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OfflineAround In Circles
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2012 DMT and Death
    #9431115 - 12/14/08 03:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Let me know what you guys think.  The site is constantly changing.

www.wedietorememberwhatwelivetoforget.com


New updates June 1.

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #9431470 - 12/14/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Very interesting.

I do wonder if humanity is really going in this direction though, as a whole. I have never had the honour of trying DMT before, not really sure if I would be ready yet, but the vast majority of people have not done anything other that alcohol and I wonder if people will ever make the connection. Even if they are faced with their demise.


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People around here are not paranoid enough. Everyone is a narc and our thoughts are being scanned as we speak. Any minute now a SWAT team is going to crash your door down and take you away for thought crimes.

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #9431692 - 12/14/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Nice...so these are all your words? Your site?

On the topic of DNA, you say the scientists understand 90-97% of what's going on with it? I've been of the impression that the majority of DNA strands had been classified as "junk dna", which a lot is being speculated of late that there are actually 12 full strands of DNA, 10 of them de-activated long ago, so that we live primarily in survival mode. But that w/ discipline and focus, one can begin to re-activate more DNA.

And have you heard of the new children being born in the past 10 yrs or so?...able to be born w/ AIDS, and checked up on a few years later to not have a trace of AIDS/HIV whatsoever! These children seem utterly invincible to bacteria, never get sick, and it is said that they have 3 DNA codons activated which had never been found in humans prior...

That's a phenomenon that seems to be found rather exclusively in the West, whereas in the East(mind-over-matter being the predominant paradigm), they are finding the new wave of children to be Super-psychic...reading cards being flipped in completely different rooms, etc....

Certainly looks like we got ourselves a mass evolution taking place...

I think McKenna was definitely on to something when suggesting that we are on our way to becoming interstellar beings.

And yep DMT is certainly an alchemical key in allowing all the veils to suddenly come off. "Oh wow, everything is based in geometry. I can see the blue-print. I can see the matrix." Oh, the power in AWE.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #9432875 - 12/14/08 09:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I heard that 2012 will bring about the next leap in human evolution. And we'll get tails. Not big ones, but big enough. :naughty:

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Cameron]
    #9433225 - 12/14/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I hear that the Maya never said what was going to happen so I dont understand what all the hubub is


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Cameron]
    #9433559 - 12/14/08 10:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I heard that 2012 will bring about the next leap in human evolution. And we'll get tails. Not big ones, but big enough. :naughty:




sweet, tails, i hope they're quite dexterous and strong enough to hang from.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: learningtofly]
    #9434622 - 12/15/08 01:59 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You'll never get a tail with that attitude. :nonono:

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: flangenips]
    #9434628 - 12/15/08 02:01 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:rave::rave::rave::rave::rave::rave::rave::rave::rave::rave:
:rave::rave: :rockon: Yeah !! Dexterity !! :rockon: :rave::rave:

:rave::rave::rave::rave: 2012 !! :rave::rave::rave::rave:
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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Cameron]
    #9435180 - 12/15/08 06:17 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If there is any substantive change on 2012 it will not have been spontaneous but will have begun at least a century back. So look to the present for roots of the future. Moreover, it is the especially powerful opening up of the West by Buddhist, Hindu, and other yogis and their followers, as well as all the neotheosophists and yippies and new agers and the rest whpo spun a change in the present mind, from that of once stodgy conservatism world wide.

In other words it was especially the provanence of large groups of meditators like those of the Maharishi Effect, and similar such groups. Large meditation groups are symmetry breakers.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: learningtofly]
    #9437494 - 12/15/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I hear that the Maya never said what was going to happen so I dont understand what all the hubub is




The Mayan calendar points towards a singularity about the time of winter solstice 2012. The point at which one world ends and a new begins. Death and Rebirth. Notice the exponentially increasing changes around you. It's as if reality as we know it is almost at the point of climax, ready to burst, and give way to new foundations. In fact new paradigms are already taking place. Notice the magickal qualities inherent in quantum physics today.

The Mayans couldn't feasibly predict the direction in which life would evolve, for to a large degree, this is up to us. What was written in the stars as they saw it, is that we are reaching a major apex, at which point time and life AS WE KNOW IT shall cease. The rules are being re-written. And we are influencing the story, consciously or not, through our desires, intentions, focus and actions. This is no time to sit on the fence, ladies and gentlemen.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Cosmosis]
    #9437927 - 12/15/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I have to come to believe that the Singularity will manifest itself as a catastrophe metaphorically due to personal experience.

On one mushroom trip and several DMT trips I have "seen" the scenario.

Every time its the same deal.

I am at a concert venue, when I look up to see a growing black mass in the sky, the vast majority of people around me begin to panic; crying, running to the exits, collapsing.  However, there are few others around me who "understand and accept" what is going on and we can hear eachothers thoughts as we discern that we are all about to die. "Is this going to hurt?"  After that what I see is completely and utterly inexplicable.  It is what I have come to understand to be God. 

Then I'm back.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Cosmosis]
    #9440701 - 12/15/08 11:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
I hear that the Maya never said what was going to happen so I dont understand what all the hubub is




The Mayan calendar points towards a singularity about the time of winter solstice 2012. The point at which one world ends and a new begins. Death and Rebirth. Notice the exponentially increasing changes around you. It's as if reality as we know it is almost at the point of climax, ready to burst, and give way to new foundations. In fact new paradigms are already taking place. Notice the magickal qualities inherent in quantum physics today.

The Mayans couldn't feasibly predict the direction in which life would evolve, for to a large degree, this is up to us. What was written in the stars as they saw it, is that we are reaching a major apex, at which point time and life AS WE KNOW IT shall cease. The rules are being re-written. And we are influencing the story, consciously or not, through our desires, intentions, focus and actions. This is no time to sit on the fence, ladies and gentlemen.




No.. their calendar just ends on that date. All that was left was an unfinished inscription. Therefore anything and everything that anyone says about it is pure speculation. For all we know the could have just gotten tired and stopped.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: learningtofly]
    #9440886 - 12/15/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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No.. their calendar just ends on that date. All that was left was an unfinished inscription. Therefore anything and everything that anyone says about it is pure speculation. For all we know the could have just gotten tired and stopped.




Very true, yet all ancient texts do point to a time of great significance.

The Hopi and the Mayan talk of entering the next world, or the new world. David Wilcock has mapped out various energy changes occurring both on earth and throughout our solar system. I believe 12/21/12 will be one of many convergences of human consciousness. Its significance will lay in the frontier we cross at that point.

We are surely in for an interesting next few years. :grin:

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: learningtofly]
    #9441791 - 12/16/08 02:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

"An unfinished inscription"? Because it stops, it is considered unfinished? And if this is not the only aspect that has caused you to conclude it must be unfinished, then please fill me in. I must be missing something, as this kind of reasoning would suggest that the very existence of an ending to a book may deem the story unfinished.

Out of compulsion, for I consider the very idea that the ancients so obsessed w/ stars, mathematics and perfection would just get lazy and never bother to finish their work, to be utterly foul...I will expound on the cosmological reasoning behind the end of the mayan calendar.

Before I go on, I'd like to note that one finds it impossible to use the I-Ching to forecast the future beyond the year 2012.

There is a perfect science to why the mayan calendar stops where it does.  There is something called a precession, which involves the earth wobbling on her axis a full 360deg every 26,000 years...in this wobbling, our Sun  comes into alignment w/ the center of the galaxy. This happens once every 26,000 years, and it is happening right now...

The Sun is regarded as the Father deity, or is the inspiration for the father deity in just about every religion, spiritual belief system that ever there was. And just about every great mother-goddess points toward the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy. The virgin mother indeed. That from which all springs forth. What happens when Father unites w/ Mother? Think how similar an orgasm is to the idea of the singularity. So yin and yang re-unite, become one, contract down to a point, and then what? Possibly new creation bursts forth?

Yes, a creation story. THE creation story. At its least mythological. Funny how all the creation stories from all cultures can generally be fit into this.

So then, we come to the conclusion that life, the universe and everything is cyclical. But 1 big cycle would be far too simplistic, wouldn't it? It is theorized that at the 13,000 year marker, when the earth is furthest away from the mother, a darkness begins to descend. Not unlike the decrease in daylight we begin to experience after Summer Solstice. If that 13,000 year mark is like Summer Solstice, then 26,000 must be....why, Winter Solstice! Meaning on a galactic scale, we are in the deepest depths of darkness, soon to crawl out of our caves again to be graced with the light.
Light on the Soul level=Information. Darkness=Ignorance. (For those who may be metaphorically dense.)

Then, w/ the McKenna brothers' Timewave Novelty theory, we can connect the dots even further by recognizing the repetitious pattern by which certain kinds of changes have taken place throughout history as we know it, interestingly speeding up as we hit the crunchpoint, which is 2012.

Cycles within cycles within cycles.

Well, I hope this tangent has provided a few people with a bigger glimpse of the Whole.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Cosmosis]
    #9442939 - 12/16/08 10:32 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Cycles within cycles within cycles.

Well, I hope this tangent has provided a few people with a bigger glimpse of the Whole.




Cosmosis, you are definitely well versed in Terence's ideas and their implications.

Have you smoked DMT?


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #9443077 - 12/16/08 11:07 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:nonono:

I've been obsessed with this molecule for 13 years, and to date, there is still no way of detecting the production of DMT in vivo, only its presence (which is mostly in peripheral tissues rather than the brain). trying to connect it with birth/death and dreams is  anecdotal and severely lacking in evidence; it's mostly metaphysical theory

speculating the 2012 connection with endogenous DMT is like contemplating flying around on a magic carpet.

I actually vaped some yesterday, I love the stuff; and I've read mckenna's  writings as long as I've heard of dmt. the guy has some interesting theories, to say the least...but he was also a bit off his rocker


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #9443177 - 12/16/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I dont think the world will end in 2012 per se,- I think humanity (as we know it) will shift into a new awareness; religions will be saying bye bye and terrorism will all but vanish and we'll all just get along, or it could end in a singular world domination; for self soothing reasons, I like the former.

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: hoodbran]
    #9443610 - 12/16/08 12:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I believe 2012 will bring new paths from higher beings. who ever gets to us first will start our new path. on one side an endless war of a power hungry force, a force deadlier and more ruthless then man ever will be,that will bind man together to achieve  liberation and freedom. or a force of prosperity, who is willing to share and help our race through the nonsense its procured as a false working system.beings that will open our minds to the true fact that all races and lifeforms must band together to truly survive.
  ..or maybe all the systems man has created will come to an end destroying our selfs,a fate fit for true kings of our age.

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: ZackWyldeFan]
    #9443860 - 12/16/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe just some magnent trains even

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: hoodbran]
    #9450407 - 12/17/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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hoodbran said:
I dont think the world will end in 2012 per se,- I think humanity (as we know it) will shift into a new awareness; religions will be saying bye bye and terrorism will all but vanish and we'll all just get along, or it could end in a singular world domination; for self soothing reasons, I like the former.




Don't you think that is overtly naive?

I mean you could say the same about my idea, but the whole New Age idea of 2012 being about an evolution to "higher consciousness" just seems extremely naive.

To think that evil will just disappear without its own paroxysm is just foolish in my opinion.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: learningtofly]
    #9453472 - 12/17/08 11:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
I hear that the Maya never said what was going to happen so I dont understand what all the hubub is




Did the Mayans even know about DMT?

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #9453495 - 12/17/08 11:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The Zeitgeist will end at 2012. The thousands of years of bullshit will end at 2012, and truth will begin.

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #9459608 - 12/19/08 12:17 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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hoodbran said:
I dont think the world will end in 2012 per se,- I think humanity (as we know it) will shift into a new awareness; religions will be saying bye bye and terrorism will all but vanish and we'll all just get along, or it could end in a singular world domination; for self soothing reasons, I like the former.




Don't you think that is overtly naive?

I mean you could say the same about my idea, but the whole New Age idea of 2012 being about an evolution to "higher consciousness" just seems extremely naive.

To think that evil will just disappear without its own paroxysm is just foolish in my opinion.





Ah, for me, there is most definitely a spiritual evolution taking place. This is not to say that what is expected or seen as happening is  that of everything going from shrouded in the deepest of darkness and ignorance, to all of the sudden, "Hey, you guys, look, I'm HOLY!!!" and roses everywhere. In actuality we are being thrown into the craziest turmoil history has seen yet. Faster and harder. BUT. Here's the key. We are being provided with a choice. A choice to say, "This isn't completely out of my hands. I am not held prisoner. I can live how I wanna live and make of the world what I want to." And when people realize this everything begins to lighten up, and in their efforts to change their ways, we are assisted.
The main trouble is everyone assumes their own life is out of their hands. People think they are victims of circumstance.

There is a deep rift manifesting in the perceptions of collective consciousness right now, and in effect, the experience of reality.
As simple as the dark side and the light side. Those in the dark, simply ignorant of their potentials, are being controlled, enslaved, brainwashed, with fear, greed, hate. Given the clearcut impression that the individual is powerless, that one has no choice. Dreams are widely suppressed.

But if one pays attention, there are always clues to be found that this is a wide-scale charade. Once a person takes responsibility for their own projections...it is clear as day, that life is essentially what one makes of it. Then, as if by magick (and I shan't deny that it plays a part somewhere in the manifestations of reality), the more one focuses on what they want to see, do, be, learn in the world, the more that these desires begin to manifest themselves. Upon this waking, more and more people are realizing the ability to affect reality through pure thought. Creating through thought. This is certainly beyond 3rd dimensional rules here. Sacred geometry begins to unfold the secrets to the initiates. Light begins to penetrate the 3rd eye. All simply because the DESIRE is there. The soul is reaching....and in so doing, finds no limits.

Of course, rising up against all the bleak and vile that surrounds us everywhere, to be a beacon of light, is not easy. And it is not meant to be. This is the great experiment, first hand. The greatest test of spirit that's ever been given. But there is guidance to be found. And it's as simple as looking for it. :heart:


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: learningtofly]
    #9481826 - 12/23/08 03:52 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
I hear that the Maya never said what was going to happen so I dont understand what all the hubub is




Well it's a dream, the future is unwritten, flexible enough to change with our psychic fluctuations. I am redirecting my psychic momentum towards love and abundance...orgies and organic veggies, who knows maybe some cool trance festivals :smile:


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: DreamSignals]
    #9482219 - 12/23/08 08:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

dreams are mostly indexed memories, primarily resulting from acetylcholine signaling 
they reflect past experiences, and really don't tell us much about the future.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: piracetam]
    #9482750 - 12/23/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

of course dreams tell you about the future theyre all the little unwritten equations that go on during the day.

why do you think you cant learn anything if you stay up all the time?

for one your brain would be fried by the end of it and two we're meant to function on this level so its not like our brain just goes on a hiatus until we wake up

yea theyre out right bizarre sometimes but even then they are reflecting on you at that moment not some distant far away land were its all sunshine and lepprachuns

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: piracetam]
    #9483376 - 12/23/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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dreams are mostly indexed memories, primarily resulting from acetylcholine signaling 
they reflect past experiences, and really don't tell us much about the future.




Source for this information?


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: piracetam]
    #9484674 - 12/23/08 05:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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dreams are mostly indexed memories, primarily resulting from acetylcholine signaling 
they reflect past experiences, and really don't tell us much about the future.




You can't observe the inside world with your outside senses, at least not yet, we are getting there though, I agree with the OP.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: DreamSignals]
    #9485901 - 12/23/08 09:22 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

In my opinion:

2012 = y2k = Apocalypse = Antichrist = Ad nauseum.

Just another study for Eschatology.

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #10440085 - 06/02/09 07:58 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Bump for update.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #10441147 - 06/02/09 12:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Ive killed mad stuff with my car yo!

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: rebus_minus]
    #10446227 - 06/03/09 07:09 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Just read the first half a few minutes ago. Great stuff in there, thanks for sharing.




Thank you for taking the time.

I appreciate your response, let me know what you think if you get to finish it.

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #10446759 - 06/03/09 10:34 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

If i were to guess what will happen on 2012, i would say that it will be some sort of new found perception will sweep the consciousness of earth, due to the different planet alignments. I think it is some form of evolution, most likely a psychic sense heightening. Or possible the forming of a 5th element on earth.... There's millions of possibilities, thats what makes it so interesting to debate.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: RedRainDrop]
    #10448067 - 06/03/09 02:45 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

meh i was watchin some ufo stuff on the history channel speaking of how the world was destroyed by fire ice wind? so maybe all the electricity we use is enough to push us over the edge

the destruction of ancient relics in the messopotamia region a cover up?

a map of the antartice's land massin precise detail in a time when it was believed it should be frozen? i beleive there was a mini ice age sometime in the early 1700's i remember a painting

stonehenge? a diagram of the inner solar system

the pyrimads at the largest diameters of the earth 22 years with giant stones placed in 9 sec intervals ( A SHITON of slvaes?stem? xmen?)

some place in tical diagramed exactly like orions belt

no soot in the pyrimids from torches? either a light bulb like the bag dad batterie or maybe a really good cleaning service

diamond cut rocks
percise blah blah blah

all weird stuff perhaps showing the power of the human mind up to this point

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #10448135 - 06/03/09 02:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I think DMT has alot to do with the Scientology. I do not know alot of it but what I saw on South Park. It kind of all makes sense to me.

K I have the the 2012 book in my hands and there is something about NN-dimethlytryptamine in the index Ill see what else it says.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: PeNgUiNy]
    #10448194 - 06/03/09 03:04 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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I think DMT has alot to do with the Scientology. I do not know alot of it but what I saw on South Park. It kind of all makes sense to me.




How so?

SP isn't the best source...

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #10450141 - 06/03/09 08:48 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

The word Scientology literally means "the study of truth." It comes from the Latin word "scio" meaning "knowing in the fullest sense of the word" and the Greek word "logos" meaning "study of."

Scientology is the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, others and all of life. The Scientology religion comprises a body of knowledge extending from certain fundamental truths. Prime among these:

Man is an immortal, spiritual being. His experience extends well beyond a single lifetime. His capabilities are unlimited, even if not presently realized — and those capabilities can be realized. He is able to not only solve his own problems, accomplish his goals and gain lasting happiness, but also achieve new, higher states of awareness and ability.

In Scientology no one is asked to accept anything as belief or on faith. That which is true for you is what you have observed to be true. An individual discovers for himself that Scientology works by personally applying its principles and observing or experiencing results.

Through Scientology, people all over the world are achieving the long-sought goal of true spiritual release and freedom.
http://www.scientology.org/home.html

Sounds like blasting off to me.. :deemsters:

And for the 2012 book I quickly skeemed through it and it just talks about the experinces they had when they blasted off.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: PeNgUiNy]
    #10450319 - 06/03/09 09:17 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I figure by 2012 the 6th Mass Extinction event will seem more like an actual impending reality than it currently is.


Overpopulation and decreasing water/food supply will ensure that things will continue to get more and more interesting.



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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #10482897 - 06/10/09 02:37 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

One last update.

Here is a tidbit:

Once an enlightened individual has come to equate his formerly separate self with the eternal universe, he will then come to the subsequent realization that mankind as a whole will also come to such an equation as a final consummation. This epiphany that mankind shall ultimately realize himself to be his own progenitor is the worlds most perennial, yet esoteric, eschatology. On a microcosmic level,man as an individual comes to realize his eternal nature upon dying and he does this so as to will himself again. Macrocosmically the universe, via mankind, comes to its own consummation at the end of biological evolution, so as to start itself anew as well. This intuitive extrapolation stems directly from the understanding that man must die to self in order to realize his true nature; the original sin of being incarnated in matter must be transcended by both the temporal microcosmic individual and the eternal macrocosmic persona in order to reach consummation. This understanding forms the entire ground upon which all modern apocalyptic thought is based.

The oneness of the universe imparts to the enlightened mind that all shall return to it, often without warning, and the concrescent nature of the universe not only implies this, but makes it necessary by means of its evolutionary dynamics. The death of the material body, as seen from this point of view, is a microcosmic concrescence for human beings, as it is without a doubt a consummation of an individual’s life and the event itself is transformative for the directly affected. It is a temporally dense event which, by nature of its emotional gravity, affects the very matrix of causality in which it is embedded. Macrocosmically, the end of mankind, will be both a consummation and an event that transforms temporality itself. Essentially, at the end of an individuals life, eternity is realized and due reflection is allowed before the will to forget is reached. The very same will be for the end of mankind; eternity will be realized in the aftermath of the death of vegetable existence and consciousness, having thus transcended matter, will have realized itself to be eternal, which represents the end goal of self reflection; the end of the universe; the precursor to the metaphorical big bang. We start over again in complete ignorance of our former
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    #10487514 - 06/11/09 11:01 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: dr_gonz]
    #10487679 - 06/11/09 11:41 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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excellent thread.

i really want to experience dmt




Work yourself up to it.

You have to be psychically sound before you are truly able to break through on any psychedelic.

Be careful, read as much as possible, and let go.

You'll come back.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #10488698 - 06/11/09 02:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I heard one great 2012 theory that it is a window for the 'launching' of soul-groups to other parts of the galaxy by projecting into the heart of the Sun at solar maxima.

It helps to not worry about coming back when you leave, what's there to come back to anyway?

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #10489260 - 06/11/09 04:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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The very same will be for the end of mankind; eternity will be realized in the aftermath of the death of vegetable existence and consciousness, having thus transcended matter, will have realized itself to be eternal, which represents the end goal of self reflection; the end of the universe; the precursor to the metaphorical big bang. We start over again in complete ignorance of our former
existence in order to experience it all over, anew.




I dont entirely agree.

After 2012 for those who wish to enter the higher vibration , the forgetting process is no longer necessary.

This veil serves a purpose. Once that purpose is accomplished it will no longer be present... actually.. it would be an obstacle.


My view is a bit different.

I think we consciously group up...
Individuals come to form a social memory complex.

This memory complex begins its evolution on an individual level.. as one being.
Thus grouping again with other complexes.
This goes on and on.. forever.
We just keep jumping in scale.

WE never go back  and experience it all over again.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: jivJaN]
    #10490152 - 06/11/09 06:34 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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I think we consciously group up...
Individuals come to form a social memory complex.

This memory complex begins its evolution on an individual level.. as one being.
Thus grouping again with other complexes.
This goes on and on.. forever.
We just keep jumping in scale.




I tend to agree.  :smile:


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: deCypher]
    #10490245 - 06/11/09 06:48 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

As do I..very good thread.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: jivJaN]
    #10492958 - 06/12/09 07:23 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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The very same will be for the end of mankind; eternity will be realized in the aftermath of the death of vegetable existence and consciousness, having thus transcended matter, will have realized itself to be eternal, which represents the end goal of self reflection; the end of the universe; the precursor to the metaphorical big bang. We start over again in complete ignorance of our former existence in order to experience it all over, anew.




I dont entirely agree.

After 2012 for those who wish to enter the higher vibration , the forgetting process is no longer necessary.

This veil serves a purpose. Once that purpose is accomplished it will no longer be present... actually.. it would be an obstacle.


My view is a bit different.

I think we consciously group up...
Individuals come to form a social memory complex.

This memory complex begins its evolution on an individual level.. as one being.
Thus grouping again with other complexes.
This goes on and on.. forever.
We just keep jumping in scale.

WE never go back  and experience it all over again.




Well that is your opinion.

I have been lead to believe otherwise.

Enter the second law of thermodynamics:

On a Finite Universe with no Beginning or End

Peter Lynds

"If the universe were positively spatially curved and destined for a big crunch, this naturally posed the question of what might happen next. There seemed to be two general options: either the universe would contract to a singularity, a point of infinite density and geometric space-time curvature, and everything would cease to be; or alternatively, it might bounce back with a great explosion. This big bounce would be much like, or possibly exactly the same as, the big bang before it. If the latter, and the universe had exactly the same configuration as the previous big bang, not only would the explosion be exactly the same, but so too would the entire evolution of the universe following it. Such cyclic ideas, whether the universe is thought to be exactly the same in each cycle, or completely different, are not new. Before the Christian view of history took hold, where things are always seen to take place in a linear fashion and only once, cyclic views of the world and cosmos were the prevalent belief in ancient times...

The natural question then became, what would happen if the second law of thermodynamics were breached? People such as Hawking [8, 11] and Gold [9, 10] had assumed that all physical processes would go into reverse. In other words, they had assumed that events would take place in the direction in which entropy was decreasing, rather than increasing as we observe today. Furthermore, they had assumed that entropy would decrease in the direction in which the universe contracted towards a big crunch (in their case, towards what we call the big bang). But if the second law correctly holds, on a large scale, entropy should still always increase. Indeed, what marks it out so much from the other laws of physics in the first place, is that it is asymmetric . it is not reversible. If all of the laws of physics, with the exception of the second law of thermodynamics, are time symmetric and can equally be reversed, it became apparent that if faced with a situation where entropy might be forced to decrease rather than increase, rather than actually doing so, the order of events should simply reverse, so that the order in which they took place would still be in the direction in which entropy was increasing. The second law would continue to hold, events would remain continuous, and no other law of physics would be contravened...

Although if viewed from our normal conception of past and future (where we make a differentiation), the universe would repeat over and over an infinite number of times, and could also be said to have done so in the past. Crucially, however, if one thinks about what is actually happening in respect to time, no universe is in the future or past of another one. It is exactly the same version, once, and it is non-cyclic. If so desired, one might also picture the situation as an infinite number of the same universe repeating at exactly the same time. But again, if properly taking into account what is happening in respect to time, in actuality, there is no infinite number of universes. It is one and the same."

"Peter Lynds has proposed a model in which time is cyclic, and the universe repeats exactly an infinite number of times. Because it is the exact same cycle that repeats, however, it can also be interpreted as happening just once in relation to time."



http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0612/0612053.pdf

Essentially, all energy which exists inside the closed vacuum of the universe is in the eternal act of oscillating (expanding and contracting) from its primordial source, the big bang/ big crunch. After the big bang, due to the second law of thermodynamics, the universe eventually condenses to a point where it cannot contract any longer without violating the second law. By this law, the configuration will be forced to reverse itself (instantaneously, as there is no such thing as time) back to the primordial source (as an explosion). Since energy cannot be created, nor destroyed, the events will all be the exact same. The big bang is the big crunch in reciprocal relation.

This brings us back to the question of the chicken or the egg, but since time is simply an illusion, the question is moot. We are all of the same primordial source, and our very existence is merely a representation of this primordial energy obeying its eternal law. There is only one moment which is the eternal universe.

All that is straight lies.

Time is a circle.

We are destined to eternal repetition of the same.

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #10494565 - 06/12/09 02:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

You're only talking about the physical.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: jivJaN]
    #10498924 - 06/13/09 09:38 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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You're only talking about the physical.




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    #10514075 - 06/15/09 10:34 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Nice...so these are all your words? Your site?

On the topic of DNA, you say the scientists understand 90-97% of what's going on with it? I've been of the impression that the majority of DNA strands had been classified as "junk dna", which a lot is being speculated of late that there are actually 12 full strands of DNA, 10 of them de-activated long ago, so that we live primarily in survival mode. But that w/ discipline and focus, one can begin to re-activate more DNA.

And have you heard of the new children being born in the past 10 yrs or so?...able to be born w/ AIDS, and checked up on a few years later to not have a trace of AIDS/HIV whatsoever! These children seem utterly invincible to bacteria, never get sick, and it is said that they have 3 DNA codons activated which had never been found in humans prior...

That's a phenomenon that seems to be found rather exclusively in the West, whereas in the East(mind-over-matter being the predominant paradigm), they are finding the new wave of children to be Super-psychic...reading cards being flipped in completely different rooms, etc....

Certainly looks like we got ourselves a mass evolution taking place...

I think McKenna was definitely on to something when suggesting that we are on our way to becoming interstellar beings.

And yep DMT is certainly an alchemical key in allowing all the veils to suddenly come off. "Oh wow, everything is based in geometry. I can see the blue-print. I can see the matrix." Oh, the power in AWE.





so how do you reactivate them?

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: dieselkush]
    #10515589 - 06/16/09 07:27 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Cosmosis said:
Nice...so these are all your words? Your site?

On the topic of DNA, you say the scientists understand 90-97% of what's going on with it? I've been of the impression that the majority of DNA strands had been classified as "junk dna", which a lot is being speculated of late that there are actually 12 full strands of DNA, 10 of them de-activated long ago, so that we live primarily in survival mode. But that w/ discipline and focus, one can begin to re-activate more DNA.

And have you heard of the new children being born in the past 10 yrs or so?...able to be born w/ AIDS, and checked up on a few years later to not have a trace of AIDS/HIV whatsoever! These children seem utterly invincible to bacteria, never get sick, and it is said that they have 3 DNA codons activated which had never been found in humans prior...

That's a phenomenon that seems to be found rather exclusively in the West, whereas in the East(mind-over-matter being the predominant paradigm), they are finding the new wave of children to be Super-psychic...reading cards being flipped in completely different rooms, etc....

Certainly looks like we got ourselves a mass evolution taking place...

I think McKenna was definitely on to something when suggesting that we are on our way to becoming interstellar beings.

And yep DMT is certainly an alchemical key in allowing all the veils to suddenly come off. "Oh wow, everything is based in geometry. I can see the blue-print. I can see the matrix." Oh, the power in AWE.





so how do you reactivate them?




Stress.

‘Junk’ DNA assists evolution

http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20090604-18994.html

In a co-authored report, due to be published in the prestigious BioEssays journal, the researchers argue that transposable elements (TEs) – or what is colloquially termed jumping genes, selfish or junk DNA, have a critical role in ensuring the survival of biological lineages.

Without this DNA junk, a species is effectively frozen and faces eventual extinction.

On the other hand, species with genomes with high TE activity or strong presence of identical TEs possess a greater ability to evolve, diversify and survive.

Take for example humans, rodents and bats.

As primates some 46 per cent of the human genome is comprised of TEs while other mammals such as rodents and bats are known to possess around 40 per cent.

These TE’s are generally suppressed in the ordinary body cells of most species but are allowed to reactivate in reproductive cells for the potential benefit of the next generation.

Their activity can also be triggered when they suddenly hop between species or by stress.


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #10529376 - 06/18/09 10:04 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

harmless bump :stoned:


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: dr_gonz]
    #10529988 - 06/18/09 12:16 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I read the main article just a few minutes ago. All I can think to say is... WOW... this is some pretty deep shit...

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    #10529996 - 06/18/09 12:18 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

the age of pisces ends in 2012 .... and the age of aquarius is born.. the world will not end kids.... sorry to upset u!!! AND BTW
DMT is a portal to the afterlife.. no joke.

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    #10530605 - 06/18/09 02:16 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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the age of pisces ends in 2012 .... and the age of aquarius is born.. the world will not end kids.... sorry to upset u!!! AND BTW
DMT is a portal to the afterlife.. no joke.





I'm like a broken record around here...


Actually, the change of signs doesn't occur for another thousand years or so, astronomically speaking.

Astrologically speaking, I guess you're right. Where did you learn this disinfo?

Pseudo-science:

Basically, you can get away with claiming just about anything as long as there isn't someone else more intelligent around to critique you; its like a little club for ignoramus bandwagoners.

That's why the New Age is such a sorry joke.

"We're entering the Photon Belt/Galactic Alignment is occurring etc etc"

I only wish that some sensible people attended those workshops/seminars given by these dull hacks. It would be hilarious to question their "divinations"


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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #10533214 - 06/18/09 09:39 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

well i heard thaat dmt stuff was actually a clear sort of power i wasnt payin attention to anything else if you catch my drift

but i heard a spinal tap could determine if you had done acid or not?

i know that sounds insane but is that possible!>?

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    #10535777 - 06/19/09 09:43 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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aiyobro said:
well i heard thaat dmt stuff was actually a clear sort of power i wasnt payin attention to anything else if you catch my drift

but i heard a spinal tap could determine if you had done acid or not?

i know that sounds insane but is that possible!>?




Your question is confusing at best.

DMT, if extracted correctly, is a white/yellow crystal-like substance; waxy, yet chrystalline.

A spinal tap could determine if you are doing acid. I'm pretty sure that acid doesn't stay in your system long enough, let alone DMT. DMT metabolizes too quickly and completely to show up on ANY test unless you are tripping on it and have blood work done.

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Around In Circles]
    #10537893 - 06/19/09 03:50 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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We just keep jumping in scale.




Aw boo! No fireworks or aliens?

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    #10538447 - 06/19/09 05:26 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Aw boo! No fireworks or aliens?




On the contrary..

Lots of em.


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: 2012 DMT and Death [Re: Arden]
    #10564113 - 06/24/09 10:38 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Shameless bump.

:eek:


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