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 Re: A Self Sufficient Community  [Re: Swami]
#558462 - 02/21/02 11:14 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have never met a person who wasn't fear-based. From George Bush to my next-door neighbor...
So one must be enlightened to enter a community to bring about enlightenment?
No one said anything about enlightenment
The only requirement is that you care about other people and not only yourself. If that is enlightenment, then yes, you must be enlightened to enter.
Fear based means that is where that person spends 99% of their time.
I should elaborate on this. There are two types of people. Those centered in fear and those centered in love.
Those centered in fear use fear to get what they want. They use intimidation, violence, and so on in order to strike fear in others so that they can manipulate them. These are the service to self. They are readily identified as it will be as apparent as the color of their hair. I believe the Bible refers to it as "The mark of the beast"
A person that has chosen to live as service to self will be easily recognized. There is no maybe.
What type of filter are you going to use? A person or commity will decide? Then already power has reared it's ugly head. No way around that.
What power? All are welcome except those that care only for themselves. There is no power except that to deny people to enter that would disrupt the harmony of the community. There is no commitee or single person that will decide, the community as a whole will identify this person for their chosen soul orientation immediately and they will not be allowed to enter if they are service to self. Simple as that.
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
#558465 - 02/21/02 11:16 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, you can visit to see if you like it.
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
#558467 - 02/21/02 11:17 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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gaskin's people are running a community in TN...
(this year's winterstar symposium will focus on community; stephen & ina may gaskin will be among the presenters... www rosencomet.com )
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
#558481 - 02/21/02 11:37 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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What power? All are welcome except those that care only for themselves. There is no power except that to deny people to enter that would disrupt the harmony of the community. There is no commitee or single person that will decide, the community as a whole will identify this person for their chosen soul orientation immediately and they will not be allowed to enter if they are service to self. Simple as that.
So the initial group of people will be allowed in by you and your friends, so would be by and large a personality test or by what they could contribute in real-world talents (money, skills, connections, etc.). Or you would take in all the homeless if they had good hearts?
And you know that people will disrupt the community how? After damage has been done? How much drift is allowed? Three strikes? Can it be just what people "feel" i.e. "We don't like his attitude."? or must the transgressor have committed some rule violation? Will there be regular trials ("witch hunts") to determine who gets the axe?
If the community swells to a certain size, then commitees would have to be elected and then...
And if a few years down the road if the community wanted to eject some of the founders, they would go quietly - NOT!
Just be aware that real life will slap you in the face again and again. Every utopian dream ever conceived has been shattered, but go for it.
I was the bright-eyed idealist 25 years ago that you are today. May time and experience not make you the cynic that it has made me.
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
#558485 - 02/21/02 11:39 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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That statement already scares me. Who is to be the one to encourage or discourage anything? Ah, a leader, means all are not equal. If it is a document, then a legal system will arise as to it's interpretation. Then some sort of police are need to enforce the rules. Sound familiar?
I think you're taking meanings from something that isn't there. Sex is encouraged because it propegates our species. Not because I said so. I'm not a leader and there is no document. No police is neccessary.
Sex is a healthy part of any loving relationship between two people.
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
#558490 - 02/21/02 11:43 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I give up, there's no point arguing with you.
I was the close minded skeptic 10 years ago that you are today.
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
#558496 - 02/21/02 11:49 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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So the initial group of people will be allowed in by you and your friends, so would be by and large a personality test or by what they could contribute in real-world talents (money, skills, connections, etc.). Or you would take in all the homeless if they had good hearts?
We take in anyone who will work for the community. They choose what job they want based on what they think they would do best at and enjoy doing.
And you know that people will disrupt the community how? After damage has been done? How much drift is allowed? Three strikes? Can it be just what people "feel" i.e. "We don't like his attitude."? or must the transgressor have committed some rule violation? Will there be regular trials ("witch hunts") to determine who gets the axe?
Anyone who does not contribute to the community gets the axe. That's how we can tell.
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
#558502 - 02/21/02 12:02 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I give up, there's no point arguing with you.
There was actually no argument. Was just pointing out that a mental utopian experiment looks different when applied, but you will quickly discover that anyway.
I was the close minded skeptic 10 years ago that you are today.
Close-minded? We have covered this ground many times. I am many things, but not that, or at least not in the way that you mean it. Most of my opinions expressed on this board are as the result of in-depth research and study. I am hardly an arm-chair skeptic.
I actually lived at Ananda for a time and immersed myself as totally as I could. This is not some outsider point of view. Does history teach nothing? All I am doing is putting up a "Watch for Falling Rocks" sign, not trying to discourage you. Do you find there to be no wisdom in people that have walked a path before you?
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
#558505 - 02/21/02 12:11 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, I do appreciate where you are coming from. I'm sorry if I came off a bit harsh, I am just used to your negativity on my threads. I see Swami and I think fight. I need to get over that 
What I know is that we must learn from the failures of others and apply them to us. I definetely take into consideration the things that you say. Where others have failed, we shall prosper. Of course there will be problems, but we will do our best to face these problems head on and fix them and learn from them in the most constructive manner possible.
By the way.. if you still need a print hopefully I will have one for you in the next couple of days. All the caps I have gotten lately have been sterile but I have hope for the next batch 
Edited by Shroomism (02/21/02 12:13 PM)
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
#558592 - 02/21/02 01:29 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Check out this link.
http://www.santodaime.org/community/mapia.htm
This is a hybrid Christian/Shamanic church/community based on the use of Ayahuasca located in Brazil.
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
#558653 - 02/21/02 02:38 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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There's no way to create a utopia unless we try. I see what you are doing by trying to point out possible problems that will be encountered, and that is good. But having been an idealist once too, maybe you can use your knowledge, wisdom, and experience to offer suggestions about how to make it actually work. Sure, most communities will probably fail, but they will continue to fail if all that is thrown at them is negative energy. Lets work together to figure out a way to make this work, so that our dreams can be actualized and we can finally leave this backward society.
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
#558660 - 02/21/02 02:45 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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OK, I just read the link. That's pretty constructive. ... But my comment still holds for all the rest!
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This has to be the most intelligent thread that has ever been written here. I would love to help organize and support a project like this. If alot of people were interested then this project could succeed. I am currently investigating a commune on the big island that I could be starting, depending on a meeting I have to make with an important family member, and his friends. Also I have contacts to a huge government land auction that is being held currently on the big island, acres of hawaiian land could be sold as cheap as 10,ooo an acre, for shorefront! But still, I would be interested in something like this too. I wonder what kind of land deals one can get where you are. I think you would be better with solar power, the cheapest and most advanced alternative power source there is. You can power a well, heating and alot of appliances with an investment near 10000. I really don't know what kind of power your speaking of, maybe you can explain what it is.
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
#558950 - 02/21/02 08:15 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is very interesting, if not a little creepy. 
I'd like to check this out and visit, perhaps contribute sometime if the circumstances allow it.
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Ulysees]
#559047 - 02/21/02 09:50 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey Shroomism!
This is an awesome thread! If nothing else it will get people thinking.
Have you ever thought about land in Hawaii? Land on the big island is dirt cheap. It is also some of the most fertile land on the planet! Also the big Island is more than lage enough to have area to get inland and away from tidal waves. Also the climate is mild and there would be no harsh winters. Fish would be readily available, and rain for drinking water is no problem as the island is one of the wetest spots in the world. (also there is a natural purifieng system within the mountains) The somoans have survived there for thousands of years by living off of and respecting the land. The way I see it they have the perfect model to work from. The volcano might scare folks, but it has been survived many many times. Just a thought!
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
#559334 - 02/22/02 03:36 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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This sounds very intriguing. I, for a long time, have been wanting to leave this whole world behind, ever since I first read Tim Learys Psychedelic Experience, and thought about having a self sufficient "tribe" of people who are loving and compassionate, like me. I just have a few questions about your ideas:
1. Can you explain the "sophisticated barter system" and what kind of items are possessible. Is land possessible? Food? Tools? PEOPLE? (jk on the last one)
2. These council of seven people, how will they be chosen by the people? How often will these 'elections' be held? I don't think any major descisions should be held without a big group meeting where anyone should be able to say what they need to say. This would be pretty easy with a small amount of people (up to 100). Beyond a hundred, how could the elders know how to act in the best intrest of the entire community.
3. How would the community handle certain acts. Will their be a set of laws to live by, or would it be on a person by person basis of what to do? For example, if the girl in a couple cheats on her significant other with someone else. Would the communtity act against the adulterers, or would it just be a private matter? What about if there are children involved? Will their be a 'foster home' type thing?
What about someone stealing food?
4. What about drugs? How will the community handle drugs and abusers(notice I said abusers, people who take drug use to the extreme)? How will it handle the DEA trying to do raids and shit?
I know this is still just an idea, but I was wondering how far you are into this, and how ready this 'community' is to handle real situations. But it sounds great so far, something I could really see myself being a part of.
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#559352 - 02/22/02 04:43 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im in, but as posted earlier; I would like to visit your community first, but the idea sounds amazing even though it needs alot more work.....
Fucking great, lets go for it...
And read Island by Huxley to get some good tips....
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
#559382 - 02/22/02 06:52 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shroomism, I used to post on here a little while back under the name "dankvudu". I think I expressed interest in one of your posts about starting/joining a commune. Maybe my subteranean residence will be nearby...
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1. Can you explain the "sophisticated barter system" and what kind of items are possessible. Is land possessible? Food? Tools? PEOPLE? (jk on the last one)
Food, tools for your work, clothes, and living situations would be free, that would be included with your work as being a part of the community. Any thing you want beyond that; books, games, recreational items, basically any luxury item you can find someone to trade with. You could either provide them with a service in exchange for their item, or trade an item that you have. Whatever is fair is decided by the two trading people. For more complicated trades a neutral party can be brought in to decide if it is a fair trade.
2. These council of seven people, how will they be chosen by the people? How often will these 'elections' be held? I don't think any major descisions should be held without a big group meeting where anyone should be able to say what they need to say. This would be pretty easy with a small amount of people (up to 100). Beyond a hundred, how could the elders know how to act in the best intrest of the entire community.
The people of the community will decide who will be in the council based on the wisest, spiritualy neutral persons. The council has no power over the people but they would handle relations between other communities, and major decisions the community will bring to them. Nothing can be changed unless all of the citizens have agreed upon it and so has the council. Everyone gets to voice their opinion and everyone's opinion is taken into consideration. If someone is unhappy about something then the council will work on a way for everyone to benefit from a change. An election could be held every 2 years to decide the members of the council, but neccessary changes can be made at any time if the community decides that is the best thing to do.
The elders chosen would be the most "spiritually mature" persons in the group so that they can make decisions that will benefit the entire community. But again, they have no real power except as the final decision in changes that need to be made. If the entire community wants something to change then the council would most likely agree if it were in the best interest for everyone.
3. How would the community handle certain acts. Will their be a set of laws to live by, or would it be on a person by person basis of what to do? For example, if the girl in a couple cheats on her significant other with someone else. Would the communtity act against the adulterers, or would it just be a private matter?
There is only one law in the tribe, and that is as follows: All beings have the right to free will, so long as their free will does not impose on the free will of others. Basically everyone is expected to treat others with respect. If a girl cheats on her significant other, that matter is between the girl and her mate, unless both of them decide to bring a third party in to help with the situation.
What about if there are children involved? Will their be a 'foster home' type thing?
Children will not be considered possessions. Parents of children will realize that they are merely guides for their children, and that those children are spirits on their own path of learning and evolution, and the parents will do everything they can to help support and stimulate that child in whatever path that child desires in life.. support is the number one priority.
Children are raised by the community, not just the parents. Everyone shows support for the children as they are the future. A positive environment is provided at all times so that the children can keep their creative abilities and not be forced down by the community. They are encouraged to participate in gorup activities and hold the same responsibilities as the adults. They are not treated like possessions.
What about someone stealing food?
Stealing of food should never be an issue. Everyone will get as much food as they need for free. Should someone steal food, they will be talked to and told that they do not need to do such a thing, that the community will provide for them. They will not be punished but rather counseled to find out why they felt the need to steal food, and to get rid of that feeling. Blame or guilt will not be used because everyone makes mistakes. Learning from the mistakes is what is important, so that will be the main focus.
Everyone will be held responsible for their actions. Good or bad. When someone has done well they are cheered and encouraged for a job well done and when someone does something wrong, they are supported and encouraged to do the right thing. They are helped to see what they did that was not good, and then encouraged to think of a better way to handle it in the future. No one should feel bad or stupid for making a bad decision. Everyone is treated with kindness and respect at all times.
4. What about drugs? How will the community handle drugs and abusers(notice I said abusers, people who take drug use to the extreme)?
People who abuse drugs extremely will be talked to by the counselers and help them deal with that problem. Everyone is entitled to their own free will so they can do whatever they want to their body. But if an outside party observes someone damaging their body in such a way, they can step in and express their concern for that person out of love. Understanding and compassion for the fellow humans is top priority. We want to help each other.
4. How will it handle the DEA trying to do raids and shit?
This would not be an issue.
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: nugsarenice]
#559687 - 02/22/02 12:42 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think you would be better with solar power, the cheapest and most advanced alternative power source there is. You can power a well, heating and alot of appliances with an investment near 10000. I really don't know what kind of power your speaking of, maybe you can explain what it is.
I can tell you that there will be a perpetual power pack. Suffice it to say I cannot explain how they work. It is a clean, portable, and never ending supply of energy. Energy that produces energy. It is self sufficient and does not need to be replaced. If you have done any research you would know that there have been about 48 different kinds of these devices patented in the last 60 years by various individuals, but have been suppressed in order to milk the profits from the fossil fuel industry. Nikola Tesla was the first to invent such a thing. We will have one.
Also, other forms of energy are availabe such as what you suggested, solar power, wind power, water power... the everlasting kinetic energy of nature. These things can also be utilized.
As far as land in Hawaii.. that would be nice but we must be concerned about volcanic activity. The magnetic core of the Earth is heating up and fluctuating greatly. There will be a time in the near future when the plates shift and many volcanoes erupt. Hawaii is essentially the top of an underwater volcano.
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