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Words, confronting denials, acceptance, and communication
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The other night a "friend", Kristen got drunk (as usual) and stayed the night at the same house as me.  In the morning she said something like, "Damn what time is it? 11?  I was supposed to give Alyssa a ride to work this morning at 10:30 so good thing she got a ride home from her brother last night."

I said, "Good thing your roommate recognizes that you are unreliable)

She got pissed.

I talked about this with another friend, Brian, who I had just spent 2 hours with talking online about the situation he put himself in where his best friend betrayed his trust by trying to get with the girl Brian liked. 

I tried to get Brian to confront his denials, his rationalizations and his desires that were formed out of fantasy and unrealistic hopes, he got pissed at first and after I forced him to admit to me that the matter obviously still bothered him, he came to terms with himself and admitted that it still bothered him.  After some badgering and some more denying and avoiding on his part, he finally admitted that it bothered him but he denied that it bothered to him earlier because he felt immature and he didn't want it to bother him. 

After that acceptance, I talked to him for a while giving him a different perspective on his situation and contributing additional insights.  He responded to the different ideas and questions I stated very receptively.  He admitted that in all honest he would like if someone talked shit about his former best friend.  He came to terms with alot of problems that his ego created for him but he still believed that these two were the ones primarily at fault (you may assume this too, but you don't know the complete context of the situation, so trust the stated opinion(s) please).

I told him the Kristen story and he said he thought I was pushing her buttons.  I asked if "pushing one's buttons" was not just a euphemism for confronting one's denials out loud.  He agreed but thought that the words and tone are what pissed her off, not the message.  I agreed but said that the message could have been entirely the same, but had I used more compassionate words than I would have soothed her ego into a more accepting and honest state.  After I told him, "selfishness is cultivated by denials
beasue denial is just a reflection of what you want and what you dont want
and expectating others to live up to your denials is a terrible thing", he had a realization that I evoked because I caused him to relate his situation to Kristen's, those three quoted lines above, and because I helped shape his ego into a more receptive and honestly accepting state.

I thought about the possibility that messages come from within the mind, but we send them through symbols known to us as words.  We all have different interpretations and associations with these symbols but the message is without interpretation, the interpretation is created through the use of words.  We can use certain words to more accurately and honestly reflect and communicate our message, or we can also use words egotistically; inhibiting our honesty, genuineness, and effectiveness of the message.

The listening mind receives the message and depending on its forcefulness (determined by word choice) can either accept, disagree, or egotistically deny the message.  If I had said the message in a 'nicer' way, Kristen would've realized that she should treat her roommate better and that she was undependable and selfish.  However, given the way I delivered my message, Kristen avoided the information concerning her roommate and only paid attention to the attitude and it's sender, that she perceived.

By using more compassionate words I can sooth her ego into a more accepting and receptive state.  Her ego possibly lets its guard down once it realizes it is no longer being threatened.  Associations with word choice and tone may threaten the ego and its self imposed beliefs, or it may bypass this filter possibly meant to protect humans from being exposed as socially inferior or to protect the ego's way of life it has created.  Perhaps the ego has evolved to protect its creations.

Anyway, the idea that this message (a pure thought, devoid of interpretation through symbols/words) is transferrable through means other than the 5 senses does not seem unlikely to me.  The ego could protect itself by blocking out telepathic communication, but ego's could directly send messages to other ego's, which the messages could then be interpreted back to signals.  The purpose for blocking out telepathic communication could be to let the ego's evolution and development continue, so the ego could adapt to its own environment and create other filters or defensive mechanisms that it needs to be more successful.  Once the ego evolves to the point where it no longer needs to evolve further, or gets to the point where it realizes it no longer needs to evolve further, then telepathic communication may be accessible.

Messages are within naturally, words are developed and learned as ways to deliver messages through the only means we know how.

Edited by NastyDHL (10/14/08 12:23 AM)

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Re: Words, confronting denials, acceptance, and communication [Re: NastyDHL]
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Listening to "threatening" language is usually very frustrating for me. I know people who get into fits of rage or fevered arguments in which every response seems designed to be as confrontational and denigrating as possible; of course the whole state of rage makes one self-righteously unapproachable. There is no practicality of communication with such behavior; the viewpoint by its own nature makes understanding impossible. When I hear these shouting matches I am eager to jump in as soon as possible with what seems to me the obvious peacemaking way of explaining the misunderstanding to one party or the other, "soothing the ego."

I'm interested in how you describe a thought devoid of interpretation through words etc. and if you're including cues of inflection and body language (and introspection?) in your idea of telepathy. You make a good point about denial reflecting selfishness, and you can extend this interpretation to every dialogue: my post's words mask a validation with my own findings, yours masks an intent to make yourself heard.

The most obvious example of this is with advice: the content of most advice is in itself meaningless, but the act of another person giving it - perhaps in a more confident way than the receiver has considered - makes the advice worthwhile and inspiring (sometimes, if one is receptive). And if we could mature to this understanding in terms of religion and ideology, we might not be so tied down to neverending disputes of words, because the underlying thoughts are mostly the same.

The "egoistic" dependence on word arguments perhaps signifies a feeling of solidarity with others of similar diction against those of a contradiction, the solidarity of any us vs. them dispute, as well as a personal insecurity regarding self-analysis. Maybe not enough words have been read to see how similar they can be.


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Re: Words, confronting denials, acceptance, and communication [Re: NastyDHL]
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Words are the oldest form of telepathy.


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Re: Words, confronting denials, acceptance, and communication [Re: NastyDHL]
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People dont like to be told about themselves, we like to think we know ourslves so well but in truth we dont know ourselves at all as any self knowledge is false knowledge based around a sense of individual self that doesnt actually exist

I find the non pointing out sometimes allows us room to reflect on our actions & see our troubles face to face, as sometimes pointing it out just causes resistance & denial which hides the truth, in silence the waters become calm & we can properly reflect on ourselves

Saying that sometimes the best thing you can do is tell someone where they are going wrong

For example if someone critisizes you & you react telling them how critical they are, they will be ensnared into an arguement & defend how right they are, but if they critisize you & you say nothing & walk away then they will be left with the fact of theyre critisizm to reflect upon...but some peole just gotta be told!


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Re: Words, confronting denials, acceptance, and communication [Re: zannennagara]
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"In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves."- Siddhartha Gautama

I would personally rather be told of my denials.  I want to grow as a person, and I don't want to stay stuck in my ignorant patterns.

Many people speak to others threateningly, this could be a sort of ego boost.  It's really kind of hard to understand when you are saying something to boost your ego until you get proper understanding of how it works, which is wisdom I hope to attain one day.

There are different types of threatening language; language intended to scare or intimidate, and language that conflicts with the ego and the beliefs it has created.  I suppose language intended to scare or intimidate would probably conflict with most egos as people don't like to believe another is superior to them.  Language that conflicts with the ego and its beliefs, however, usually make the listener angry, which shows that they no longer are accepting of the truth, only of their own desires and beliefs.

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