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OfflinePurple_Voyage
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Lepiota?
    #989699 - 10/24/02 03:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hi, I found this today, I'm currently making the spore print, but Im hoping you guys can help me id it before the prints finished because it smells really bad, like rotting fish.

It was found growing in grass, near by there were thorn bushes and a silver birch.

The gills are diamond shape near the stem and pale yellow. Unattached.

It has a bright red centre to its cap, and when cut in half you can see the red below the surface of the cap. Also it has red flecks at the base of the stem.

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Re: Lepiota? [Re: Purple_Voyage]
    #989722 - 10/24/02 03:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Does it look like it had a veil?

Also, those gills do not remind me a of a lepiota, however the cap somewhat resembles a lepiota!

Spore print will be benifical.


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Re: Lepiota? [Re: angryshroom]
    #989741 - 10/24/02 03:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

No, I don't think it had a veil, I'll let you know the colour of the spores as soon as the prints done, but it doesn't look like it's doing too well at the mo :frown:


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Re: Lepiota? [Re: Purple_Voyage]
    #989874 - 10/24/02 04:27 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Takes at least an hour or two get any spore print.

You might want to try it on a dark peice of paper because the spores might be a pale white to pale buff color.


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Re: Lepiota? [Re: angryshroom]
    #989908 - 10/24/02 04:36 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I've got it on some glass, but it's been there for about 8 hours! nothing though. There was a frost this morning, could that affect the spore print?


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Re: Lepiota? [Re: Purple_Voyage]
    #989991 - 10/24/02 05:02 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like an Amanita, perhaps A. inaurata?

EDIT: I don't know if that's right, it fits the description and picture in a book I have, but a search on the web brings up alot of pictures of Amanita inauratas that look nothing like that. I am a newbie at IDing, so it's just a guess anyway, but the gills do look like amanita to me.


Edited by RemiMartin (10/24/02 05:21 PM)


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Re: Lepiota? [Re: RemiMartin]
    #990139 - 10/24/02 05:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think all Amanitas have veils. Im not sure about lepiota however.

The frost wont harm the spores...is it covered so not even the slightest bit of influence in wind could blow them away?
Its amazing how light spores are...they are just the same as dust :smile:


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Re: Lepiota? [Re: Purple_Voyage]
    #990458 - 10/24/02 07:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like Aminita rubescens, warts on the cap and red stains, and possibly a superior partial veil, hard to tell.


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Re: Lepiota? [Re: falcon]
    #991740 - 10/25/02 02:32 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

I think all Amanitas have veils. Im not sure about lepiota however.




I thought that too, but the book doesn't mention any partial veil or ring on the stem for A. inaurata, but it does for the other amanitas. I still don't know why the pictures I found of it on the web are so different from the picture and descirtion in my book, but it was changed from Amanitopsis strangulata to Amanita inaurata at some point, so perhaps that has caused a mix up with mis-identification?

(Actually, A. fulva, and A. vaginata don't have partial veils either)

All amanitas do have a universal veil though.





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Re: Lepiota? [Re: falcon]
    #991743 - 10/25/02 02:34 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Can't be Amanita rubescens, that has a partial veil.


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Re: Lepiota? [Re: RemiMartin]
    #992186 - 10/25/02 12:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

mmm, I did consider Amanita rubescens, they are quite common in the area I found this specimen in, but like Remi Martin says, it has a veil and the gills don't match (my specimen has yellow oddly shaped gills).  Also the smell is very strong and I don't think Amanita rubescens has much of a smell to it.

Do you think it's just a very old mushroom? that might account for the odd smell, discoloration and strange shape of the gills.  I left the cap covered overnight and no spores dropped, perhaps because it is too old? :confused:



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Re: Lepiota? [Re: Purple_Voyage]
    #992290 - 10/25/02 12:58 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

As soon as I saw the gills they remided me of an A. Muscaria a day after picking. It does look alot like the A. inurata in my book, and fits the description perfectly, so I'm gonna try and find more info on the web about it.


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Re: Lepiota? [Re: Purple_Voyage]
    #993235 - 10/25/02 08:05 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

not lepiota.
definitely not lepiota.
lepiota has scales, not warts, the difference being warts are seperate flesh, left over from the universal veil (volva), whereas scales are texture on the cap flesh itself.
definitely an amanita.
who knows which one.
i usuallt dont care much about amanitas, being all deadly and all.
that one looks old and nasty, too.
be careful!!!!!!!!! :cool: 


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Re: Lepiota? [Re: viscid]
    #993246 - 10/25/02 08:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Nice ID viscid...

Is it true that amanitas do not all have veils?



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Re: Lepiota? [Re: angryshroom]
    #993256 - 10/25/02 08:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

as i have lamented before, not having the comp at home forces me to id from the library.
so this is all from the noggin.  i know that there are several amanitas without veils.
i could not tell you all of them, or even more than one.  hey, i think amanita vaginata is one.  definitely not this mushroom.  good name for a mushroom, though, considering most are phallic references.

as far as it being rubescens, i would have to say no, it is not a. rubescens.  the rubescens i have found were vastly different than that one.  and usually fruit in the summer.
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