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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: ebuk]
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i did the lime juice extraction last night. zero effects. but i used lemon. does it have to be lime? and also i used morning glories. 300 seeds. soaked for 30 minutes in lemon juice. then anothr 30 minutes in water. mixed the two liquids with orange juice, first half then 30 minutes later the other half. followed by 1 gram of vitamin c. half hour later i ate the pulp. should i use more seed? what did i do wrong?


You had 300 seeds of the wrong kind. Get six to eight hawaiin baby woodrose seeds. It does not have to be lime. You're looking for citric acid to (hypothetically - which is why I initially tried this procedure) break down the glycosides in the seeds that make you sick.

Did you even crush up your MG seeds? Why did you let them sit another 30 minutes in water? Please read the initial post more carefully, thx.

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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: Adden]
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Thanks s2, you will save me a great deal of nausea! I'm looking forward to more success stories.


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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: ebuk]
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ebuk said:
i did the lime juice extraction last night. zero effects. but i used lemon. does it have to be lime? and also i used morning glories. 300 seeds. soaked for 30 minutes in lemon juice. then anothr 30 minutes in water. mixed the two liquids with orange juice, first half then 30 minutes later the other half. followed by 1 gram of vitamin c. half hour later i ate the pulp. should i use more seed? what did i do wrong?


There is a big possibilty that if you used tap water, the chorlene in it damaged the LSA. Try bottled water next time (although some bottled water may contain chorlene, so check the package).


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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: MisterKite]
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i did this method, and i have to say, there was nausea....
i didnt puke, but i very well could have....
it passed relativly quickly (about 10 min)
i belive the reason i didnt vomit, was due to teh fact taht i didnt eat that day..

pukeing is just part of this drug, deal with it...
or fast before you trip...
either way, the nausea passes quickly if u just lie down and chill, or just puke it out....

[hyp]

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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: Adden]
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s2dope said:
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You had 300 seeds of the wrong kind. Get six to eight hawaiin baby woodrose seeds. It does not have to be lime. You're looking for citric acid to (hypothetically - which is why I initially tried this procedure) break down the glycosides in the seeds that make you sick.

Did you even crush up your MG seeds? Why did you let them sit another 30 minutes in water? Please read the initial post more carefully, thx.



im just gonna do an extraction and be done with it bro. but to answer your questions... yeah, i crushed up the seeds. and after soaking in lemon juice, i soaked the mush in water. why? to get all the goods. wasnt tap water. anyways, i dont think i got the wrong seeds. when im done extracting i will post my results. later.


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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: ebuk]
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Just thought I'd report an 'alternative' form of ingesting HBWR seeds.

My first HWBR trip was amazing. In my first report, I compared the experience to MDMA -- in that it presented me with wave after wave of a kind of almost unbearably delirious happiness for about 3 hours (6 seeds ground up in water & chewed & swallowed immediately). My second trip was marred by nausea and wretching (8 seeds ground and made into a tea -- bleecch!), and after that night, I was reluctant to try HBWR again.

Then I had an idea. Considering LSA dissolves in water, then perhaps it can be absorbed sub-lingually, in the same way that LSD-25 and salvinorin-A are administered. My intent was to prove that I could absorb enough LSA without having to actually swallow the seeds. And believe it or not, it worked! Here's some notes from my experiment, followed by my conclusion.

7PM Saturday -- I mash 4 seeds with a hammer and a rock. I put the powder in a shot glass and add a teaspoon of cold water -- stir. Five minutes later, I add a squeeze of lime juice and some sugar, stir, and shovel that whole mess into my mouth. It takes some getting used to to have a mouth full of seed grit. The seeds have no noticeable taste (thank god). I can only hold onto the mixture for 15 minutes, but I've already noticed a kind of light buzz, and a change in how I focus my thoughts. After spitting out the slurry, I enjoy a light, sedated feeling, very pleasant -- time is going by fast, then slow, then fast. The music is extremely enjoyable. My heart is racing, and my thoughts are positive. After an hour, I am able to go about doing chores etc.

11PM -- I grind up another 6 seeds. I want to see if LSA can be 'boosted' withough losing effectiveness entirely. This time I add a couple of teaspoons of water, then a tablespoon of orange juice. The lime juice I added last time seemed to make my mouth salivate a bit much. I then hold the seed grit in my mouth for about 15 minutes. This time, within 5 minutes, I start to notice cartoon buddha CEVs, and I think to myself, holy shit, this is it.

The sedation is very strong. I can see why people would classify this plant as an intoxicant as opposed to a psychedelic. I think it's a little of both, actually.

For about 3 or 4 hours I am just lying there, wide awake and yet dreaming. Spirits enter the room, then leave. I finally start to gather my senses together, and I realize the radio has been on the whole time, and I vaguely recall having heard the new P.J. Harvey and liking it a great deal, even though I can't recall a single note of it. I get up, my stomach is fine. No puking! 5AM I kind of go to sleep.

7PM Sunday -- having one more night to kill, I decide to use up my remaining HBWR seeds. I take 9 seeds, mash them down in the same way, add a little water, a little juice, and then hold the results in my mouth for about 20 minutes (you get the idea). An hour after spitting out the seeds, I feel very very relaxed, but my mind is working 'normally', and I decide a glass of wine would probably top off the relaxative effects (I'm normally so sick at this stage that I can't drink or eat anything).

Then I suddenly realize, I cannot walk without staggering! I'm slurring my words, and then I'm laughing at everything. Wow, that hit me hard and fast. I continue drinking wine and smoking pot, and I am getting so wildly intoxicated. I feel so good, and I realize that I've only drunk 2 glasses of wine. The waves of gentle happiness are crashing over me, and there's dreams and I'm talking directly to friends from long ago and far away, and they're answering me. I'm seeing double, and I need to lie down. There are tracers everywhere, and when I close my eyes I instantly start dreaming -- sleep and wakefulness are merely a function of eyelid position. My body is so relaxed, and seems thankful that I've made the decision to just say hell with it, let's get blitzed.

I came to about 4 AM, and I felt pretty good, a little groggy and over stimulated, but none the worse for wear.

Conclusion:

I believe that sublingual absorption allows me to experience the very pleasant intoxicating effects of HBWR without the nausea. I simply take my normal dose and add half that amount (eg: if I normally take 6 seeds swallowed, I use 9 for this method). I Grind the seeds as finely as possible, almost to a powderlike consistency. Then add a teaspoon of water, and a teaspoon or more of juice. Wait 5 minutes. Pour into mouth (including all the seed grit). DON'T SWALLOW any of it. Swirl the mush with the tongue every once in awhile. Hold for 15-30 minutes. Spit out. Go lie down, relax, have a good time.

-original- http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=5502

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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: Fungi_x]
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I wonder if an evaporated solution would be more effective.


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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: Adden]
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s2dope said:
I've done this and it worked fine.

Take a poland spring bottle, put some lime juice in it.
Have your pre-crushed seeds.
Mix powdered seeds into lime juice. Let sit in bottle.
Fill with juice.
Drink.


Edit: Another thing I wanted to add to this thread. After I drank about 10 beers one day I forgot I had plans to trip with my friend, so we did the seeds anyway. We puked. We puked bad. 1) Don't mix alcohol and these and 2) since then, I've become completely grossed out with having chunks in the mixture and having to swallow them. The last time I tripped, I filtered the mixture through cloth and got all of the chunks/non-powdered seeds out, and still tripped as hard as I would have had I swallowed the chunks.


Before you filtered out the grit, how long did you let it sit in the water and lime juice? Also how many seeds did you use the time you filtered it out?

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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: Rebirtha]
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Soaked about 30 mins. Something like 20-22, but it took me a lot to get a hard trip out of them. You develop a tolerance pretty quick.

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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: Adden]
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S_2 said:
Before you read on, I would like to make it clear that I don't exactly know much about the chemical properties of LSA, except that it is similarly structured to LSD and 1/10th-1/30th of the potency.

I ordered 50 seeds from Bouncing Bear Botanicals, and the first night I tried them, I peeled the fuzzy outer covering off of the seeds and ate eight of them with a friend of mine. We ate 2 every 15 minutes for an hour, and the trip didn't set in for at least another hour. We chewed the seeds until it was time to eat two more, so we were basically chewing for an entire hour straight.  We got horrible nausea and didn't trip that hard at all, but it was still enjoyable. Minor visuals nothing fancy.

Last night, we did this following method, and some of you mind find this helpful. None of us (3) got nausea AT ALL, and we all tripped really, really hard with a very quick onset and a very long peak.  Personally, I will never dose HBWR any other way.

1) Peel the fuzzy outer covering off of your seeds.
2) Grind in a coffee grinder into a fine powder.
3) Let soak in a few tablespoons of pure lime juice for 30 minutes in a decent sized drinking glass, mixing every 10 minutes.
4) After 30 minutes, mix the lime juice with a good amount of orange juice.
5) The last mouthful will be a lot of the hard, ground up powder. You can opt to chew it, but none of us did, we all chugged it, and tripped fine.

Within 20 minutes, you'll begin to feel the onset of the trip. It'll come on hard, and you'll be already be tripping before the nausea has a chance to kick in [or perhaps the lime juice killed the nauseating chemicals?]. Either way, you won't feel sick. I advise having some cannabis handy in case you do, as individual results/seeds/bodytypes vary.

edit: removed an unimportant step


Sounds like an EXCELLENT form of ingestion. And will be trying it tomorrow with 5 seeds. But i do have one question... How do i scrape off the outer coating??? Like what exactly do i do to peel off the fuzzy outer coating???


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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: skweenison]
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Yeah the fuzzy stuff. I stated off with a knife and was getting nowhere fast. Just use your fingernail, worked perfectly for me.

Also I am pretty certain its does nothing anyway. Kinda a myth from what I have read.

I still do it though for the hell of it.

Edited by DarkLikePoe (02/12/09 12:24 AM)

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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: DarkLikePoe]
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NEW MOD, ur slacking!!! :lol:

OP, we're not supposed to mention sources.

other than, glad you like lsa :grin: i do too


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Edited by just me (02/12/09 01:19 AM)

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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: just me]
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Was that the rule 5+ years ago?


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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: skweenison]
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this is a 5 year old thread.


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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: highdroponics]
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oh snaps!

i fell for it!

fuck you all

all of you

fuck you all

and u mofo...i got my eye on you now:evil:


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Re: HBWR preparation: zero nausea quick onset guaranteed [Re: Adden]
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This thread has been closed.

Reason:
skweenison - please don't bump ancient threads.

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