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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: wolf fish]
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Next time you feel like posting something like this why don't you just shut the fuck up and turn your computer off?

Thanks.

-Crasher


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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
:seriousbusiness:

No need for a stroke here dude.

I'm the retard???:haha:

Just believing what ever you hear from NBC, CBS and ABC.  Now thats a retard.



typical shroomery.  :facepalm:

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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: wolf fish]
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Your points make no sense.

First you have to realize how much money is spent on the drug war and prisons.

to build all the places that would commerically grow the weed and expect a tax break for doing so would cost a shit ton of money

The state wouldn't have to pay for private companies commercial grow ops.

Its going to cost a lot more money to train the entire counries law enforement cost a shit ton of money, also that law would have to include something about those already in prison for marjuana possesion or distribution again would cost a shit ton.

It's going to cost money to train law enforcement not to arrest people for marijuana?  And it wouldn't cost money to address the issue of people in prison for marijuana possession, it would save millions on prison costs and free up some of the crowding prisons, it's a win win situation. That issue will probably be in the legislation of this bill/proposition.

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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: Crasher]
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Crasher said:
Looks pretty sound to me.

Well, except the article from 1990 could be a little off.

Thanks for the perspective Meams.



Yeah, I didn't bother to check the dates of the articles after the first one.  I just typed in "worker productivity by nation" and linked the first couple hits.

I'm glad there are still some shroomery members who aren't complete conspiracy nuts.

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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: memes]
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No typical shroomery is a dialated eye avatar and a signature questioning the nature of reality.  Dude you see a report from the UN and IMMEDIATELY believe it, with out even showing evidence of where the study was conducted, who conducted it, how many people were sampled, where is the data coming from.  You can't just see things on the news and whole heatedly believe them.  I'm not speaking as a conspiracy theorist, im speaking from a person who can think for them selves.


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Edited by Cognitive_Shift (02/23/09 07:54 PM)

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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: wolf fish]
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How someone can come to the conclusion that legalizing weed would cost us money is beyond me. You're retarded.


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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
No typical shroomery is a dialated eye avatar and a signature questioning the nature of reality.  Dude you see a report from the UN and IMMEDIATELY believe it, with out even showing evidence of where the study was conducted, who conducted it, how many people were sampled, where is the data coming from.  You can't just see things on the news and whole heatedly believe them.



I'm not going to waste my time digging that deep.  If you want to refute my perfectly reasonable claim, besides just saying "you pulled that out of your ass" - then YOU can dig that deep and find out that it's faulty.

Until you do, you're just as bad as the shroomery fucktards that say shit's a conspiracy without any proof behind their words.

I found my proof, now the ball's in your court to refute it.

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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: memes]
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:lol:  You obviously didn't pull it out of your ass, cuz you provided links to the media.  But I strongly disagree with the news article.  You must remember its a news article, not a fact.  Some numbers that the UN got means some numbers that the UN got.  The UN is an organization not a person, the letters UN cannot conduct the study.  If you provided me with a link to where this info came from, not what the media wants people to think i would believe you.  I live and work in the US, i have in many cities around the country, i disagree with those news articles.  Sorry if that angers you.


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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Took me three seconds:  Google - "United Nations productivity Study"

Do you believe the International Labour Organization?  Or are they just out to boost our confidence too? 



This article says as a measure of value added per worker, Norway has the highest Labor Productivity measure ($37.99) followed by the U.S. (35.63)

http://www.ilo.org/global/About_the_ILO/Media_and_public_information/Press_releases/lang--en/WCMS_083976/index.htm


I've proven my point, and you've simply speculated.  Enjoy believing things for no reason :wave:
Edit: yes, i realize that this last article disproves my original point, but the effect is still the same.  my original argument claimed that obama didn't want to hurt the productivity of the US worker, due to its standing as 'best in  the world'.  'Meh, by this measure we're #2, so - while I did disprove myself, I did so in the best way possible :smile:

Edited by memes (02/23/09 08:06 PM)

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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: memes]
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I'm not believing things for no reason.  Only a fool would do that.  Okay so you gave me a link.  This link is from october of 2007, before the economy went down the shitter and so on.  Enjoy believing we are the "most productive" nation from old data:wave:


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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
I'm not believing things for no reason.  Only a fool would do that.  Okay so you gave me a link.  This link is from october of 2007, before the economy went down the shitter and so on.  Enjoy believing we are the "most productive" nation from old data:wave:



lol

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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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You think other nations are rising in productivity during this economic collapse?  Any country that would be anywhere close to surpassing us (and thus, lowering us to a level that would negate my original argument) is hurting just as bad as us, if not more so.

Just face it, my argument is rational and your ability to refute it is based on a couple of weak ass claims about my citations.

I've done enough in this thread.  Anybody with a half-working brain can filter through your garbage and see that my claims are valid.

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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: JT]
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justin_thyme said:

This, it seems, is a reference to the latest economic stimulus package scheduled to reach the House within the next 20 days. Known as the State Stimulus Package, the proposed four-hundred and twenty billion dollar bill will focus on assisting individual State Governments like California, as well as state parks and national highways.

The bill takes a similar form as those aimed at AIG, and potentially CITI Bank. Instead of just handing out the money, the Federal Reserve seeks to purchase state's deficit at significant interest. This allows them to avoid filing Chaper-23 Bankruptcy, and the resulting loss of work for thousands of state employees.

Even though the deficit is being purchased at less than 6% of its' market value, this will leave the Federal Government with a 51% share of those states assets, making them the majority shareholders. According to Obama's plan, this should allow for an easy restructuring of the state's policies to ensure they escape the financial meltdown.

The Stimulus also mentions pay cuts and transition of leadership in order to be eligible for the Stimulus Package. Democrats have already lauded this as the end to President Bush's "reign of golden parachutes."

Not everyone is happy about the bill though. Representative Peter Strausberg (R-OH) again criticized the Democrats excessive use of "pork" in the bill. "I know that building roads created a lot of jobs in the great depression," he said, "but I just don't see why we need a road from Canada to Mexico."



i get why everyone is upset about the weed...but what about this?

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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: memes]
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meams said:
Anybody with a half-working brain can filter through your garbage and see that my claims are valid.



No your giving me more than a year old data.  I would like to know what university you go to (if you do) because your professor would be disgusted with data that old.  You can tell yourself im wrong and your right and make a bunch of assumption about economics based off data from October 07'.  However im not claiming im right, im claiming that i disagree with those reports.  Those numbers are based off of guesses about population and work force of billions, there is no way that study has conducted as Valid as you claim.


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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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:catfight:


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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
No your giving me more than a year old data.  I would like to know what university you go to (if you do) because your professor would be disgusted with data that old.  You can tell yourself im wrong and your right and make a bunch of assumption about economics based off data from October 07'.  However im not claiming im right, im claiming that i disagree with those reports.  Those numbers are based off of guesses about population and work force of billions, there is no way that study has conducted as Valid as you claim.



hehe.  I graduated Cum Laude w/ a double major in Economics & Business Management from a university in virginia.  Econ GPA: 3.90.

The age of this data, while seemingly important, does not come into play regarding our debate.  My reasoning is as follows:


1.  I said the US was the most productive workforce in the world (I now change that to "one of the top two", based on that article I found that said we're #2). 

2.  You claim the old data brings the validity of my claims into question.

3.  I claim that any country that would be close to surpassing us in productivity (thus, proving my original claim to be false) is hurting just as bad, if not worse, than we currently are - and as a result of that, will NOT be overtaking our productivity levels during the time since that data has been acquired.

Those three bullets are solid, I don't see how you can argue against them.

Now, regarding your claim that the studies may not have been made in a manner that has the level of validity that I would think it does... 'meh.  Find a better way, and you can disprove my original claim, until then - I'm right :tongue:



edit:  I know i know i know, i said i was done with this thread - but I just couldn't help it.  I LOVE arguing :smile:

Edited by memes (02/23/09 08:30 PM)

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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: F0SS1L]
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F0SS1L said:
How someone can come to the conclusion that legalizing weed would cost us money is beyond me. You're retarded.



sure legalizing weed would make money thats not my argument. my argument is that it would cost so much money to make that happen any money it does make short term wouldnt be enough to help fix the current problems and make it worse by increased spending. honestly marijuana simply isnt the anwser to the economic problems. its bullshit to think that marijuana legalization is going to change the economy at this point in time.

Edited by wolf fish (02/23/09 08:33 PM)

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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: memes]
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According to this article, it would seem there is still evidence that the US leads as of 2007 :shrug:


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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: tpihkal]
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That's too old for him, but it's irrelevant as far as our argument goes, for the reasons I laid out in that 3-step explanation.

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Re: Obama meets with governator, talks cali deficit and stimulus [Re: memes]
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:lol:  I was going to keep going with stuff like
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2.  You claim the old data brings the validity of my claims into question.


  Your claim is based on the old data, so its therefor not valid in 2009, but i fucking give up.  I don't believe the US is the "most productive nation in the world."  While you provided evidence, it wasn't enough to persuade my mind.  Yes the US is a western material good obsessed nation with power and influence all over the world.  Its going to be one of the better "productive" nations in the world economically.  But still to just say out right its "the most productive nation in the world"..... While being an extremely vague statement, i still disagree.


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