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A Self Sufficient Community
    #558160 - 02/21/02 02:40 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

Greetings all!
Well.. I have been quite busy lately with life and all, you know how it is. But myself and several others have been planning to start a community that is 100% self sufficient. When? Probably around January next year.
Where? Nothing is set in stone right now but we have been thinking the Appalachian Mountains in the West Virginia area, or perhaps farther out west, Coloradoish.
All are invited to come live in this community, but there are several rules to follow.
1. You must have a job that contributes to the good of the rest of the community.
2. You must dedicate yourself to the benefit of the others in the community first and foremost.
3. Love and acceptance is the number one priority of all beings.

The concept of this community is a simple one. It is a service-to-other envrionment. Meaning that everyone takes care of everyone else, so that everyone's needs are taken care of.

There will be no money in this society. There will be no need for it. Everyone's basic needs will be completely taken care of (Food, Shelter, Health Care, Schooling, etc.) so long as they contribute to the community. Any material possessions that you want can be obtained through a sophisticated barter system.

There will be many specific jobs in this community, and everyone will find their particular niche in this environment. Some of the jobs include:

- Farmers (Growing and tending for crops)
- Cooks
- Builders
- Healers (Accupunturists, Lightworkers, Holistic Healing, herbal healing, etc)
- Teachers (Spiritual, Science, and so on)
- Mediators (These people will ensure that things remain fair, and will also be used as a neutral stance for arguments and such)
- Counselers (Therapist type people for people to come to just to talk about their problems or whatever they want)

Those are the 7 main jobs, of course there are more jobs but these compose the bulk of the community.

All people are equal. There is no person who ranks higher than another, and no one person has complete power. There will be a council of 7 people who will be chosen by the citizens of the community for their integrity, wisdom, fairness, and such. This council will handle the larger issues of the community. (Such as dealing with other outside communities, they are considered the representatives of the community) They will have no power over the citizens other than the power to kick a person out of the community if they deem them to be deliberately causing trouble or bringing negative vibrations to the group. Everyone will be treated with the utmost respect, acceptance and love, and no one will be kicked out except under the most extreme circumstances.

Power will be free and available to everyone.
Food is free and available to everyone.
Everyone will recieve an apartment according to the size of their group (Free)

Well.. that's the basics. Of course there will be an initial starting cost for supplies/land etc. Everyone is encouraged to bring anything they can that will help. We will be allied with many other communities that are similar to ours, communication and trade between different service-to-other communities is highly encouraged.

Anyone who is only concerned for their own well being and no one elses is not invited. If you fall under this category and show up, expect to be kicked out into the cold, dark woods. With no sympathy. The only requirement to join is that you have chosen to be a service-to-other. Service-To-Other beings take care of other beings that are service-to-other. We take care of each other. We do not help the Service-To-Self beings at all, since they have chosen to be on their own, they will only help themselves and do not care about the rest of the community.
This is a community centered in Love and Light. No fear based beings who use deception or intimidation as their primary tactics will be allowed to enter.

Well, that covers the basics. If you are interested or have any questions feel free. This is a collective effort between many people, so all ideas are considered. We will work out all the details as time goes on.


Love and Light

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #558244 - 02/21/02 07:00 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

How big would these self-sufficient communities be? And what level of technology would they have?

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: skaMariaPastora]
    #558248 - 02/21/02 07:10 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

Anywhere from 30-1,000 people. Although more could be accomodated. And the technology level is very high for some things. The power source is very high-tech. (Nikola Tesla style perpetual energy) Details are not allowed to be divulged at this time pertaining to that however.
Basically a lot of technology will be used, but no technology that damages the environment or goes against nature will be used. Only that which cooperates with nature, such as recyclable energy.

Edited by Shroomism (02/21/02 07:33 AM)

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #558291 - 02/21/02 08:25 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

This is a noble idea. I don't mean to be negative, but it is worthwhile to look at Ananda, the only surviving commune from the 60s. They are based on Paramahansa's spiritual teachings that are very much service to others.

They have spent millions fighting the Self-Realization Fellowship, a group from which they splintered, for the rights to Yogananda's writings. Recently the "celibate monk" Swami Kriyanada was forced to leave the country for using his position of leadership for sexual exploitation.

The vacuum created by his departure has brought up many internal power struggles.

My point is that even people who dedicate their lives to meditation and service still have huge egos and the same types of friction and problems exist among it's members as in society-at-large.

After 34 years as a successful community, their population is a mere 300 people. Obviously this model is not widely accepted as the Utopia it was designed to be.

Good luck in avoiding the mistakes that every other community experiment has made.


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
    #558318 - 02/21/02 08:54 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

> My point is that even people who dedicate their lives to meditation and
> service still have huge egos and the same types of friction and problems
> exist among it's members as in society-at-large.

This is true with zen monks as well. I think it comes from the idea that a person is either enlightened or not. If a person is enlightened, then they are somehow better than the rest of us. This simply is not true.

My experience has been that enlightenment is a momentary state of mind. If you are enlightened, then you don't know it... the state of mind wont allow it. If you think you are enlightened, then obviously you are not.

Huge or small, the ego is a tricky beast to tame.

Back to the community, have you considered moving somewhere outside of the US? There are some places left in the world that aren't policed by draconian governments... places that still believe in freedom, places that wont toss you in jail for the rest of your life because you were growing a plant which God provided or eating a cactus for guidance like your ancestors for thousands of years have done...


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #558344 - 02/21/02 09:19 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
    #558362 - 02/21/02 09:40 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

Sex is encouraged between two lovers. It is healthy.

Good luck in avoiding the mistakes that every other community experiment has made.

Thank you. Whatever problems we may run into will be considered a learning experience, not something to use as guilt or to gain power.
May the force be with us.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Lallafa]
    #558364 - 02/21/02 09:43 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

them there communes dont seems to work with ole capitalism about

Capitalism will be obsolete and will not last any longer than ten years. You can quote me on that one.

Edited by Shroomism (02/21/02 09:43 AM)

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Seuss]
    #558372 - 02/21/02 09:46 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

Back to the community, have you considered moving somewhere outside of the US? There are some places left in the world that aren't policed by draconian governments... places that still believe in freedom, places that wont toss you in jail for the rest of your life because you were growing a plant which God provided or eating a cactus for guidance like your ancestors for thousands of years have done...

We are not concerned with the government at all. They are for the most part service-to-self, greedy power hungry mongers. If it becomes an issue we will go to Canada.

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    #558379 - 02/21/02 09:53 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #558382 - 02/21/02 09:56 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Lallafa]
    #558391 - 02/21/02 10:04 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

what happened to the service to self peoples?
you arent going to rid the world of capitalism without a fight to the death.
the capitalists have guns, tanks, bombs, and hundreds of thousands of troops ready for war. what do your communes have?


Peace, no guns, no tanks, no bombs, and no troops. They will either blow themselves up first or be killed by the tidal waves and whatnot. If they see it coming they will escape to their little underground city in Mt. Weather and emerge a year later to find they have no tanks, no guns, no bombs, no troops, and no power.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #558412 - 02/21/02 10:22 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

Hate to tell ya but my government with all our guns, tanks, bombs, etc will fuck you hippies up 10 out of 10 times. And i'm just curious how u know about all these tidal waves and whatnot and the rest of us don't seem to know jack. And if your idea is so good how come no one else has thought of something so simple and if they have how come the rest of us seem to be running the show?


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ncshroomer]
    #558422 - 02/21/02 10:38 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

Why don't you wait and see for yourself?
Guns are for pussies.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Seuss]
    #558427 - 02/21/02 10:44 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

There are some places left in the world that aren't policed by draconian governments... places that still believe in freedom, places that wont toss you in jail for the rest of your life because you were growing a plant...

At this date growing marijuana is illegal in every single country on earth.

Please post these idyllic locations where man can be free.


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ncshroomer]
    #558431 - 02/21/02 10:48 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

well, atleast it seems you're trustworthy.


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
    #558434 - 02/21/02 10:50 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

one of my teachers told me it was legal to grow up to ten plants in australia i'm not too sure about that but it could be. shroomism once you get this going could some of us stop by for a weeks stay to see what it's like and decide from there on to move in or what? cos i don't think many of us have experienced life like that and better than having people go into a situation that they have never lived in they can get a small taste of it and go on it from there but i gotta say it sounds like a good idea. another thing is there an age restriction? say teens? but i doubt it since you said there wont be any regard for the law and that's the way it should be good luck on this venture and hope to see you sometime in the near future

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #558445 - 02/21/02 10:56 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

No fear based beings who use deception or intimidation as their primary tactics will be allowed to enter.

I have never met a person who wasn't fear-based. From George Bush to my next-door neighbor...

So one must be enlightened to enter a community to bring about enlightenment?

What type of filter are you going to use? A person or commity will decide? Then already power has reared it's ugly head. No way around that.




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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #558451 - 02/21/02 11:04 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

Sex is encouraged between two lovers.

That statement already scares me. Who is to be the one to encourage or discourage anything? Ah, a leader, means all are not equal. If it is a document, then a legal system will arise as to it's interpretation. Then some sort of police are need to enforce the rules. Sound familiar?

A community is chaos-in-action. The smallest perturbation will send it spinning off in a direction never foreseen.


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Lallafa]
    #558454 - 02/21/02 11:06 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

I don't believe he meant to take on the capitalist societies and defeat them in some military fashion. He probably meant that capitalism will rot upon itself or come to doom through some indirect means. Something I consider unlikely to happen, especially in less than 2 years. Capitalism has had influence from the times of Babylon and it will be around for a while just yet.

About the commune though, it was said that it would have the highest level of technology but I wonder how are they going to acquire this technology or even them means to utilize it? Will you be producers of this technology(and text books for learning as well) or will you somehow have cash on hand to deal with the outside world or will you try to barter with them? I'm curious to see how a technological advanced society would survive w/o being a producer of it's own supplies.

Another thing I would like to address is that the point that this society will not care or be involved with the American society at large and therefore does not necessarily have to move to another country with less draconian governments. That's fine. What happens however when a nearby community feels threatened by your unorthodox methods and appeals to some go vernment authority who takes it upon themselves to correct this "problem." What happens when the government wants you to do as they say and not as you dream? The government doesn't care if you're seperate. To them you live within the borders of what is defined as the United States of America and are subject to its laws. The American Indians never believed themselves to be subject to our government and they were herded onto useless tracts of land.

Not to be a pessimist though. Actually I hope it does work out despite all the forces working against it. Best of luck



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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
    #558462 - 02/21/02 11:14 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

I have never met a person who wasn't fear-based. From George Bush to my next-door neighbor...
So one must be enlightened to enter a community to bring about enlightenment?


No one said anything about enlightenment
The only requirement is that you care about other people and not only yourself. If that is enlightenment, then yes, you must be enlightened to enter.

Fear based means that is where that person spends 99% of their time.
I should elaborate on this. There are two types of people. Those centered in fear and those centered in love.
Those centered in fear use fear to get what they want. They use intimidation, violence, and so on in order to strike fear in others so that they can manipulate them. These are the service to self. They are readily identified as it will be as apparent as the color of their hair. I believe the Bible refers to it as "The mark of the beast"
A person that has chosen to live as service to self will be easily recognized. There is no maybe.

What type of filter are you going to use? A person or commity will decide? Then already power has reared it's ugly head. No way around that.

What power? All are welcome except those that care only for themselves. There is no power except that to deny people to enter that would disrupt the harmony of the community. There is no commitee or single person that will decide, the community as a whole will identify this person for their chosen soul orientation immediately and they will not be allowed to enter if they are service to self. Simple as that.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #558465 - 02/21/02 11:16 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

Yes, you can visit to see if you like it.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
    #558467 - 02/21/02 11:17 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

gaskin's people are running a community in TN...
(this year's winterstar symposium will focus on community; stephen & ina may gaskin will be among the presenters... www rosencomet.com )


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #558481 - 02/21/02 11:37 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

What power? All are welcome except those that care only for themselves. There is no power except that to deny people to enter that would disrupt the harmony of the community. There is no commitee or single person that will decide, the community as a whole will identify this person for their chosen soul orientation immediately and they will not be allowed to enter if they are service to self. Simple as that.

So the initial group of people will be allowed in by you and your friends, so would be by and large a personality test or by what they could contribute in real-world talents (money, skills, connections, etc.). Or you would take in all the homeless if they had good hearts?

And you know that people will disrupt the community how? After damage has been done? How much drift is allowed? Three strikes? Can it be just what people "feel" i.e. "We don't like his attitude."? or must the transgressor have committed some rule violation? Will there be regular trials ("witch hunts") to determine who gets the axe?

If the community swells to a certain size, then commitees would have to be elected and then...

And if a few years down the road if the community wanted to eject some of the founders, they would go quietly - NOT!

Just be aware that real life will slap you in the face again and again. Every utopian dream ever conceived has been shattered, but go for it.

I was the bright-eyed idealist 25 years ago that you are today. May time and experience not make you the cynic that it has made me.


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
    #558485 - 02/21/02 11:39 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

That statement already scares me. Who is to be the one to encourage or discourage anything? Ah, a leader, means all are not equal. If it is a document, then a legal system will arise as to it's interpretation. Then some sort of police are need to enforce the rules. Sound familiar?

I think you're taking meanings from something that isn't there. Sex is encouraged because it propegates our species. Not because I said so. I'm not a leader and there is no document. No police is neccessary.

Sex is a healthy part of any loving relationship between two people.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
    #558490 - 02/21/02 11:43 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

I give up, there's no point arguing with you.

I was the close minded skeptic 10 years ago that you are today.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
    #558496 - 02/21/02 11:49 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

So the initial group of people will be allowed in by you and your friends, so would be by and large a personality test or by what they could contribute in real-world talents (money, skills, connections, etc.). Or you would take in all the homeless if they had good hearts?

We take in anyone who will work for the community. They choose what job they want based on what they think they would do best at and enjoy doing.

And you know that people will disrupt the community how? After damage has been done? How much drift is allowed? Three strikes? Can it be just what people "feel" i.e. "We don't like his attitude."? or must the transgressor have committed some rule violation? Will there be regular trials ("witch hunts") to determine who gets the axe?

Anyone who does not contribute to the community gets the axe. That's how we can tell.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #558502 - 02/21/02 12:02 PM (22 years, 10 days ago)

I give up, there's no point arguing with you.

There was actually no argument. Was just pointing out that a mental utopian experiment looks different when applied, but you will quickly discover that anyway.

I was the close minded skeptic 10 years ago that you are today.

Close-minded? We have covered this ground many times. I am many things, but not that, or at least not in the way that you mean it. Most of my opinions expressed on this board are as the result of in-depth research and study. I am hardly an arm-chair skeptic.

I actually lived at Ananda for a time and immersed myself as totally as I could. This is not some outsider point of view. Does history teach nothing? All I am doing is putting up a "Watch for Falling Rocks" sign, not trying to discourage you. Do you find there to be no wisdom in people that have walked a path before you?


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
    #558505 - 02/21/02 12:11 PM (22 years, 10 days ago)

No, I do appreciate where you are coming from. I'm sorry if I came off a bit harsh, I am just used to your negativity on my threads. I see Swami and I think fight. I need to get over that :laugh:

What I know is that we must learn from the failures of others and apply them to us. I definetely take into consideration the things that you say. Where others have failed, we shall prosper. Of course there will be problems, but we will do our best to face these problems head on and fix them and learn from them in the most constructive manner possible.


By the way.. if you still need a print hopefully I will have one for you in the next couple of days. All the caps I have gotten lately have been sterile but I have hope for the next batch :smile: 

Edited by Shroomism (02/21/02 12:13 PM)

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #558592 - 02/21/02 01:29 PM (22 years, 10 days ago)

Check out this link.

http://www.santodaime.org/community/mapia.htm

This is a hybrid Christian/Shamanic church/community based on the use of Ayahuasca located in Brazil.


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
    #558653 - 02/21/02 02:38 PM (22 years, 10 days ago)

There's no way to create a utopia unless we try. I see what you are doing by trying to point out possible problems that will be encountered, and that is good. But having been an idealist once too, maybe you can use your knowledge, wisdom, and experience to offer suggestions about how to make it actually work. Sure, most communities will probably fail, but they will continue to fail if all that is thrown at them is negative energy. Lets work together to figure out a way to make this work, so that our dreams can be actualized and we can finally leave this backward society.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Swami]
    #558660 - 02/21/02 02:45 PM (22 years, 10 days ago)

OK, I just read the link. That's pretty constructive. ... But my comment still holds for all the rest!

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: skaMariaPastora]
    #558839 - 02/21/02 06:17 PM (22 years, 10 days ago)

This has to be the most intelligent thread that has ever been written here. I would love to help organize and support a project like this. If alot of people were interested then this project could succeed. I am currently investigating a commune on the big island that I could be starting, depending on a meeting I have to make with an important family member, and his friends. Also I have contacts to a huge government land auction that is being held currently on the big island, acres of hawaiian land could be sold as cheap as 10,ooo an acre, for shorefront! But still, I would be interested in something like this too. I wonder what kind of land deals one can get where you are. I think you would be better with solar power, the cheapest and most advanced alternative power source there is. You can power a well, heating and alot of appliances with an investment near 10000. I really don't know what kind of power your speaking of, maybe you can explain what it is.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #558950 - 02/21/02 08:15 PM (22 years, 10 days ago)

This is very interesting, if not a little creepy. :wink:
I'd like to check this out and visit, perhaps contribute sometime if the circumstances allow it. 


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Ulysees]
    #559047 - 02/21/02 09:50 PM (22 years, 10 days ago)

Hey Shroomism!
This is an awesome thread! If nothing else it will get people thinking.
Have you ever thought about land in Hawaii? Land on the big island is dirt cheap. It is also some of the most fertile land on the planet! Also the big Island is more than lage enough to have area to get inland and away from tidal waves. Also the climate is mild and there would be no harsh winters. Fish would be readily available, and rain for drinking water is no problem as the island is one of the wetest spots in the world. (also there is a natural purifieng system within the mountains) The somoans have survived there for thousands of years by living off of and respecting the land. The way I see it they have the perfect model to work from. The volcano might scare folks, but it has been survived many many times. Just a thought!


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #559334 - 02/22/02 03:36 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

This sounds very intriguing. I, for a long time, have been wanting to leave this whole world behind, ever since I first read Tim Learys Psychedelic Experience, and thought about having a self sufficient "tribe" of people who are loving and compassionate, like me. I just have a few questions about your ideas:

1. Can you explain the "sophisticated barter system" and what kind of items are possessible. Is land possessible? Food? Tools? PEOPLE? (jk on the last one)
2. These council of seven people, how will they be chosen by the people? How often will these 'elections' be held? I don't think any major descisions should be held without a big group meeting where anyone should be able to say what they need to say. This would be pretty easy with a small amount of people (up to 100). Beyond a hundred, how could the elders know how to act in the best intrest of the entire community.
3. How would the community handle certain acts. Will their be a set of laws to live by, or would it be on a person by person basis of what to do? For example, if the girl in a couple cheats on her significant other with someone else. Would the communtity act against the adulterers, or would it just be a private matter? What about if there are children involved? Will their be a 'foster home' type thing?
What about someone stealing food?
4. What about drugs? How will the community handle drugs and abusers(notice I said abusers, people who take drug use to the extreme)? How will it handle the DEA trying to do raids and shit?

I know this is still just an idea, but I was wondering how far you are into this, and how ready this 'community' is to handle real situations. But it sounds great so far, something I could really see myself being a part of.


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To all the friends I used to have,
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #559352 - 02/22/02 04:43 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

Im in, but as posted earlier; I would like to visit your community first, but the idea sounds amazing even though it needs alot more work.....

Fucking great, lets go for it...

And read Island by Huxley to get some good tips....

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #559382 - 02/22/02 06:52 AM (22 years, 10 days ago)

Shroomism, I used to post on here a little while back under the name "dankvudu". I think I expressed interest in one of your posts about starting/joining a commune. Maybe my subteranean residence will be nearby...


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"Tyin' off the dinosaur tonight used to be so cool, but now I've got the needle, and I can't shake, but I can't breathe, you take it away, but I want more and more, one day I'm gonna loose the war..."
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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: psillyshroompha]
    #559674 - 02/22/02 12:30 PM (22 years, 9 days ago)

1. Can you explain the "sophisticated barter system" and what kind of items are possessible. Is land possessible? Food? Tools? PEOPLE? (jk on the last one)

Food, tools for your work, clothes, and living situations would be free, that would be included with your work as being a part of the community. Any thing you want beyond that; books, games, recreational items, basically any luxury item you can find someone to trade with. You could either provide them with a service in exchange for their item, or trade an item that you have. Whatever is fair is decided by the two trading people. For more complicated trades a neutral party can be brought in to decide if it is a fair trade.

2. These council of seven people, how will they be chosen by the people? How often will these 'elections' be held? I don't think any major descisions should be held without a big group meeting where anyone should be able to say what they need to say. This would be pretty easy with a small amount of people (up to 100). Beyond a hundred, how could the elders know how to act in the best intrest of the entire community.


The people of the community will decide who will be in the council based on the wisest, spiritualy neutral persons. The council has no power over the people but they would handle relations between other communities, and major decisions the community will bring to them. Nothing can be changed unless all of the citizens have agreed upon it and so has the council. Everyone gets to voice their opinion and everyone's opinion is taken into consideration. If someone is unhappy about something then the council will work on a way for everyone to benefit from a change. An election could be held every 2 years to decide the members of the council, but neccessary changes can be made at any time if the community decides that is the best thing to do.

The elders chosen would be the most "spiritually mature" persons in the group so that they can make decisions that will benefit the entire community. But again, they have no real power except as the final decision in changes that need to be made. If the entire community wants something to change then the council would most likely agree if it were in the best interest for everyone.

3. How would the community handle certain acts. Will their be a set of laws to live by, or would it be on a person by person basis of what to do? For example, if the girl in a couple cheats on her significant other with someone else. Would the communtity act against the adulterers, or would it just be a private matter?

There is only one law in the tribe, and that is as follows: All beings have the right to free will, so long as their free will does not impose on the free will of others. Basically everyone is expected to treat others with respect. If a girl cheats on her significant other, that matter is between the girl and her mate, unless both of them decide to bring a third party in to help with the situation.

What about if there are children involved? Will their be a 'foster home' type thing?

Children will not be considered possessions. Parents of children will realize that they are merely guides for their children, and that those children are spirits on their own path of learning and evolution, and the parents will do everything they can to help support and stimulate that child in whatever path that child desires in life.. support is the number one priority.
Children are raised by the community, not just the parents. Everyone shows support for the children as they are the future. A positive environment is provided at all times so that the children can keep their creative abilities and not be forced down by the community. They are encouraged to participate in gorup activities and hold the same responsibilities as the adults. They are not treated like possessions.

What about someone stealing food?

Stealing of food should never be an issue. Everyone will get as much food as they need for free. Should someone steal food, they will be talked to and told that they do not need to do such a thing, that the community will provide for them. They will not be punished but rather counseled to find out why they felt the need to steal food, and to get rid of that feeling. Blame or guilt will not be used because everyone makes mistakes. Learning from the mistakes is what is important, so that will be the main focus.
Everyone will be held responsible for their actions. Good or bad. When someone has done well they are cheered and encouraged for a job well done and when someone does something wrong, they are supported and encouraged to do the right thing. They are helped to see what they did that was not good, and then encouraged to think of a better way to handle it in the future. No one should feel bad or stupid for making a bad decision. Everyone is treated with kindness and respect at all times.


4. What about drugs? How will the community handle drugs and abusers(notice I said abusers, people who take drug use to the extreme)?

People who abuse drugs extremely will be talked to by the counselers and help them deal with that problem. Everyone is entitled to their own free will so they can do whatever they want to their body. But if an outside party observes someone damaging their body in such a way, they can step in and express their concern for that person out of love. Understanding and compassion for the fellow humans is top priority. We want to help each other.

4. How will it handle the DEA trying to do raids and shit?

This would not be an issue.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: nugsarenice]
    #559687 - 02/22/02 12:42 PM (22 years, 9 days ago)

I think you would be better with solar power, the cheapest and most advanced alternative power source there is. You can power a well, heating and alot of appliances with an investment near 10000. I really don't know what kind of power your speaking of, maybe you can explain what it is.

I can tell you that there will be a perpetual power pack. Suffice it to say I cannot explain how they work. It is a clean, portable, and never ending supply of energy. Energy that produces energy. It is self sufficient and does not need to be replaced. If you have done any research you would know that there have been about 48 different kinds of these devices patented in the last 60 years by various individuals, but have been suppressed in order to milk the profits from the fossil fuel industry. Nikola Tesla was the first to invent such a thing. We will have one.
Also, other forms of energy are availabe such as what you suggested, solar power, wind power, water power... the everlasting kinetic energy of nature. These things can also be utilized.

As far as land in Hawaii.. that would be nice but we must be concerned about volcanic activity. The magnetic core of the Earth is heating up and fluctuating greatly. There will be a time in the near future when the plates shift and many volcanoes erupt. Hawaii is essentially the top of an underwater volcano.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #559797 - 02/22/02 02:27 PM (22 years, 9 days ago)

Sorry man, I hate to have to tell ya this but you may need to ease off of the happy drugs just a wee bit.


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #560390 - 02/23/02 02:21 AM (22 years, 9 days ago)

i would love to join the community shroomism. sounds great. sounds like what i've been talkin to my friends about for years. adios. peace.


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: ]
    #560419 - 02/23/02 03:18 AM (22 years, 9 days ago)

Starting a self suffeciant comunity would be no easy task, especialy a large scale one. I suggest starting small with just friends/family/ being partley self sufficiant and taking on more slowly, as you learn to maintain such a comunity.When you are ready to start the community be sure to post your proggress here, i would love to come visit and try it out. Good luck!

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: God_Killer]
    #560642 - 02/23/02 12:44 PM (22 years, 8 days ago)

Sorry man, I hate to have to tell ya this but you may need to ease off of the happy drugs just a wee bit.

What exactly is a happy drug? Seratonin?

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Anonymous]
    #8926746 - 09/14/08 01:08 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

So how exactly did this commune turn out?

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Zangar]
    #8927133 - 09/14/08 03:39 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well, as the proposer of this particular commune was into the book "The Secret" and space aliens, I believe it is safe to surmise:

Not a damned thing. The drugs wore off and he went back to his gig at Burger King.


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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Hiroller]
    #8927969 - 09/14/08 10:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

This seems like recipe for failure. First of all, Rule #2 puts selflessness as a moral virtue. If being selfless is good, then that can only mean, by your definition, that selfishness is wrong; hence the self is something to be abhorred. Also, power is available to everyone? This could create several problems.

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Re: A Self Sufficient Community [Re: Boots]
    #8928034 - 09/14/08 10:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

All you have to do to game this system is get in good with the seven.  Then extra fine food, extravagant shelter, and extra gas rations are yours.  An easy job will be given as well.  In short it is a breeding ground for political flunkies.

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