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DICK
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Death through meditation
#5465744 - 03/31/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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this is more in link with my 'energy flow' thread but i need more like a quick answer before going to bed tonight.
read my last post just in case things dont make sense...
but can i meditate myself to death? can i make my heart stop and yet still be alive? if so, for how long??
i meditate through sleep 
so no, dont visualize all cross legged and stuff... i just kinda lie in bed and start controlling my breathing, counting... then before long im asleep and tripping
so yeah... im just asking cause ill be going to bed soon
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Re: Death through meditation [Re: DICK]
#5465841 - 03/31/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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that's an amazing abillity.
yes, you can.
BUT... only if you choose to..... when you reach what the Buddhists call stream conscoiusness, you can choose not to return....... it's like merging with the source I guess.
and according to them, yes, you can stop breathing, you can stop your heart.... and it stays that way until you want to resume it, but i think some understanding of subjective experience is necessary..... for I have gone minutes on end without breathing only to realize that I haven't breathed, inhale for the first time, and be completely at rest, not short of breath whatsoever, during those sleep like meditations.... but I could never bring them into real sleep so I could "trip" and merge with dreams or deep sleep meditation.
so the issue is not so much whether or not your breath really stops, rather it is an issue of subjectively being free of your complete physiology for a few moments. if ALL OF YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS exists only in the heart and breath, then the moments between breaths could span for immeasurable feelings of time...... imagine a clock with various tick marks on it, and your only sense of time is measured by breath...... that could be more what they mean by your heart not beating and you not breathing... it could mean that you have gone beyond yourself, can stay there as long as you want and have no sensation of bodily life, then go back to normal breathing and activity.
and yet if someone were watching you, they would see you breathe, always, constantly.... but you have stopped time subjectively. think of it that way.
think of a second of deep meditation being several seconds, maybe a minute long.....
you have been blessed if you can do this, please do cultivate it.....
do not worry yourself. read about conscious deep sleep here http://swamij.com/yoga-nidra.htm
also, its best to use these states for purification and cleansing rather than enjoyment.... according to random Buddhist things I've read you can dwell long enough in these states to exhaust all good karma that you have, and would then be in danger of a rebirth in lower/hell levels, though..... I don't understand much at all about Buddhism... it was said that someone residing in the highest state of meditation began to fell out of it, and as so he cursed the Buddha and because of cursing him fell to hell.
I'm not sure what it means or if to take it literally, but it means that LIBERATION is more important than meditating for enjoyment.....working on purifying your life and your karma and your mind while in these states is best..... and to not fight anything you encounter.
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/psychedelic_experience/psychedelic_experience.shtml you'll also want to read the psychedelic experience becasue everything in it definitely applies to consciously meditating into sleep states........
the highest goal is to merge with clear light and reside it in as long as possible, then to go with the flow of anything and everything until you "wake up" or, if you're dead, have a new life..... but you won't be dying dude....
there is no reason whatsoever to worry about it.... just follow it, see where it goes... don't be timid... you could find yourself in sleep paralysis unable to wake up for a while but don't let that worry you either. i've had dreams where i'm not even sure if i'm alive anymore or if i'm going to go back to my old me because i feel like i've been stripped of normal personality characteristics, only to eventually come back and go "ahh.... hmmm." and be the normal me.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (03/31/06 11:19 PM)
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Re: Death through meditation [Re: leery11]
#5465876 - 03/31/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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wow thanks really...
and no i dont do it for enjoyment... in fact, it was only yesterday that i really did it consciously since i was using the 'afterglow' of the trip the day before.
it gets really scary though and sometimes i dont know if what im doing is 'right' so i stop... and then i go into a thought loop if maybe i should step a little further and its all just a leap of faith... to go against what you believe in, what you think is real, your conscious, everything and just cross over. of course when im at this point im panicking and not concentrating and more just fighting to 'get out'.
besides, when im in that state i just feel so much negativity around me... and all the city noise magnifies tenfold and get very annoying.
so maybe i need a better set and setting. since now i believe that it can alter 'where you go' and how you feel.
thanks really its funny to think that just a few years ago, if i read something like this, i would have dismiss it as total bullshit.
tonight im just gonna concentrate on just resting, getting a goodnights sleep and not 'meditating' since i feel really drained
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Re: Death through meditation [Re: DICK]
#5467134 - 04/01/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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hmm you are still awake enough to hear the city? Perhaps you could try to figure out how to shut your senses off by actually falling into a conscious sleep...
anyway, good luck with all this...... i know it can be quite scary.... one time a week ago I felt as if I had fallen into physical reality, could feel my body in bed and also my body on the floor, my apartment was so dark and empty and lifeless and I felt so insignificant like I was bound to the floor without a true sense of mobility that indeed it scared me and I woke myself up, too.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: Death through meditation [Re: DICK]
#5471478 - 04/02/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
DICK said: this is more in link with my 'energy flow' thread but i need more like a quick answer before going to bed tonight.
read my last post just in case things dont make sense...
but can i meditate myself to death? can i make my heart stop and yet still be alive? if so, for how long??
i meditate through sleep 
so no, dont visualize all cross legged and stuff... i just kinda lie in bed and start controlling my breathing, counting... then before long im asleep and tripping
so yeah... im just asking cause ill be going to bed soon
Yes..
death is birth of another.. birth, is death, of an other..
we always die.. we always keep birthing..
"life is the intentions, and you, intend!" -Unknown...
(being deceased is of/an disease, and that you should not fear, for you would KNOW, if you thought so.. I gotta tell a little storie)
An ?Indian? doctor and writer; Deepak Chopra wrote about a woman, which came to him with a yellowish skin, and complained about stomach pain. ? He ordered an operation, based on the diagnose ?gallstone?, but when they had opened the stomach, the surgeon saw cancer had attacked the stomach and liver, and that there was nothing much to do, but to sow her up again? The daughter, however, did not want to give her mom the notion/notice of ?death?, so she told the doctor; ?do not tell her!?.. ..thus he did, [did not] and told the mother that the gallstone-operation went all Fine!
A year later the mother came back for a routine examination ? without any of the symptoms! And she told the doctor; <<I did believe I had cancer when I last was here to see you, but when it showed to be ?just? gallstone, I decided for myself, that I never again, would think in such a way! >>
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Oh, and BTW.. [Re: Gomp]
#5471517 - 04/02/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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..for as long as, long, could be!
"time is relative, to time!" -unknown :p
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