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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: Gumby]
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Here's something I found:

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Dosages and application for chameleons

There are many therapeutic schemes and dosages for metronidazol in reptiles. Different dosages may be used against different parasites and bacteria but these dosages usually depend on empiric experience and even on personal preferences of different authors. Generally, dosages against protozoan parasites are high : 60-160 mg/kg. Against anaerobic infection, doses range from about 20-40 mg/kg. Some have used Flagyl as an appetite stimulant at 10-20 mg/kg. The efficacy of Flagyl as an appetite stimulant is debatable; try this only under the guidance of your veterinarian.

Not only dosage, but also frequency of dosing and length of therapy, are highly important and should be done under the supervision of a veterinarian. Dosages that are too high may cause a toxic reaction. Care must be taken as toxic dosages can be different for different species and individuals. Insufficient dosages will be ineffective. Resistance to Flagyl is rare in some species but may be more common in reptiles. Regardless, insufficient doses should be avoided as they will delay cure. One case of resistance was observed by me after I administered metronidazol in the dosage of 60 mg/kg daily for 5-7 days for treating monocercomonosis (a disease caused by flagellated protozoans) in green iguanas (Iguana iguana). I got a strongly resistant population of these parasites that were, within 12 days, resistant to dosages of 100mg/kg.

Try to resist the urge to give Flagyl empirically (based on practical experience without use of scientific methods). Importers may use a "shotgun technique" for treating all imports with fenbendazole (Panacur) and metronidazole. At the very least, work with your veterinarian to design a treatment program for new imports. There are many dosages and treatment schedules for Flagyl, and your veterinarian will help you determine the best strategy. If in doubt about the effectiveness (or lack of) of Flagyl based on empirical dosages and schedules, peruse the literature on both empirical and scientific approaches to treating imported Asian turtles. The source is found at the end of this article.



http://www.chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=26

BTW, Flagyl = metronidazole.

Pretty much what that says is it's going to be tough as fuck to dose your little guy. You'd have to weigh him in grams and then do the math to give him the proper dosage for his weight. I'd probably go with 40mg/kg treatment. But I can only guess that you don't have a scale that would be anywhere near sufficient to weigh out the dosages you need. That's a tricky one. Honestly, if it were my lizard, I'd probably dissolve some amount of metronidazole in some water, dip a q-tip in it and apply it to the would topically. I don't know it would work, be in effective, or kill the lizard. But at the rate that infection is spreading things aren't looking so good in the first place.

Edit: I also found this http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-lizard-forum/35605-water-dragon-lip.html. Some people reccomend using polysporin.

Edit again: Sounds like your guy has mouth rot. Here's info on it: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=17+1831&aid=2385

Edited by Gumby (03/04/09 12:27 PM)

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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: Gumby]
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Its not like window screen, its more like the mesh deal- not wire. What other option do i have?

I love him to death but... im broke. I cant afford to take a baby lizard to the vet... i only paid $40 for him to start with. (not that im giving up on him or anything) Im tryin to help him by making him stop rubbing his nose before anything.

The reason they run into the glass is cause they cant tell that there is glass infront of them... so i thought if he could see that something was infront of him, and not reflective, he wouldnt try to walk through it anymore.

Poor guy :frown:


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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: xswaveyx]
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Well, give it a chance, it might work. I'd definitely do something about that mouth rot soon though. Even if it is just putting some polysporin on it.

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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: Gumby]
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Can i just go to rite aid or somethin to get that? i assume its just an antibiotic cream type deal right? (i dont keep many medical supplies around,id have to go get something)


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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: Your Destination]
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Your Destination said:
I fear reptiles.
Particularly our reptilian over-lords.



HaH president bush and obama to name a few. They will attain total control:crazy2:

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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: MorphineDReAms]
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my dragon doesnt like his big water bowl. i havent seen him use it once since i put it in there, he uses the bathroom and chills in his smaller bowl...which is fine... just thought he might want some more water to swim in or something since hes a water dragon and all


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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: xswaveyx]
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One thing I've found is that no animal, reptile or not, likes a tall waterbowl. He might use it more if you put enough bark in there to fill it up to the rim of the big waterbowl. That's what I do for my gecko and snake (who is still on the loose, damnit).

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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: xswaveyx]
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its like 2" tall, but he is still pretty tiny so i guess thats big to him.I might take it out until he gets bigger since he likes his small one, ill move some stuff around.im about to feed him then try to handle him for the second time... hope he wants to play


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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: xswaveyx]
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I just put a 2.5 inch tall bowl of coco fiber in my frog's tank so he can burrow. He has gotten in it 3 times within the past few weeks... for some reason reptiles and amphibians just hate climbing into a tall bowl.


I'm about to completely redo the frog's tank. I'm gonna to half coco fiber/potting soil and half water. Turning it into a vivarium so I can keep fish too. Pierre can just deal with it and try to catch fish... He'll never catch any though, most inefficient hunter ever. He's lucky I feed him frozen mice.

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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: xswaveyx]
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yeah my dragon doesnt want to catch crickets on his own...he gives up pretty quickly. I have his whole tank with that coco fiber and a mix of wood chip type stuff i also got from the pet store... i also have it in my cricket cage and they love to dig and hide down under it where its cool... they seem to be living a lot longer now


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Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol - or THC, the active chemical in weed - is in the same family of organic molecules as anandamide, a chemical found in the human brain that is associated with feelings of bliss such as those released during sex. So on a molecular level, getting laid and getting stoned aren't too different.

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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: xswaveyx]
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Hello

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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: Gumby]
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...i took the screen out

my man had a piece of dry skin hanging from the front of his nose thismorning, i checked him out good when i took him outa the tank.

I need a new idea.My tank is 4' x 1', i need to find some sort of thin plastic that i can cut 3" tall and put all around the cage, just so when he is on the floor he has walls, if he climbs up he can see everywhere.

What should i use?

need... 2 pieces of 4' x 3" and 2 pieces of 1' x 3"


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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: xswaveyx]
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If he gets an infection or rott it is likely to show and may even give off an odor.

I'd be worried about using something like regular store bought antibiotic cream and the possibility of the lizard licking it off the nose. I know antibiotics can be pretty harsh on mammals.

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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: flexintexan]
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I put some cream on his mouth, well..on the side.you know what i mean. i forget what it was called but the lady at the pet store i went to today said she uses it on them.

Which brings me to another thought.I went to 4 diff pet stores in my area today just to check shit out.only petco had water dragons, and they had like 9 of them in this tiny ass like 20 gallon tank, i felt so bad for them. i asked the lady how she kept them from getting their noses all smashed up when they are so crowded in there, she told me that they always smash their faces, when they get injured they are taken into the back and put into a cage thats non transparent until they heal up, and then are put back out for sale again.

I felt so bad for them...i almost bought another while i was there.I still might, i think 2 would be fine in my 55 gallon. They were small but my dragon was still tiny compaired to them so i dont know still.

Been trying to get a fogger, nobody had them, petsmart had one for 50 bucks which is a fuckin rip off.Gonna ebay one i guess.


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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: xswaveyx]
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Rule of thumb when it comes to pets: if you can buy it online, do it. It'll be much cheaper. Try http://www.drsfostersmith.com/

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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: Gumby]
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Yeah but if im there i can check him out and what not, there was one in that tank that looked a little older but was much brighter green than any others.Im gonna go check that site out now regardless... i think i might buy a second if they have one the same age as the one i have.


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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: xswaveyx]
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They have a pretty sweet price for crickets, can just order 50 at a time which is what i like. i picked up 4 dozen today and it cost 5 bucks, but he deff gave me more than 4 dozen. They have em for like 3 bucks on that site. I think i might order the fogger with floater off their site depending how much shipping is cause it says 37 bucks, but what is a GFCI outlet? says its required...

Linkage

Is there a spot to buy animals on that site? i am only seeing supplies...

EDIT:This guy said he had them for 10 bucks a pop, but when i emailed him he replied telling me details, at the end he says
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This cost  is 50 dollars no matter if you get one animal up to 15 aniamls, it is the same cost. If you want it still please let me know.



waat? i just want 1. thats not cool


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Edited by xswaveyx (03/08/09 11:12 AM)

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Re: Lets talk reptiles! [Re: xswaveyx]
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Yeah, i havent found a site to buy one under 50 bucks. The pet store had them for 35, i bought mine for 40 at a different one but he was the only one they had, this store has like 9 or 10 atleast. I havent found any other sites that sell pets other than the one i had linked in an earlier post, kingsnake has classifieds and there is only one adult on craigslist. Might have to go back to petco to rescue one for 35 bucks like i said before if i cant find a better price...


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