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Psychoslut
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I thought I found Lepiota procera
#5749522 - 06/14/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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But then My spore prints ended up being chocolate brown instead of white. I found the mushrooms inside the base of a tree that had been hollowed out by termites. They was growing in wood pulp. The caps are about 3-3.5 inches across with dry scales on them like shaggy parasols. The stem was about 5 inches long and solid. The stem also was woodsy. When I first found them the gills and flesh was white, and turned pink when bruised. After sitting on print foil over night the gills turned brown and brown spores were deposited. The flesh lost the pink bruising and turned light brown.
Any ideas?
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: Psychoslut]
#5749569 - 06/14/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Possible Pholiota......look for scaliness on stem also...
-------------------- Worlds Largest 'Liberty Cap' (Cali Libs Confirmed !) ' Comments On Hallucinogenic Agarics And The Hallucinations Of Those Who Study Them ' Alexander H. Smith Mycologia vol.69 1977
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: shroominDole]
#5749578 - 06/14/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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No scales on the stems .
Ive been searching the web for 3 days now trying to figure out what these suckers are and finally gave in and posted here.
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: Psychoslut]
#5749666 - 06/14/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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noticable scaliness not essential to every Pholiota found but still sounds like Pholiota......L. procera has an annulus (ring) on the stem......you didnt mention an annulus and also Lepiota has gills for the most part free from touching the stem visible when cap is cut in half.......Pholiota is usually 'attatched' to stem but as with all attatched shrooms can become free in age......still sounds like might be Pholiota possibly. also if ring is present look for not just scaliness but increased hairiness below ring.
-------------------- Worlds Largest 'Liberty Cap' (Cali Libs Confirmed !) ' Comments On Hallucinogenic Agarics And The Hallucinations Of Those Who Study Them ' Alexander H. Smith Mycologia vol.69 1977
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: Psychoslut]
#5750005 - 06/14/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That sounds like Agaricus to me, except for the white immature gills.
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: shroomydan]
#5750117 - 06/14/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Has dry scales like Procera and growing from inside an old tree stump on decomposed wood.
-------------------- Worlds Largest 'Liberty Cap' (Cali Libs Confirmed !) ' Comments On Hallucinogenic Agarics And The Hallucinations Of Those Who Study Them ' Alexander H. Smith Mycologia vol.69 1977
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: shroominDole]
#5750237 - 06/14/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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inside the base of a tree that had been hollowed out by termites
Not from decomposing wood.
I have found at least two species of woodland Agaricus with scaly caps, but of course they had pink gills. I think it would be odd to confuse scaly Pholiota, which is orangish brown, with a shaggy parasol.
The red bruising that faded to brown is also consistent with Agaricus.
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: shroomydan]
#5750689 - 06/14/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah the flesh when I first picked it and broke it open was white bruising a reddish pink. Then when it aged the flesh turned to an almond brown. It smelled really good like a portabella.
I think it was probably growing from a wood material because there was a pile of decomposed wood pulp on the ground inside the hollowed out tree.
It did have a veil too, forgot to mention that. The stem was smooth and firm, woody and snapped easily.
I will try to grow these spores out on grain. Ill try to fruit them from sawdust and straight grain.
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: Psychoslut]
#5752881 - 06/15/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psychoslut said : growing in wood pulp
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shroominDole said : on decomposed wood.
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shroomydan said : Not from decomposing wood.
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Psychoslut said : growing from a wood material because there was a pile of decomposed wood pulp on the ground inside the hollowed out tree.
?????????? were you reading the same post ??????????
even when there is no woody debris visible it must always be ASSUMED wood may be present as wood can be buried or decomposed and mixed with the substrate not noticable but sufficiently present to support wood inhabiting species thus appearing terrestrial especially when dealing with movement of soil and debris with storms and alluvial action etc. and many many other possible senarios .....I have seen this with Gymnopilus, Omphalotus, Pluteus, etc. all APPEARING terrestrial when truly not . Especially in a situation like this where the hole the shrooms are growing from WAS WOOD and the perimeter of the hole theyre growing from IS WOOD. Cant really imagine that situation NOT having wood present ???
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shroomydan said : I think it would be odd to confuse scaly Pholiota, which is orangish brown, with a shaggy parasol.
not as odd as you confusing the mushroom that Psycho had been searching for 3 days Lepiota procera with the 'Shaggy Parasol' which is Lepiota RACHODES !!! I can understand Psycho accidentally confusing the two mentioned above the Shaggy Parasol for Procera........a shroom hes just trying to learn but I think you might have a little confusion around YOU and the identification of Lepiota procera. And though Shaggy Parasol was mentioned remember the name of the post......." I thought I found Lepiota procera".....two different shrooms I was considering in my reply for Pholiota which you weren't for some reason.
And no where did I make any ID of a Pholiota which was 'orangish brown'.....you put those words in my mouth.....not me.....there are many scaly Pholiotas. Pholiota is the LARGEST group of Brown Spored wood inhabiting shrooms in the world with countless species exhibiting cap scaliness and various bruising reactions are common, Although there are smooth capped groups of Pholiota.......the scaliness of there caps is the hallmark they're most well known for. If you were to go and look it up and find a picture of Procera and NOT Rachodes........ you would see that Procera can have evenly well differentiated scales on the cap just like a Pholiota and to take it a step further having the scaliness of the stem so characteristic of so many Pholiotas.
And the mushroom you were incorrectly refferring to as Procera......the Shaggy Parasol, as not possibly being confused with an Orangish Brown mushroom because of its color........readily turns ORANGISH and BROWN from QUIK bruising reactions !!!
-------------------- Worlds Largest 'Liberty Cap' (Cali Libs Confirmed !) ' Comments On Hallucinogenic Agarics And The Hallucinations Of Those Who Study Them ' Alexander H. Smith Mycologia vol.69 1977
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: shroominDole]
#5753073 - 06/15/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I ran across some Shaggy Parasol(Lepiota rachodes) last October and made a post: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4745012 After reading it I noticed I forgot to mention the sporeprint color, I'm quite sure it was white. Had a very prominent annulus also. Pictures included in my post.
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: shroominDole]
#5753082 - 06/15/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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In my research to try and figure out what it is, Lepiota procera was many times referred to as a shaggy parasol. Rhacodes is the shaggy parasol on the west coast, and where the Lepiota procera grows it is considered the shaggy parasol, all depends on location. Thats why common names shouldn't be used. Anyways is the procera edible?
http://www.google.com/search?client=fire...G=Google+Search
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: shroominDole]
#5753837 - 06/15/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was just throwing out another possibility for him to investigate, no need to get your panties in a knot Dole.
The ground inside a hollow tree that has been eaten by insects can support terrestrial mushrooms as well as those that usually fruit directly from wood. It is entirely possible to find Agaricus silvaticus in that habitat.
Note the whitish gills in the Photo.
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: shroomydan]
#5753845 - 06/15/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lepiota procera was many times referred to as a shaggy parasol. Rhacodes is the shaggy parasol on the west coast, and where the Lepiota procera grows it is considered the shaggy parasol, all depends on location.
Although there are always examples of misinformation to be found on any website......what you stated is not correct whatsoever.
and the website you gave a link for is a couple of personal small web pages on the two mushrooms with a couple of small paragraphs and a couple recipes....just somebodies home pages.....she states that Procera can be referred to as Shaggy Parasol but right next to that has a link to Rachodes where she states it is the Shaggy Parasol.......she also states Procera doesnt probably occur in the west but people have been eating the western version of Procera here forever where they both occur together. you stated wherever Procera is it has overriding presedent for having the the common name Shaggy Parasol where it occurs.......as here in our area Rachodes probably occurs anywhere Procera occurs and it also occurs around most the world but in these cases Procera is never referred to as Shaggy Parasol and have never seen it applied as such here to our Procera. If that were so what do people then call Rachodes ?.......' The Parasol ' mushroom which is the 'common' name for Procera ?
Any respectable mushroom guide or site will always have Chlorophylum (Macrolepiota/ Lepiota) rachodes as ' Shaggy Parasol Mushroom ' and Macrolepiota ( Lepiota ) procera as ' The Parasol Mushroom ' but of coarse there will always be some exceptions found but not generally accepted for thew most part.
Whether your shroom is an Agaricus or any of many other possible candidates......you do not have Lepiota......Lepiotas are among the greatest of all wild goumet mushroom but also some of the most potentially dangerous as probably the most sought after in the world which is Rachodes bruises orangish to reddish primarily but so do the many deadly Lepiotas bruise similiarly.....which are among the deadliest in the world......not to mention their similiarity to deadly Amanitas which also have free gill attatchment and white spores and both many times have warts on the caps which can be easily removed sometimes and not all Amanitas form sacs..
Procera is edible and considered quite good in some places to mediocre at best in other places.......Rachodes is a level all its own and unsurpassed tho some claim too strong of a wild mushroom flavor but after years of encountering the multitudes of bland flavorless shrooms many of which are commonly collected and eaten this characteristic can be quite welcome for cooking. Not to mention Rachodes grows in most habitats and readily available to most.
But dont eat your mushroom till positive.....just not worth it......keep up your focus tho cause its amazing what you can learn (and forget ) in a very short time..
these may be some interesting links to the subject to what the commonly accepted names are for these two...........
Rachodes.... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=shaggy+parasol&btnG=Google+Search
Procera..... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=+parasol+mushroom&btnG=Search
-------------------- Worlds Largest 'Liberty Cap' (Cali Libs Confirmed !) ' Comments On Hallucinogenic Agarics And The Hallucinations Of Those Who Study Them ' Alexander H. Smith Mycologia vol.69 1977
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Re: I thought I found Lepiota procera [Re: shroomydan]
#5754055 - 06/15/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That cap looks like mine but the stem on mine are longer and allot thinner, not near that robust looking.
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