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Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters:
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April 9 (Bloomberg) -- Now that we have a rough idea how President Barack Obama and his lieutenants plan to prop up insolvent financial institutions using taxpayers’ money, we’re left with a more difficult question:

Why?

Why doesn’t the Obama administration force insolvent banks and insurance companies to come clean about their losses first? It’s the “why” that’s so vexing. The who, what, when, and how are mere details, by comparison.

More than anyone else’s, it should be in Obama’s political self-interest to accelerate the worst of the financial crisis and get as much of the inevitable pain behind us as quickly as possible. Every day he waits is one less day he will have between the time we hit rock bottom and the next election. And yet, Obama and his minions are doing all they can to delay the reckoning, which only will make it worse.

Obama could have ordered all U.S. financial institutions to immediately confess whatever losses they hadn’t yet recognized. And he could have backed that up by vowing to prosecute every officer, director and auditor the Justice Department could find who had approved numbers they knew to be wrong.

Obama didn’t do that.

And now, six months into the government’s Troubled Asset Relief Program, his administration’s approach to the financial crisis is largely indistinguishable from its predecessor’s. The only objective, it seems, is to buy time, in hopes that an economic recovery somehow will materialize and lift the financial system back to health.

The Obama administration’s “strategy,” for lack of a better word, is to keep plying broken financial institutions with as much taxpayer money as the government can print. And so the government will keep subsidizing failed mega-banks indefinitely, rather than placing any into receivership or liquidating them.

Taxpayers at Risk

The latest iteration of this policy is the Treasury Department’s Public-Private Investment Program. In short, struggling financial institutions will be encouraged to swap their most toxic mortgage-related assets with one another at inflated prices. The purchases will be financed by big government loans, so that taxpayers are at risk for the bulk of any losses.

If the government wanted transparency, it would force financial institutions to write down their bad assets now, and figure out afterward which companies deserve taxpayer support. Instead, the Treasury plans to recapitalize them first, keep their current financial condition hidden, and let their failed managers stay in their jobs.

The key assumption underlying this plan is that the declines in the values of these companies’ toxic assets are the result of private investors’ temporary reluctance to buy them, and that prices will rebound if Treasury can revive the markets where these assets trade.

Proper Values

The Treasury hasn’t explained why it believes the assets’ proper values are their original book values, rather than the prices unsubsidized investors are willing to pay for them. (This is one of the points made in an April 7 report by the U.S. bailout program’s Congressional Oversight Panel.) If Treasury’s hunch proves wrong, the government will need to rely on something other than a rising economy to restore the banks to solvency.

So why don’t Obama, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke force the banks to write down their troubled assets first, as a condition of government assistance? We can only speculate, because their explanations so far have made no sense.

Perhaps they’re scared the markets would panic if large, insolvent financial institutions started telling investors just how undercapitalized they are. There’s the distinct chance some of Obama’s advisers are beholden to failed banksters, because they used to work for them and may want to do so again someday.

Manpower Shortage

There also could be a manpower problem. The government might not have enough employees to seize all those sickly banks and supervise the process of winding them down. Probably, it’s some combination of those and other factors.

Why else would the Treasury tell the 19 biggest U.S. banks to undergo “stress tests” of their financial health, and then put the banks in charge of performing the tests on themselves? Those reasons also might help explain why regulators pressured the board that sets U.S. accounting standards to weaken the rules on mark-to-market accounting, so the banks could hide their losses and show more capital.

Whatever the case, as long as the government refuses to remove the cancer of zombie banks from our financial system, there’s little hope the U.S. will return to robust economic growth anytime soon. And the longer our wounded banks are allowed to stagger along with no end-game in sight, the greater the risk for Obama that voters will conclude he’s as responsible for blowing the cleanup as others were for causing the crisis.

He’d better act soon. Time may not be our side any longer.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_weil&sid=aNMQDysdnKRc



" There’s the distinct chance some of Obama’s advisers are beholden to failed banksters, because they used to work for them and may want to do so again someday. "



BINGO!



Where is the transparency that Obama promised?????


how much longer is he going to let this go on? its like watch a fucking train wreck!


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
" There?s the distinct chance some of Obama?s advisers are beholden to failed banksters, because they used to work for them and may want to do so again someday. "



BINGO!



I don't think so.  It's more likely "The only objective, it seems, is to buy time, in hopes that an economic recovery somehow will materialize and lift the financial system back to health."


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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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you could be right, but while Obama is waiting for the economic recovery we could go from a recession to a DEPRESSION....


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
you could be right, but while Obama is waiting for the economic recovery we could go from a recession to a DEPRESSION....



I'm with you.  It's obvious that capitalism has failed, so why is Obama trying to prop up a dead system?


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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: TGRR]
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capitalism?

this is  capitalism?

what do we produce anymore besides bubbles? :grin:


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:




capitalism?

this is  capitalism?

what do we produce anymore besides bubbles? :grin:



Capitalism does not require actual production, it seems.

It just requires more MBAs, jabbering more useless shit.


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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
you could be right, but while Obama is waiting for the economic recovery we could go from a recession to a DEPRESSION....



I doubt it.  Not with $1 trillion+ coming into the economy.

Spending more than you have is the idiot proof way to temporarily fix an economy.  Reagan clearly demonstrated that.  His "trickle down economics", and "tax cuts increases tax revenue" were all bullshit.  Spending what you don't have is a great short term stimulus, and not only do you get to spend that money, but you get a huge chunk of it back again in new taxes that you get to spend again (that's why Reagan was able to raise more taxes even with a tax cut).

It's not a fix I am crazy about, but if capitalism is crumbling, we might as well fix up our infrastructure (roads, transportation, schools, alternative energy, etc) before we go bust.  Or we just go bust now by supporting the teabag parties.

As a side note, it was clearly the banking industry that destroyed the economy, not Bush or Clinton (if you want to blame Clinton for eliminating depression era banking regulations, I'll give you that if you acknowledge it was a republican proposal).  Banking clearly needs to be nationalized, or at least very highly regulated to help the country's long term survival.


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (04/12/09 12:42 PM)

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Quote:
It's not a fix I am crazy about, but if capitalism is crumbling, we might as well fix up our infrastructure (roads, transportation, schools, alternative energy, etc) before we go bust.  Or we just go bust now by supporting the teabag parties.



:werd:

It's funny how conservatives who are against the government's stimulus plan always hate the idea of using those inferstructure projects to keep the economy running. Particularity the last one (not etc). But they loved it when Reagan/Bushes spent out of control even when there was no recession. To to Reagan's credit he showed some restraint after his ended.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

Edited by ScavengerType (04/12/09 01:26 PM)

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: ScavengerType]
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ScavengerType said:
To to Reagan's credit he showed some restraint after his ended.



"Some" wasn't much:



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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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wow look at the contrast between Clinton's assent to a surplus budget and W's plummet to a severe deficit. My point was that Reagan rolled back some of his tax cuts and this is the reason for that slight decrease in deficit spending. The amount of money represented in that is quite a bit. However as I contrasted in the healthcare thread, national spending is part and parcel of total deficit and privatization as well as other externalized costs that went on under said governments are not factored in to how much it is costing the country as a whole. Bad environmental regulation for instance can lead to an increase in cancer and an increase in future medical debt that becomes part of foreign debt for example through borrowing. A healthcare system to support this person or environmental regulation to prevent them from getting it may look like a net loss on a budget, but it may actually be decreasing overall deficit of a country.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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If Capitalism is failing who's winning?:confused:

I sure don't see any viable replacment and im wondering what the hell you guys are talking about.:shrug:

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: ScavengerType]
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Agreed.  :peace:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: buckwheat]
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buckwheat said:
If Capitalism is failing who's winning?:confused:



No one is winning.  The world economy is pretty fucked right now thanks to unregulated banking, and there's no real fix in sight.
buckwheat said:
I sure don't see any viable replacment and im wondering what the hell you guys are talking about.:shrug:



We're talking about the worldwide recession that will get much worse now if nothing is done, or will get much worse later if something is done now.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I think anyone buying up undervalued resources is likely to profit from this failure of capitalism.

Even if America fails the world economy will figure out how to move along without it. In America the problems are in it's economy, and in the rest of the world it's their relationship with America. If they can't work together they will learn to work apart.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: ScavengerType]
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Quote:
In America the problems are in it's economy, and in the rest of the world it's their relationship with America.



Are you sincerely stating that the rest of the world is not having economic problems?

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
buckwheat said:
If Capitalism is failing who's winning?:confused:



No one is winning.  The world economy is pretty fucked right now thanks to unregulated banking, and there's no real fix in sight.




This was indeed caused through unregulated banking.But the regulation missing could have also been Capitalism. Capitalism already has a answer to idiot bankers it's letting them pay dearly for their mistakes.That has the same effect as a regulation. We took that away. We socialized the risk and privatized the profit.Through Government intervention.

If this where not the case i think those ghoulish money zombies called bankers and CEO's would have made the Capitalism experiment more volatile than it has been.

What appears to be a lack of regulation is two systems uncalibrated. Because of intervention Capitalism doesnt have accountability. And because of Capitalism Government didnt have the ability to intervene. You can thank the ineptitude of both congresses for that.

Anyway my point is this crisis is a fuck up of the two. Before it we had our version and Europe had theirs. Seeing how we perform much better than them  i see no need to change from the way it was.

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: buckwheat]
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buckwheat said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
buckwheat said:
If Capitalism is failing who's winning?:confused:



No one is winning.  The world economy is pretty fucked right now thanks to unregulated banking, and there's no real fix in sight.




This was indeed caused through unregulated banking.But the regulation missing could have also been Capitalism. Capitalism already has a answer to idiot bankers it's letting them pay dearly for their mistakes.That has the same effect as a regulation. We took that away. We socialized the risk and privatized the profit.Through Government intervention.

If this where not the case i think those ghoulish money zombies called bankers and CEO's would have made the Capitalism experiment more volatile than it has been.

What appears to be a lack of regulation is two systems uncalibrated. Because of intervention Capitalism doesnt have accountability. And because of Capitalism Government didnt have the ability to intervene. You can thank the ineptitude of both congresses for that.

Anyway my point is this crisis is a fuck up of the two. Before it we had our version and Europe had theirs. Seeing how we perform much better than them  i see no need to change from the way it was.



Wait.  What?

The solution to problems caused by deregulation is more deregulation?


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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: buckwheat]
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If we repeat "capitalism is failing" and "europe must be doing great because I only hear how bad we are doing" a couple more times in this thread I'm sure it will make it true.




What exactly is the failure of capitalism and how do you know it to be such?


Just a bunch of chanting in this thread.

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: TGRR]
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TGRR said:
buckwheat said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
buckwheat said:
If Capitalism is failing who's winning?:confused:



No one is winning.  The world economy is pretty fucked right now thanks to unregulated banking, and there's no real fix in sight.




This was indeed caused through unregulated banking.But the regulation missing could have also been Capitalism. Capitalism already has a answer to idiot bankers it's letting them pay dearly for their mistakes.That has the same effect as a regulation. We took that away. We socialized the risk and privatized the profit.Through Government intervention.

If this where not the case i think those ghoulish money zombies called bankers and CEO's would have made the Capitalism experiment more volatile than it has been.

What appears to be a lack of regulation is two systems uncalibrated. Because of intervention Capitalism doesnt have accountability. And because of Capitalism Government didnt have the ability to intervene. You can thank the ineptitude of both congresses for that.

Anyway my point is this crisis is a fuck up of the two. Before it we had our version and Europe had theirs. Seeing how we perform much better than them  i see no need to change from the way it was.



Wait.  What?

The solution to problems caused by deregulation is more deregulation?



No  I said Capitalism acts as regulation because you pay for you mistakes and that keeps people in check.. But because of government intervention particularly the Community Reinvestment act we took that away.Like i said we Privatized the profit and socialized the risk for places like Freddie Mack and Fanny mae. That is not Capitalism.

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Re: Obama Stakes His Fortunes on Failed Banksters: [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
If we repeat "capitalism is failing" and "europe must be doing great because I only hear how bad we are doing" a couple more times in this thread I'm sure it will make it true.




What exactly is the failure of capitalism and how do you know it to be such?


Just a bunch of chanting in this thread.



What? Im actually defending Capitalism

Did you reply to the wrong person or are my ramblings that incoherent.:lol:

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