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Re: Sen. Obama Warns TV to Clean Up or Congress Will Act [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4926854 - 11/12/05 08:08 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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many on this thread talk like an obvious political ploy is a bad thing. how is a lefty dem going to get elected unless mr and mrs schmuck find him to be a benign source of family values? get real, people.

the fact that he can pull a hillary shows his promise.



Because when you become a centrist to right-winger, you become just another Kerry. Another average member of the piss-poor Democratic Party without an identity who might as well join the Republican Party. And we know how well that worked out for the Dems in 2004, barring the evidence that one was rigged.

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Re: Sen. Obama Warns TV to Clean Up or Congress Will Act [Re: bukkake]
    #4927756 - 11/13/05 12:19 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Because when you become a centrist to right-winger, you become just another Kerry. Another average member of the piss-poor Democratic Party without an identity who might as well join the Republican Party. And we know how well that worked out for the Dems in 2004, barring the evidence that one was rigged.




i think this analysis lacks a certain necessary subtlety. what's the difference between kerry and clinton (moderate lefty, yet successful)? as for the idea that being hard lefty is all that's needed for presidential election, remember dukakis.


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Re: Sen. Obama Warns TV to Clean Up or Congress Will Act [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4929886 - 11/13/05 07:16 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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what's the difference between kerry and clinton (moderate lefty, yet successful)?



Nothing. That is why half of eligible voters bothered to even visit the polls in 1996. 49% of which voted for Clinton. So, only about 25% of America voted for Clinton to remain in office. The figure that selected two of the lesser evils between Clinton/Dole is upto you and I.

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Re: Sen. Obama Warns TV to Clean Up or Congress Will Act [Re: bukkake]
    #4930875 - 11/13/05 11:27 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

so could a centrist lefty be elected, in your view, if voters perceived them as the lesser of two evils?


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