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funguyism
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: WIZOLZ]
#5502698 - 04/11/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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how is it we have a soul, but the individual parts that make us up do not? i feel the only reason we think we have a soul stems from the same thing almost everything else does....the fear of death.
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: funguyism]
#5504030 - 04/11/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I do not fear death at all, and I "Think" I have a soul. I don't get what you are trying to say.
-------------------- "People living deeply have no fear of death." "Love the animals, love the plants, love everything. If you love everything, you will perceive the divine mystery in things. Once you perceive it, you will begin to comprehend it better every day. And you will come at last to love the whole world with an all-embracing love." "Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings."
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Ekstaza
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David_vs_Goliath said: I do not fear death at all, and I "Think" I have a soul. I don't get what you are trying to say.
What do you think happens when you die?
-------------------- YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH ANY GIVEN DRUG ISN'T THE DEFINITIVE MEASURE OF THE DRUGS EFFECTS.
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funguyism
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: Ekstaza]
#5505884 - 04/11/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i would love to know that we lived forever, but no one really knows for sure do they?
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: funguyism]
#5507997 - 04/12/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you want to discuss soul, you first have to decide on which model to use. The word alone does not suffice in order to discuss the subject.
The Scholastics from Thomas Aquinas on, stated that, like a holographic model of today, the entire soul is present in every point of the human being. The Kabbalists have a tripartite division of soul:
"Nefesh, Neshamah and Ruah
From the teachings of Kabbalah, the three stages of consciousness connected to roots, trunk and branches are referred to as the Nefesh, the Neshamah, and the Ruah.
The Nefesh is the vital soul connected primarily to the body, the Neshamah is the living soul connected primarily to the psyche, and the Ruah is our spiritual body, connected to the transpersonal aspect of our being but also interfaces with the Divine. As we climb the Tree of Life and work through each of the seven initiations, the Nefesh, Neshamah and Ruah develop and begin to function in their awakened and optimum state.
When we awaken and harness the Nefesh, we will know how to bring our instinctive power into the world.
When we awaken and harness the Neshamah, we will know how to express our heart and truth to the world.
When we awaken and harness the Ruah, we will know how to bring our spiritual wisdom and knowledge into the world.
In order to awaken and harness the Nefesh, Neshamah and Ruah, we must climb the 7 stages of the Tree and as we do, shift our center of consciousness up the central pillar or Sapphire Staff. In the diagram, the three sections are encircled and are focused around three main Sephirot on the central pillar: Yesod, Tiferet and Daat.
Yesod lies at the center of the root system and when healthy, provides the Tree with a strong foundation. The Nefesh or vital soul is located here nourishing the roots of the Tree with physical and instinctual vitality.
The central Sephirah, Tiferet, translates: "truth, beauty and goodness" and lies at the heart of the trunk section, providing the integrity and the upward thrusting direction of the Tree. The Neshamah or living soul is found here, nourishing the trunk.
The upper circle is focused around Daat, which translates "knowledge" and lies at the center of the branches, helping us branch out to a spiritual perspective and increase in wisdom and knowledge. The Ruah is located here, nourishing the branches and the fruit that will eventually flower and ripen."
In the Kabbalistic scheme of spiritual growth, when one's consciousness moves up the Tree of Life, crossing what is called 'The Veil of Paroketh,' and one comes to identify oneself primarily with the sphere called Tiphereth (Beauty) then one stops thinking that one 'has' a soul and realizes that one IS a soul - an embodied soul, but a soul first and foremost. We are, after all, human beings, not human mammals. We may choose to act 'as though' we are merely mammals and the result is that we simply live the existence of an animal: survival, territoriality and power, sexuality, acquisitiveness. You know, the lifestyle of the everyday rapper.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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MarkostheGnostic said: We are, after all, human beings, not human mammals. We may choose to act 'as though' we are merely mammals and the result is that we simply live the existence of an animal: survival, territoriality and power, sexuality, acquisitiveness. You know, the lifestyle of the everyday rapper.
egotistical aren't we?
Why do some people try to elevate us beyond what we really are, sophisticated animals?
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: Ekstaza]
#5509971 - 04/12/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i personally believe the exact nature of the human soul or spirit is not something that is or needs to be defined in terms of conceptual definition and language rather we need to connect with it on a deeper emotional intuitional level. whether or not we know its exact nature isnt vital to the ending of the suffering for sentient beings, and anyone far enough along a path of the spirit will come to knowledge of these things in and of themselves. has humanity been neglecting its spirtitual side recently? yes and no. we see the rise and exponential unfolding of technology and organized religion with little to no emphasis on spiritual advancement but rather following dogma and doctrine. on the other hand we see revivals in things like kaballah, yoga, tai chi, martial arts, shamanic healing,psychedelics and many other ways of coming in tune with what is spirit. perhaps karma will kick in high gear someday and we will truly return to living as a sentient species with its focus on matters trasncendent of materialistic and survival values. someday...
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: Ekstaza]
#5511899 - 04/13/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ekstaza said:
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MarkostheGnostic said: We are, after all, human beings, not human mammals. We may choose to act 'as though' we are merely mammals and the result is that we simply live the existence of an animal: survival, territoriality and power, sexuality, acquisitiveness. You know, the lifestyle of the everyday rapper.
egotistical aren't we?
Why do some people try to elevate us beyond what we really are, sophisticated animals?
Speak for yourself. Obviously we have different vantage points and my perspective seems to be more elevated than yours. Egotistical? No, just a higher perspective. We both have 'perspectives,' that is what ego means.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Ekstaza
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MarkostheGnostic said: Speak for yourself. Obviously we have different vantage points and my perspective seems to be more elevated than yours. Egotistical? No, just a higher perspective. We both have 'perspectives,' that is what ego means.
I still say Egotistical! ! !
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: Ekstaza]
#9198294 - 11/06/08 09:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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You don't have to believe in afterlife to believe in god(although this isn't me). This is the mistake and assumption most atheists make. I was raised an atheist, and I completely disagree with atheism now. You know why? Because the universe is god, one and the same. There is no difference, if you ask me to define god, I will say god = the universe. Beauty is the purpose, if you live your life to enjoy life, then that is your purpose. If you live your life to eat McDonalds, then that is your purpose. The beauty of life around you is god. Want to find god look around.
I am god, you are god, and the pencil on my desk is god. God is not some magical guy waving a wand, he is you, and everything that you think and feel, and everything that is the universe. Existentialism is what its called, and you know what else exists in the universe? Choices, and morals. You create your own morals, but you still make choices, so I would follow whatever conscience you personally have.
My family are almost all scientists with doctorates who realize that science is completely separate from spirituality, besides maybe my grandfather, biologists, physiologists, you name it. You know why, because we EXIST. If there was nothing there would BE NOTHING.
The fact that I exist is the only proof I need, because my god is the universe.
When you other scientists can prove that the universe doesn't exist come knock on my door, until then, open your mind.
Edited by JourneyYourMind (11/06/08 09:04 PM)
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: WIZOLZ]
#9198736 - 11/06/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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WIZOLZ said: With all our advancments and freedoms of this world and society, have we sacrificed the knowledge of our soul and sentenced it to its demise?
Neuroscience will either slay the soul or liberate it.
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: WIZOLZ]
#9209053 - 11/08/08 08:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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WIZOLZ said: I have felt the torment of my lust and also the undescribable realization of its vulnrability, ecspecially in these years of maturity...Though confusion still sits on my shoulder.
Those words right there really resonate with me right now. Great words!
....wow old thread, lol.
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: Ekstaza]
#9209836 - 11/09/08 12:01 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ekstaza said:
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MarkostheGnostic said: Speak for yourself. Obviously we have different vantage points and my perspective seems to be more elevated than yours. Egotistical? No, just a higher perspective. We both have 'perspectives,' that is what ego means.
I still say Egotistical! ! !
I can relate to what you're saying in some ways but I think your weakness is that you're too sure about everything your saying, it seems you don't doubt that your exactly right, and the truth is that no-one in this world really knows anything more than anyone else about what happens after we die or why the fuck this place exists. But I find comfort in the belief that I am god, just as you are your own god.
edit: i was replying to Ekstaza's posts if it wasn't clear
Edited by Jufin (11/09/08 12:08 AM)
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: WIZOLZ]
#9211848 - 11/09/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does any one agree with me?
Please, share your thoughts.
No.
Belief in soul is nothing more than death anxiety.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: Icelander]
#9211849 - 11/09/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Belief in soul is nothing more than death anxiety.
What if you believe in a mortal soul?
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Re: The Death of the Soul... [Re: deCypher]
#9211868 - 11/09/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know anyone who does this. But that would certainly change things.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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