Entropymancer said:

So McCain's pro-war stance nullfies Obama's untenable policies?

Both candidates are bad.  I honestly don't know which is worse.

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God, I love you more and more all the time.  Your other comment was very true too.

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How? By rambling sweet nothings than only brainless pro-democrat voters believe have any substance?

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supernovasky said:

My favorite policy of Obama's is that I am working on a medical degree, and I plan on using it to back a marijuana dispensery of my own in California once I am done. I anticipate being done in 6 years or so, a time where choices by current candidates will affect whether or not I can do this under the blessing of the law. Obama has already declared that he will not use justice department resources to conduct raids on marijuana caregivers and dispensaries in states where the state has deemed it legal, even if it means changes to federal law.

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supernovasky said:

Another clear policy difference about Obama that I like is the ability for college students to get 4000 a year as long as they put time in a social betterment program. I already do this and it would make student loans a hell of a lot easier to pay for.

Another clear policy difference is Obama's stance on contraceptive based sex education rather than abstinence only. I believe strongly that abstinence only sex education is a reason why so many teenagers are unaware of some of the simplest contraceptive measures and are unsure of how to take proper steps in contraception.

I can keep going and going and going... there are a TON of places where I agree with Obama on more than McCain.

For instance, stem cells... science funding... Man, if you want to see some crazy specifics, read this... 14 questions from scientists that Obama answers with specifics. McCain has not even answered it yet:

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/obama-answers-y.html

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johnm214 said:

Okay, I found something I hadn't seen before:

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Would you stop the DEA's raids on Oregon medical marijuana growers?
I would because I think our federal agents have better things to do, like catching criminals and preventing terrorism. The way I want to approach the issue of medical marijuana is to base it on science, and if there is sound science that supports the use of medical marijuana and if it is controlled and prescribed in a way that other medicine is prescribed, then it's something that I think we should consider.

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from some paper

http://wweek.com/editorial/3427/10974/


I guess this is a commitment?


He says "I would" and then says he'd require it to be prescribed and controlled et cet and then it should be considered.


How can you say "I would" and then say "we should consider" in the next breath?  One or the other.


And since marijuana isn't prescribed in the US routinely anywhere, I don't see what he's talking about.


Is he just ignorant?  Does he not know that marijuana is not prescribed and that was the very reason the supreme court ruled the DEA/Feds couldn't revoke licensure from doctors that recomend it to patients?


I guess this is a commitment, and I guess I am wrong and he has commited- despite me never hearing about this before, but I wonder what the rest of the quote is about? Its a yes and no answer, dude.  And putting in that shit about prescriptions and controls really throws me off, plus the "consider it" remark.


1.  It is not prescribed with any frequency and not outside of studies to my knowledge.
2.  It is not controlled like other drugs w/ medical use cuz it is not approved by the FDA or the DEA.


So will he use these wiggle words to get out of it?

Either way, I could imagine a much more meaningful response than "I would" followed by bullshit evidencing either misunderstanding or deceit.

Anyone else have a take on this?


I'd note that other commentators have not taken Obama's statement to be a commitment to anything, and have infered his wiggle room words to amount to a nonstatement.  WHile I don't know if I buy this, his commitment was clear, I wonder if Obama will actually follow through on the "I would" or defer to the bullshit he said later?

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I'll note that Obama neither pledged nor refused to do anything. He merely said he would review the science. I'm looking forward to debate on this issue, and hope it can be done maturely, without hyperbole or stale war-on-drugs rhetoric.

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http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/05/obama_on_medical_marijuana.html

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supernovasky said:

My favorite policy of Obama's is that I am working on a medical degree, and I plan on using it to back a marijuana dispensery of my own in California once I am done. I anticipate being done in 6 years or so, a time where choices by current candidates will affect whether or not I can do this under the blessing of the law. Obama has already declared that he will not use justice department resources to conduct raids on marijuana caregivers and dispensaries in states where the state has deemed it legal, even if it means changes to federal law.

Another policy of Obama's that I like is health insurance coverage. McCain's health insurance policy of giving 5000 back in the form of a tax cut to families simply won't be enough for me, especially since I do not have any income to tax to begin with. I need major surgery that I cannot have for the next 6 years because I am an independent who cannot work in a job that provides health insurance because of my classes. The condition will not kill me but it will make my life a living hell for the next few years. Obama's health insurance plan is much more comprehensive than McCain's.

Another clear policy difference between Obama and McCain is pro-choice vs. pro-life. My wife and I are young and taking all proper birth control measures, but if she gets pregnant, we both want to have the option of abortion open to us.

Another clear policy difference about Obama that I like is the ability for college students to get 4000 a year as long as they put time in a social betterment program. I already do this and it would make student loans a hell of a lot easier to pay for.

Another clear policy difference is Obama's stance on contraceptive based sex education rather than abstinence only. I believe strongly that abstinence only sex education is a reason why so many teenagers are unaware of some of the simplest contraceptive measures and are unsure of how to take proper steps in contraception.

I can keep going and going and going... there are a TON of places where I agree with Obama on more than McCain.

For instance, stem cells... science funding... Man, if you want to see some crazy specifics, read this... 14 questions from scientists that Obama answers with specifics. McCain has not even answered it yet:

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/obama-answers-y.html

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Coaster said:

well obama was against the war from the start

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and against the surge

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Coaster said:

obama has good judgement
therefor he makes a good leader
even I back then was fooled into war
but he new it was a bad idea
and now i agree

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