Itzpointless said:

Projektrecon said:

Its all just a dream......

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

I'm going to rob you of your senses and show you you know nothing.

But, neither do I know anything either.

This post will be a bit of a mindfuck, so only read on if you are up for that and if you're open to what I'm telling you. Anything anyone says can be countered with "no I don't think so" so this post is only for those willing to think along

Here we go..

You are likely sitting in front of your computer at a desk or similar place. Before you go "duuuh" at that, verify how you know that.

You could say: I see the room, feel my ass on the chair, smell the room, hear the noises of my environment..

But that isn't true.

When you look, you don't actually SEE what is out there. According to our understanding of biology, the senses provide a coded sensory feed to the brain through your neurons, like a webcam translates what it "sees" to a coded string of intermitted electricity that can be sent through the wire to your computer.

There could be a trillion colors out there, but the human eye can see only so many. In the dark, you cannot see the body heat of your partner, or the coolness of the fridge for instance.

Instead we get an interpretation of what might be out there, and it is like that with all our senses.

So all the world out there, the screen you see, the chair beneath you, the scent of the flowers in your windowsill, this whole world you are used to experiencing, it is not what is actually out there. It is at best an interpretation of what is out there. You do not experience the world. You experience sensory feed.

How far down the rabbit's hole are you willing to go?

Your body, too, you only know of your sensory feed. You could say "this is my arm" because you sense that it is there in many ways.

But is it?

We know that what you know as your arm is at most a limited perception of what it might be. You have no idea what your arm in reality is, all you have is sensory feed that gives you an impression of your arm.

The arm might in fact not even exist.

Here I'm going to lose a few but bear with me.

You can feel your arm and say "this is my arm". But all you really got as proof is an awareness of an arm, according to biology an awareness generated by a very limited perception of what it really might be.

You can move your arm around and go "look" but what does it prove? All you have is sensory feed of an arm moving. There might not even be motion. There might not even be an arm.

Lets take it up a notch.

You could say: "eyes translate what they see to sensory feed, so there has to be something that is an arm."

But we only know eyes through awareness of eyes. We only know neurons transmitting the data feed through perception of them. We only know brains and what they do through our perception of them.

We don't know if there really is an arm. We don't know if there are senses, neurons and brains.

The entire world as we know it may not exist. Your body in that world may not exist. All things we know could well be illusory.

So what is left?

Close your eyes for a moment and observe.

There is within you an Awareness. It is like the open sky. Through it float thoughts, emotions and sensations.

All that you believe in or don't believe in, are based upon observation, and speculation on observation. Now we have begun eliminating that which may be illusory, we have eliminated the world as you know it and your body as we know it.

Now comes the most difficult move of all.

You have lived your life and built a personality on those experiences. But the experiences may well be illusory. That means that even your Self, the "I" that is laughing, crying, loving, hating, enjoying and suffering, may be illusory. Even this persona you hold so dear, this "I" you cling onto so tenaciously.. Is not what you are.

So what are you?

You are Awareness, nothing but pure awareness. You are like the open sky, limitless, and clouds of thought, emotion and perception float through it. But they are not what you are. What you are is the Awareness itself.

You say your arm is yours because you sense it, but you sense the chair too, and the world around you.

You insist on saying you are separate from the world, but are you? Your arm and the chair both are clouds of sensation in the open sky of Awareness, that is what you really are.

There is no Me & The Universe, there is no Universe and there is no Me. All there is is Awareness, and things moving, ever-changing in that Awareness. There is no outside world or inside world, it is all One.

All that separates you and me is that different thoughts, emotions and sensations flow through us. The ten thousand  miles between us only exist in the thoughts, emotions and sensations that flow through us. But the Awareness may be one and the same.

All Awarenesses may be One, and all the thought, emotion and sensation its creation. We are One. We are the Force Without Form experiencing Itself.

If a big comet comes and wipes us all out, it will destroy the world and our bodies, all of which are illusory. But what we are is Awareness, pure consciousness, we never were anything other or more than that. We have always been Awareness and always will be, for it is all we are and can be.

Birth and death are just illusion, with birth the illusion that is our body is born into the illusion that is the world, and with death we leave it all behind, shed the illusion.

But Awareness, pure Consciousness, is all we ever were and will be, because it is all we ever can be.

We are the Force Without Form experiencing itself.

That is all.

Quote:

maybey that happens when you trip?

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Wiccan_Seeker, taking LSD so you don't have to

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

I'm going to rob you of your senses and show you you know nothing.

But, neither do I know anything either.

This post will be a bit of a mindfuck, so only read on if you are up for that and if you're open to what I'm telling you. Anything anyone says can be countered with "no I don't think so" so this post is only for those willing to think along

Here we go..

You are likely sitting in front of your computer at a desk or similar place. Before you go "duuuh" at that, verify how you know that.

You could say: I see the room, feel my ass on the chair, smell the room, hear the noises of my environment..

But that isn't true.

When you look, you don't actually SEE what is out there. According to our understanding of biology, the senses provide a coded sensory feed to the brain through your neurons, like a webcam translates what it "sees" to a coded string of intermitted electricity that can be sent through the wire to your computer.

There could be a trillion colors out there, but the human eye can see only so many. In the dark, you cannot see the body heat of your partner, or the coolness of the fridge for instance.

Instead we get an interpretation of what might be out there, and it is like that with all our senses.

So all the world out there, the screen you see, the chair beneath you, the scent of the flowers in your windowsill, this whole world you are used to experiencing, it is not what is actually out there. It is at best an interpretation of what is out there. You do not experience the world. You experience sensory feed.

How far down the rabbit's hole are you willing to go?

Your body, too, you only know of your sensory feed. You could say "this is my arm" because you sense that it is there in many ways.

But is it?

We know that what you know as your arm is at most a limited perception of what it might be. You have no idea what your arm in reality is, all you have is sensory feed that gives you an impression of your arm.

The arm might in fact not even exist.

Here I'm going to lose a few but bear with me.

You can feel your arm and say "this is my arm". But all you really got as proof is an awareness of an arm, according to biology an awareness generated by a very limited perception of what it really might be.

You can move your arm around and go "look" but what does it prove? All you have is sensory feed of an arm moving. There might not even be motion. There might not even be an arm.

Lets take it up a notch.

You could say: "eyes translate what they see to sensory feed, so there has to be something that is an arm."

But we only know eyes through awareness of eyes. We only know neurons transmitting the data feed through perception of them. We only know brains and what they do through our perception of them.

We don't know if there really is an arm. We don't know if there are senses, neurons and brains.

The entire world as we know it may not exist. Your body in that world may not exist. All things we know could well be illusory.

So what is left?

Close your eyes for a moment and observe.

There is within you an Awareness. It is like the open sky. Through it float thoughts, emotions and sensations.

All that you believe in or don't believe in, are based upon observation, and speculation on observation. Now we have begun eliminating that which may be illusory, we have eliminated the world as you know it and your body as we know it.

Now comes the most difficult move of all.

You have lived your life and built a personality on those experiences. But the experiences may well be illusory. That means that even your Self, the "I" that is laughing, crying, loving, hating, enjoying and suffering, may be illusory. Even this persona you hold so dear, this "I" you cling onto so tenaciously.. Is not what you are.

So what are you?

You are Awareness, nothing but pure awareness. You are like the open sky, limitless, and clouds of thought, emotion and perception float through it. But they are not what you are. What you are is the Awareness itself.

You say your arm is yours because you sense it, but you sense the chair too, and the world around you.

You insist on saying you are separate from the world, but are you? Your arm and the chair both are clouds of sensation in the open sky of Awareness, that is what you really are.

There is no Me & The Universe, there is no Universe and there is no Me. All there is is Awareness, and things moving, ever-changing in that Awareness. There is no outside world or inside world, it is all One.

All that separates you and me is that different thoughts, emotions and sensations flow through us. The ten thousand  miles between us only exist in the thoughts, emotions and sensations that flow through us. But the Awareness may be one and the same.

All Awarenesses may be One, and all the thought, emotion and sensation its creation. We are One. We are the Force Without Form experiencing Itself.

If a big comet comes and wipes us all out, it will destroy the world and our bodies, all of which are illusory. But what we are is Awareness, pure consciousness, we never were anything other or more than that. We have always been Awareness and always will be, for it is all we are and can be.

Birth and death are just illusion, with birth the illusion that is our body is born into the illusion that is the world, and with death we leave it all behind, shed the illusion.

But Awareness, pure Consciousness, is all we ever were and will be, because it is all we ever can be.

We are the Force Without Form experiencing itself.

That is all.

Quote:

maybey that happens when you trip?

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Wiccan_Seeker, taking LSD so you don't have to

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Awesome post, but I humbly disagree.