be dispelled.
The author proposes a different perspective, suggesting that individuals form social memory complexes that evolve and group together, creating a continuous cycle of growth and expansion without returning to previous states. They reference the second law of thermodynamics and Peter Lynds' model, which posits that the universe is cyclic and repeats exactly an infinite number of times due to the constant oscillation of energy.
Lynds' model, as described, suggests that time is circular and that the universe undergoes a big bang and big crunch in an eternal cycle, with no beginning or end. The author concludes by emphasizing that time is an illusion and that we are all part of the same primordial source, with our existence being a representation of this eternal energy. The post encourages readers to consider these ideas and challenge their understanding of time and the universe
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The very same will be for the end of mankind; eternity will be realized in the aftermath of the death of vegetable existence and consciousness, having thus transcended matter, will have realized itself to be eternal, which represents the end goal of self reflection; the end of the universe; the precursor to the metaphorical big bang. We start over again in complete ignorance of our former existence in order to experience it all over, anew.
I dont entirely agree.
After 2012 for those who wish to enter the higher vibration , the forgetting process is no longer necessary.
This veil serves a purpose. Once that purpose is accomplished it will no longer be present... actually.. it would be an obstacle.
My view is a bit different.
I think we consciously group up...
Individuals come to form a social memory complex.
This memory complex begins its evolution on an individual level.. as one being.
Thus grouping again with other complexes.
This goes on and on.. forever.
We just keep jumping in scale.
WE never go back and experience it all over again.
Well that is your opinion.
I have been lead to believe otherwise.
Enter the second law of thermodynamics:
On a Finite Universe with no Beginning or End
Peter Lynds
"If the universe were positively spatially curved and destined for a big crunch, this naturally posed the question of what might happen next. There seemed to be two general options: either the universe would contract to a singularity, a point of infinite density and geometric space-time curvature, and everything would cease to be; or alternatively, it might bounce back with a great explosion. This big bounce would be much like, or possibly exactly the same as, the big bang before it. If the latter, and the universe had exactly the same configuration as the previous big bang, not only would the explosion be exactly the same, but so too would the entire evolution of the universe following it. Such cyclic ideas, whether the universe is thought to be exactly the same in each cycle, or completely different, are not new. Before the Christian view of history took hold, where things are always seen to take place in a linear fashion and only once, cyclic views of the world and cosmos were the prevalent belief in ancient times...
The natural question then became, what would happen if the second law of thermodynamics were breached? People such as Hawking [8, 11] and Gold [9, 10] had assumed that all physical processes would go into reverse. In other words, they had assumed that events would take place in the direction in which entropy was decreasing, rather than increasing as we observe today. Furthermore, they had assumed that entropy would decrease in the direction in which the universe contracted towards a big crunch (in their case, towards what we call the big bang). But if the second law correctly holds, on a large scale, entropy should still always increase. Indeed, what marks it out so much from the other laws of physics in the first place, is that it is asymmetric . it is not reversible. If all of the laws of physics, with the exception of the second law of thermodynamics, are time symmetric and can equally be reversed, it became apparent that if faced with a situation where entropy might be forced to decrease rather than increase, rather than actually doing so, the order of events should simply reverse, so that the order in which they took place would still be in the direction in which entropy was increasing. The second law would continue to hold, events would remain continuous, and no other law of physics would be contravened...
Although if viewed from our normal conception of past and future (where we make a differentiation), the universe would repeat over and over an infinite number of times, and could also be said to have done so in the past. Crucially, however, if one thinks about what is actually happening in respect to time, no universe is in the future or past of another one. It is exactly the same version, once, and it is non-cyclic. If so desired, one might also picture the situation as an infinite number of the same universe repeating at exactly the same time. But again, if properly taking into account what is happening in respect to time, in actuality, there is no infinite number of universes. It is one and the same."
"Peter Lynds has proposed a model in which time is cyclic, and the universe repeats exactly an infinite number of times. Because it is the exact same cycle that repeats, however, it can also be interpreted as happening just once in relation to time."
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0612/0612053.pdf
Essentially, all energy which exists inside the closed vacuum of the universe is in the eternal act of oscillating (expanding and contracting) from its primordial source, the big bang/ big crunch. After the big bang, due to the second law of thermodynamics, the universe eventually condenses to a point where it cannot contract any longer without violating the second law. By this law, the configuration will be forced to reverse itself (instantaneously, as there is no such thing as time) back to the primordial source (as an explosion). Since energy cannot be created, nor destroyed, the events will all be the exact same. The big bang is the big crunch in reciprocal relation.
This brings us back to the question of the chicken or the egg, but since time is simply an illusion, the question is moot. We are all of the same primordial source, and our very existence is merely a representation of this primordial energy obeying its eternal law. There is only one moment which is the eternal universe.
All that is straight lies.
Time is a circle.
We are destined to eternal repetition of the same.
Edited by Around In Circles (06/12/09 09:42 AM)
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