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OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD
#7984546 - 02/05/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Berman's count: 606-534
David Plouffe, on a conference call just now, offered the Obama campaign's estimate of where they stand at this moment in terms of delegates.
"We are, in terms of delegates, ahead currently: about 606 to 534, in terms of pledged delegates awarded tonight," he said.
The Obama campaign's delegate guy, Jeff Berman, caught and corrected the inaccurate early reports of Nevada's delegate count, so they've got credibility on this count.
Plouffe cited wide margins in Kansas and Minnesota, as well as the fact that Obama had a larger margin in Illinois than Clinton did in New York.
Details of their argument after the jump.
An Early Look Inside the Numbers (As of 9:45 pm CST)
Surprisingly strong performances in Senator Clinton’s backyard has Senator Obama in a strong position on Super Tuesday.
Senator Obama Wins Home State Head-to-Head
Obama won his home state by 67 delegates (110-43; 153 total). Clinton won her home state by 52 delegates (142-90; 232 total). Among home states, Obama won a net delegate margin of 15. That’s a good number – but even more impressive when you consider that New York had 79 more delegates up for grabs than Illinois.
Obama Wins in Clinton’s Backyard -- Connecticut
Obama won in Connecticut – less than 10 miles from Clinton’s New York home. Nearly 25% of Connecticut voters live in the New York media market.
Obama Showed Strong Across the board Strength in Georgia
In Georgia, Obama won nearly 40% of the white vote and 64% of the vote among women – an impressive display of across the board support in a Southern, so-called ‘red state’.
Strong Showing among Hispanics
Despite all the talk about Clinton’s strong support among Hispanics, Obama won a clear majority of Hispanics in Illinois and got nearly 44% of the Hispanics in Arizona, according to exit polls.
Obama Won Lion’s Share of Delaware Delegates
15 delegates were up for grabs in Delaware. Because of huge margins in Wilmington, the site of Obama’s 20,000-person rally on Sunday, Obama will take 9 delegates and Clinton only 6.
Obama Sweeps Caucus States
Obama is position to sweep the caucus states. According to early projections, Obama is likely to take delegates by about a 2-to-1 margin in Minnesota (72 total delegates), Kansas (32 total delegates), North Dakota (13 total delegates).
Similar margins in Obama’s favor are also likely in other caucus states: Colorado, Idaho and Alaska.
Obama, So Far, Has Won More Red States Than Clinton (5-3)
AL, GA, UT, KS, ND, (5)
AR, TN, OK (3)
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Bermans_count_606534.html
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Re: OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD [Re: lonestar2004]
#7984646 - 02/05/08 09:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is exciting news.
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Re: OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD [Re: whatsgrimace]
#7984855 - 02/05/08 10:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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last i heard .. clinton was ahead
I'm terrified to live in an America with her as president
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Re: OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD [Re: BrAiN]
#7985107 - 02/05/08 11:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is really scary to say but we'd be lucky to get her at this point. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be her vs. Mccain in the general election and she is going to get the living shit beat out of her once the Republican slime machine gets going.
The only thing more terrifying than an America with Hillary as president is an America with another Republican as president.
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I can live with Mccain... compared to Hillary. Obama was the only dem that stood a chance against mccain.
Any other repub would get beat by hillary. If he democrats have any brains (which they don't.. so why am I even asking) they'd put Obama up there.
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Re: OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD [Re: BrAiN]
#7985132 - 02/05/08 11:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If [t]he democrats have any brains (which they don't.. so why am I even asking) they'd put Obama up there.
It ain't over by a long shot. It is an interesting contest.
Obama's Message vs. Clinton's Machine.
Which will win out in the long run?
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Re: OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD [Re: BrAiN]
#7985135 - 02/05/08 11:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Obama was the only dem that stood a chance against mccain.
Completely agree.
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I can live with Mccain... compared to Hillary
Can you live with staying in Iraq indefinitely?
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If Hillary wins.. we'll be staying indefinately in Iraq too. At least Mccain's got the balls to admit it. I think he's a sellout, but in the end, if he wins, after he's done with the "we gotta stay in iraq" speeches just to please the rest of the repubs, he'll be the one repub (besides paul) who probably has the best chance to review the situation with more realistic eyes. I mean hell... could you see Mccain being any WORSE than what we have now? Mccain proves that he's at least CAPABLE of listening to people and not just being a corporate puppet.
Just my opinion though... I can't count how many times Ive heard Hillary cop with with something to the effect of
"WE NEED TO GET OUT OF IRAQ... cough cough.. unless.. ummm.. there's some alqueda stuff going on yada yada we'll stick around and bla bla bla". Whenever she talks about getting out of Iraq she ALWAYS throws in some caveat about possibly staying, just so she can say later on, that she never lied to anyone when she keeps the troops there forever and just ignores the situation.
Face it.. Paul was the ONLY candidate that was serious about getting out of Iraq. Everyone else pretending to be against the war is just giving lip service. If Hillary and Obama were THAT worried about the war, they'd have ended it months ago.
Edited by BrAiN (02/05/08 11:24 PM)
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Re: OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD [Re: BrAiN]
#7985193 - 02/05/08 11:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well we are screwed when we retire we are going to be forcefully putting money into social security then its all going to get spent and inflated like a madman by the time we retire and there will be so many old people, disproportionally were fucked
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Re: OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD [Re: Coaster]
#7985213 - 02/05/08 11:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No you aren't.
Ir you count on the government, you're probably fucked.
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Re: OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD [Re: zorbman]
#7985227 - 02/05/08 11:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
zorbman said:
It ain't over by a long shot. It is an interesting contest.
Obama's Message vs. Clinton's Machine.
Which will win out in the long run?
QFT
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Re: OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD [Re: BrAiN]
#7985244 - 02/05/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If Hillary wins.. we'll be staying indefinately in Iraq too.
I think you may be right but it definitely didn't endear me to Mccain when he said that he would have no problem staying in Iraq for 100 years. That's just ludicrous. Hillary, even though she's full of shit and would make a pretty bad president MIGHT try and get us out of there a little earlier...I'd hope. It's a choice between shit and more shit at this point but I'd rather have a Democrat than 4 more years of Republican crap to be honest with you. The Republican party has had their 8 years in office and have failed America miserably. It's time for a Democrat to step up to the plate.
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Face it.. Paul was the ONLY candidate that was serious about getting out of Iraq.
True again. To avoid further bullshit like Iraq would mean changing our foreign policy approach, i.e. non-interventionist, which NONE of the other potential front-runners offer. Hell, even Obama has said that he'd consider invading Iran (said it in 2004, check it out) and Pakistan (more recently) but I'd have preferred him for the reasons I listed above. Like you said, the only candidate that REALLY offered us "change" (there's that friggin' buzzword again ) was Paul though he doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning even one state.
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If Hillary and Obama were THAT worried about the war, they'd have ended it months ago.
They alone don't have the power to do this, there is the entire Congress and that pesky presidential veto to circumvent. And by the way, shame on the Democratic Congress for not pursuing an end to the war in Iraq, that's why we voted those assholes in during the 2006 midterm elections.
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They just don't have the votes!
Its not that hard to understand.
You can see that they have put it up to vote several times, and it has been defeated each time.
Don't blame the people who proposed the bill and voted for it, but do some research and see who voted AGAINST it and take out your ire on them.
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Don't blame the people who proposed the bill and voted for it, but do some research and see who voted AGAINST it and take out your ire on them.
You're splitting hairs. The fact is that this current Democratic Congress was swept into office on a mandate that they would be some sort of check on Bush and get the US out of the Iraq War. They have failed very badly. It misses the point to figure out which Democrat voted for a resolution to condemn the Iraq War and who didn't because (a) these resolutions are non-binding, merely protesting troop increases and (b) Bush would either use his veto and the Republicans in Congress would prevent it from being overridden, which has happened.
You are incorrect in assuming that these bills you allude to would actually get troops out of Iraq considering they are NON-BINDING!
What the Congress could have done but haven't is to cut funding for the war. This would be a ballsy move and would force an quick end to this war. Not only have they not done this but they've actually authorised increases in money and troops. This is not what the American people have demanded of our Democrat Congress in the midterm elections and we have been betrayed by their cowardice and inactivity.
An 18% approval rating for this Congress... that's even lower than the president and the second lowest EVER! Clearly I'm not alone in my frustration at this pathetic Congress.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/08/gallup-approval.html
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Do you think they would have the votes to cut funding?
Really?
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Do you think they would even want to vote to cut funding? When it comes on down to it, party affliation is simply a political maneuver based upon convinence. These guys switch parties when it is beneficial for them, and no one party benefits from one special interest. If standing agansit the War in Iraq was anything more than political posturing, they would have stood up strongly agansit it, even if, in the end, they would have come up a few votes short to stop it. If it was an idealogical stance, they would have striven to continue to seek to end it.
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McCain scares me more then Hillary. He looks like a war hungry mother fucker. If we just can't have ron paul. Id rather have obama. Hopefully Ron will run independent.
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Re: OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD [Re: Cubie]
#7985543 - 02/06/08 02:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the real mccain ..
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McCain's political colleagues … know another side of the action hero -- a volatile man with a hair-trigger temper, who shouted at Sen. Ted Kennedy on the Senate floor to "shut up," called his fellow Republican senators "shithead," "fucking jerk," "asshole," and joked in 1998 at a Republican fundraiser about the teenage daughter of President Clinton, "Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father." [In 2006], McCain suddenly rushed up to a friend of mine, a prominent Washington attorney, at a social event, and threatened to beat him up because he represented a client McCain happened to dislike, and then, just as suddenly, profusely and tearfully apologized.
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Re: OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD [Re: Cubie]
#7985568 - 02/06/08 02:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cubie said: Hopefully Ron will run independent.
Cut him a check for a hundred million and you'll see it happen. Otherwise, forget about it.
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Re: OBAMA CLAIMS DELEGATE LEAD [Re: fireworks_god]
#7985577 - 02/06/08 03:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cubie said: Hopefully Ron will run independent.
Cut him a check for a hundred million and you'll see it happen. Otherwise, forget about it.
You can't buy the election, didn't the tea party tell you that?
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