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Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech?
    #2884997 - 07/13/04 04:57 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Why is it that Canada won't allow Fox news into the country? I thought Canada was the bastion of freedom, so much more so than the US (if you believe many Canadians). Even if you dislike Fox, wouldn't it be more open-minded if they were allowed in another point of view? I really don't see a big difference between CNN, BBC, CBC and FOX news.

Is this true?

So the question has to be asked: Why does Canada stifle freedom of speech/press?


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885023 - 07/13/04 05:26 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

So does the Canadian Govt prohibit the broadcast?

Or do the Canadian people hate Fox, so they wouldnt make any money?

I thought with satellite you could get news from tons of countries? I dont know cause i cant afford cable :crazy2:


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2885025 - 07/13/04 05:29 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not really sure about the situation but I've heard from many different people that they weren't allowed to broadcast from Canada, maybe a seal beater will chime in and let us know what the exact situation is.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885031 - 07/13/04 05:40 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Well i dont think Canada has a "first amendment", and "anti bias" laws usually trump free speech...

I think there have been cases of individuals prosecuted and incarcerated for voicing bias opinions like anti-jew and ant-gay stuff.  Maybe some canadian can inform us on this as well....

I think canadians prefer limiting free speech as not to offend anyone.... :shrug:...seems stupid to me


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2885101 - 07/13/04 06:32 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I know Canada doesn't offer HBO due to specific contract obligations. Perhaps that could be true of Fox.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885301 - 07/13/04 09:08 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

banning american tv is not a violation on free speech, its saving the canadians for alot of garbage. seriously, this has nothing to do with freedom of speech prolly and just about buisness and money.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885354 - 07/13/04 09:31 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I'm guessing it has to do with the guy/company that owns the vast majority of media outlets in Canada not wanting Fox news in as a competitor. I can't remember the company's name off the top of my head, but I'll see what I can dig up. He makes Rupert Murdoch look like a nice guy...


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: shriek]
    #2885658 - 07/13/04 11:07 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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banning american tv is not a violation on free speech, its saving the canadians for alot of garbage




many, and I'm included, find the BBC to be a garbage pile. Atleast we in the United States allow couterveiw points. I guess you're not so free afterall. hmmpphh.

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this has nothing to do with freedom of speech prolly and just about buisness and money.




prolly???

I disagree, I think the utopian wanna be's in Canada just don't want to hear opposition to what they're government is feeding them.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: GernBlanston]
    #2885673 - 07/13/04 11:09 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm guessing it has to do with the guy/company that owns the vast majority of media outlets in Canada not wanting Fox news in as a competitor.




So much for Canadians' claim that they have free thought and markets eh?

I thought they were free?


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885676 - 07/13/04 11:10 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Is it really that Canada has banned it, or do Canadians simply not want it?


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2885698 - 07/13/04 11:15 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

that's what i'm asking. I've heard that Fox isn't allowed there and others say they don't want it. Who knows?

Either way it's the media, and in a free society i'd let the viewers decide.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2885703 - 07/13/04 11:17 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:

FOX isn't banned in Canada...where did you guys get this silly idea from? Anyone with cable gets FOX, and in lots of places you can get it with just an antenna, too :wink:

FOX News is a bunch of garbage. I hope no one watching it takes what they're saying literally...


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2885719 - 07/13/04 11:21 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I'll defend the right of any American to the last drop of your blood to say anything they want to say in Canada.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885725 - 07/13/04 11:22 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I'm dissapointed that people here are ok with the Canadian government censoring people.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2885736 - 07/13/04 11:25 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Is it really the government censoring people, or is it just lack of interest? That's what I'm trying to figure out.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2885741 - 07/13/04 11:27 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I'd also like to know if these "anti bias" laws exist, and what they are exactly.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2885748 - 07/13/04 11:28 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

We all get FOX, like I said: it's not a question of whether we like it or not :wink:

FOX gives me the Simpsons to watch, about it's only redeeming quality!


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2885751 - 07/13/04 11:29 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Then why do people keep saying it? I really want to know. If so then Canada isn't as free as you may think. If it's just lack of interest by the people then the people have spoken. But i doubt it.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2885763 - 07/13/04 11:30 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

maybe I should rephrase it then, do you get FOX NEWS. That's what I was referring to.

FOX and FOX NEWS are the same company but different channels.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: GernBlanston]
    #2885765 - 07/13/04 11:31 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

GernBlanston said:
I'm guessing it has to do with the guy/company that owns the vast majority of media outlets in Canada not wanting Fox news in as a competitor. I can't remember the company's name off the top of my head, but I'll see what I can dig up. He makes Rupert Murdoch look like a nice guy...




That would be Leonard Asper of CanWest.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885771 - 07/13/04 11:32 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

What people keep saying it? There's all kinds of rumors and urban myths out there. I recently talked to a guy who said that mushrooms cause you to trip by poisoning your brain.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885799 - 07/13/04 11:38 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I heard your government has banned The New PL in America? I watch NewsNOW every night I think it's sad that you guys don't get that channel down there :smirk:


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2885814 - 07/13/04 11:40 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

It was mentioned in this thread Link (at the beginning), I've heard it from someone on Fox news and if you do a search for it, many things about it pop up. I actually don't know if it's true or not, hence the reason for this thread.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2885822 - 07/13/04 11:42 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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I heard your government has banned The New PL in America?




PL?

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I watch NewsNOW every night I think it's sad that you guys don't get that channel down there




Is that the channel that shows the "how to's" of beating baby seals?


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2885830 - 07/13/04 11:44 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Do any Canoodians (short of pirating) get FOX NEWS? (NOT fox like the one that shows simpsons)


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885838 - 07/13/04 11:45 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

It looks like it's not something we've ever had.

Do you get Gloabal where you are? The NewPL maybe?


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885857 - 07/13/04 11:48 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

That's pretty arrogant to think that just because your country has a TV channel...the whole world should have it. We have our own channels, too, you know? Why don't you get our channels? It's the same deal...


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2885869 - 07/13/04 11:50 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you get Gloabal where you are? The NewPL maybe?




You haven't explained to me what PL stands for. As for the others, who knows? Are they comparable to the large media outlets like: CNN, BBC, ABC, CBC, CBS AND FOX? We have many small media companies that i'm sure are basically local.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885886 - 07/13/04 11:54 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

We have many small media companies that i'm sure are basically local.

Same as here, eh. CANWEST Broadcasting, The Global Network, those are "big" Canadian media conglomerates. The NewPL is one of the channels they own, do you get that channel? Why not?

It's the same reason.

We get some of your networks. I have ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CNN, and many more American networks...how many Canadian networks do you get?

The arrogance here is sickening...


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2885892 - 07/13/04 11:55 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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That's pretty arrogant to think that just because your country has a TV channel




Don't get your panties in a twist. I was merely finding out if it was true or not. Sheesh.

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the whole world should have it.




Many feel that way about the BBC, what would you think if they weren't allowed or due to "lack of interest" was shown here...or the CBC?

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Why don't you get our channels? It's the same deal...




I do, I get in channel 9 (CBC) for hockey night in Canada, that's ofcouse not going to happen again since you commies ousted Don Cherry.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2885914 - 07/13/04 11:59 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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The NewPL is one of the channels they own, do you get that channel? Why not?




probably because they don't have enough power to broadcast into the Detroit Metro Area.

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how many Canadian networks do you get? The arrogance here is sickening...




with the exception of the CBC, name one that I would have a chance of seeing? My god you canooks get all bent out of shape when someone questions your "freedom". You'd have a heart attack if you were American. WOW, relax.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885920 - 07/13/04 12:01 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Atleast we in the United States allow couterveiw points. I guess you're not so free afterall. hmmpphh.

Huh? We get an occasional selected piece of foreign news filtered through standard broadcast news and sometimes something on public TV (not live), but my cable TV (100+ channels) does not show anything directly from the BBC or Al Jazeera or from Australia or Canada... (May be different for satellite, dunno...)

No, it is not directly and legally censored, but is not commonly available. The foreign clips that are shown that I see are ALWAYS talked over BEFORE and AFTER by biased reporters and never let to speak for themselves.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2885934 - 07/13/04 12:04 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:

I'm not mad, eh. Don't flatter yourself :wink:

I'm trying to explain why we don't get FOX News yet. How old is this station? You can't expect us to pick everything you start broadcasting up right away...there are differences in our broadcasting regulations and such which have to be settled first.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Swami]
    #2885945 - 07/13/04 12:07 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I believe satelite (which I don't have) you can get anything, or close to it.

I would love to be able to get BBC or Al Jazeera on my cable TV, not that i'd agree with 99% on there but the best way to counter the other side is to let them do the talking, usually people hang themselves (in the poitical realm) with their own words. The same goes for the BBC. I'd welcome them all into my home.

my original question was basically is it true or not, if it is it's sad if it's not then never mind.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2886454 - 07/13/04 02:23 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Fox News does not show in Canada because there is very little interest in it. It is completely 'legal'.

So much for your fabricated accusation.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Kasumeat]
    #2886459 - 07/13/04 02:25 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

well if you said it, I should take that as the truth.

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So much for your fabricated accusation.




*zing*  you sure got me...

it's not just my accusation, that's why I was asking if it was true or not. :rolleyes:

i'm sensing some denial...hmmmm i wonder why?


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2886673 - 07/13/04 03:36 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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FOX News is a bunch of garbage. I hope no one watching it takes what they're saying literally...



Is it the overt patriotism or do you find them to be factually inaccurate?


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2886823 - 07/13/04 04:28 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

In their talk shows, such as O'Reilly and Hannity and Colmes, they make sure to talk/yell over guests with a counter view all too frequently as to make them unwatchable (to me). This is unnecessary if the intent is to ACTUALLY exchange information and viewpoints. Hardly seems "Fair and Balanced". And the reporting is rarely presented without being smothered by biased comments.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Swami]
    #2886853 - 07/13/04 04:36 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

So you dislike the presentation. OK. I note with interest you made no mention of factual accuracy.

Anyone else?


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2886887 - 07/13/04 04:42 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

OK. I note with interest you made no mention of factual accuracy.

If Fox News said 18 Iraqi civilians had been killed in a bombing attack and another source says there were 38, a viewer has no way of knowing which is factual.

The constant linking of the War on Terror and 9/11 and the War on Iraq is certainly misinformational as is the constant praise of Bush and the demonization of Kerry. A REAL NEWS network would actually present the data and let the viewer decide his/her own opinion.

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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2886931 - 07/13/04 04:54 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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trendal said:

FOX News is a bunch of garbage. I hope no one watching it takes what they're saying literally...



Is it the overt patriotism or do you find them to be factually inaccurate?




IMO it's  the overt patriotism.  This has no place on a news channel. Unfortunately it happens on most US news channels.  How can you be sure that you are receiving objective news?  The opinion sections on Fox News, ie The O'reilly Factor, Hannity and Colmes etc, are a joke.  O'Reilly's "interviewing" technique is to basically yell at anyone who doesn't agree with him, and to quickly change the subject if someone effectively rebuts what he says. 

Also he said that he would eat his words if the US did not find any WMD in Iraq after the war.  As far as I know he hasn't.  Please post the link if he has.

BTW, IMO all news channels are biased, and generally full of shit.  I prefer the BBC, but only for its excellent docos, and "Hardtalk" hosted by Tim Sebastian.  This guy would kick O'Reilly's ass...verbally.
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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2886936 - 07/13/04 04:55 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

You're a douche. I just checked Bell Expressvu and Fox-E is on 303 and Fox-W is on 333.


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    #2887274 - 07/13/04 06:59 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

*zing* there's no way that you have TV in that trailer.

Would that be Fox News or the fox channel?


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2887348 - 07/13/04 07:31 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

There's a difference between FOX and the FOX News channel. The FOX News channel is all news, like CNN or MSNBC. Yes, almost all cable companies in Canada carry The King of the Hill and The Simpsons, but that is the Fox entertainment part of the company. Not the same thing at all.

I know for a fact that in the capital of Canada (Ottawa), the cable doesn't carry FOX News, the O'Reilly Factor, etc. It also doesn't carry MSNBC or HBO. Can you get any of those three in Toronto? Montreal? Vancouver? Nope. The CRTC doesn't allow it.

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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2887362 - 07/13/04 07:37 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

you American nuts are hilarious.

why would the Canadian government want to allow an anti-canadian propaganda machine into our country?

and you fucking hypocrites are attacking us on speech freedoms? solve your own problems before you try to solve ours.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Phred]
    #2887525 - 07/13/04 08:31 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

The CRTC doesn't allow it.

Actually from what I can see the CRTC is currently in the process of considering a request to have FOX News imported into the country. No where could I find info (except on random boards where Americans rant about us not having FOX News yet) that said the CRTC is actively keeping the chennel from our cable companies.

How old is this station? What % of the Canadian population is requesting that we pick up the feeds? Those are important questions here...as this doesn't look like a freedom of speech issue so much as a foreign station which has never been broadcast in the country but is looking to expand into our channel lineup.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2887553 - 07/13/04 08:44 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

The CRTC has a bunch of restrictions on what can and cannot be shown in Canada. As a Canadian, you must be aware of the infamous "Canadian content" guidelines.

Their guidelines are even more stringent when it comes to news. You'll note that there are no BBC news broadcasts either. The only reason CNN gets away with it is that although US based, they do have a large enough Canadian news office and production facilities to barely squeak by under the CRTC "Canadian content" restrictions. If you have a high boredom threshold and can sit through an entire 24 hours of CNN newsfeed, you'll see a lot of Canadianized segments which the Yanks never see.

It's not that the CRTC is deliberately discriminating against FOX in particular. As I noted earlier, MSNBC doesn't fill the requirements either. Nor does the BBC.

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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Phred]
    #2887556 - 07/13/04 08:46 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

You'll note that there are no BBC news broadcasts either.

I understand that it may have been some time since you've been in the country...so you can be forgiven for being wrong here...

Because I certainly do get BBC News, it's one of my favorite news channels :wink:


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Phred]
    #2887557 - 07/13/04 08:47 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

It's not that the CRTC is deliberately discriminating against FOX in particular. As I noted earlier, MSNBC doesn't fill the requirements either. Nor does the BBC.

this is the key point, which right-wingers, especially those who work for Fox News, choose to ignore.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Phred]
    #2887584 - 07/13/04 08:59 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2887588 - 07/13/04 09:01 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Umm... is there a BBC channel on your cable lineup or does CBC or PBS or whatever other channel have a nightly BBC news program? There's a difference, you know.

As far as I know, CRTC rules do not prevent a certified Canadian broadcast or cable channel from providing syndicated individual programs, be they news or non-news -- as long as the channel itself abides by the "minimum Canadian content" restrictions. A half hour BBC news broadcast daily still allows the channel in question enough other hours in the day to provide that minimum.

But a 24 hour English news channel cannot exist under the current CRTC regulations.

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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2887595 - 07/13/04 09:05 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Is that a cable screenshot or a satellite screen? In Ottawa, the only folks I know with channel numbers in the 500s are those with satellite feeds. The rules are different for broadcast, cable, and satellite.

Give us a screenshot with FOX News. Or MSNBC.

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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Phred]
    #2887616 - 07/13/04 09:12 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I don't get either of those...and yes it's a canadian satellite :wink:

I get a lot of Canadian dontent (good), a few of the big network feeds from the US,  and some specialty channels all owned by a few big companies. It's all heavily cut up, anything that's not a "canadian" channel. I'm sure the commercials are mostly canadian. I have friends who like american satellites, but I prefer the Canadian dishes for the content :wink:


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Positronius]
    #2888332 - 07/14/04 01:40 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I'm glad to hear all you Canadians are contented with your governments mind control over you. Doesn't it bother you that your government controls what you see and hear?

Maybe you're the ones who need to fix your own country before you criticize ours chief. Free your own mind first.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2888422 - 07/14/04 02:38 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

"I'm glad to hear all you Canadians are contented with your governments mind control over you. Doesn't it bother you that your government controls what you see and hear?"

right, I hope that wasnt supposed to affective in any way. More pointless vitriol to file under "idiocy"


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Positronius]
    #2888500 - 07/14/04 03:29 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

its pretty amazing that someone here thinks that if a country doesnt send this and this american tv news they are beeing mind controlled and brainwashed (notice how only an american will ever claim something like this on this planet EVER : america and americans are full of themself), now there is no more propaganda\brainwashing news than american news so how can they brainwash themself by not sending brainwashing news, if not political than with all the damn commercials. american tv is crap for me and im sure its crap for alot of canadians as well. but some claims here in this thread is uberstupid.- time to wake up go outside and smell the grass some maybe

as the matter of fact, america would do the world a favour if it kept most of its tv shows either its news or ricki lake inside america and didnt export it.

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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: shriek]
    #2888772 - 07/14/04 07:15 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I'll trade Fox news for Trailer Park Boys anyday. Showcase has Trailer Park Boys so Canada rocks.


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    #2888792 - 07/14/04 07:30 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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I'll trade Fox news for Trailer Park Boys anyday




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    #2888836 - 07/14/04 08:01 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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    #2888842 - 07/14/04 08:07 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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    #2888856 - 07/14/04 08:16 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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OK so lets set this straight. Yes you can get MSNBC and many U>S> stations on Rogers cable up here. As for fox news.....THIS IS CANADA AND WE HAVE CANADIAN STAIONS>>>>>>WTF DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? HOW COME YOU ARE NOT BITCHNG ABOUT NOT GETTING THE CBC AS A REGULAR STATION?




A. I don't care aboot MSNBC
B. I'm asking a fucking question
C. WE DO GET CBC (channel 9)(atleast in my area) quit being ignorant.
D. Quit yelling.

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why are you not bothering other users of the shroomery about thier countries and stations?




because I didn't ask them, slick.

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Did your father abandon you at birth and you found out he was Canadian or something. Did a Canadian gf fuck you over or something. Is it because you live in Michigan so close to Canada that you seem to despise Canadians so much. WTF? Seems that you have a problem with Canadians and are getting a little carried away in yer speech.




actually I quite enjoy going over the border. I'm usually in Canada about once a week. You're not good at debating, are you?

The rest of your post was useless, laughable and looks as though a 6 year old wrote it. If you want to address the question being asked feel free to comment, if not please learn how paragraphs work and what "on topic" means....

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    #2888858 - 07/14/04 08:17 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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I really don't think I could debate for either sides of the two countries




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    #2888899 - 07/14/04 08:43 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Geee sorry chump! I guess I am new to this posting and um arent a cool as you to have 13 thousand posts! I spend alot more time out getting to know people instead of constantly criticizing people behind a computer as you are so well as doing




Please read (if you can) the rules of this forum.  In this forum we exchange ideas, ask questions and try to figure out politics.

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Sorry that I am not in accordance to your standards in writing




I'd settle for just basic reading comprehension.

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    #2888904 - 07/14/04 08:50 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah I can be a jerk as anyone can. Read the rules..... I have and how come it is ok for you to behave one way but when another does....it is wrong?




give me an example then.

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And....you can say whatever you have to say here instead of sending insults to my pm box....that is cowardice!
Oviously I don't want to know you or care less as of now!




If you want to continue this I will only reply to your ramblings VIA PM. That's what it's there there for Ace.

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I love you and hope only for the best. good luck in whatever you do. :kiss:


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    #2888962 - 07/14/04 09:22 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Please read the rules again.  Like I said unless you want to discuss the topic at hand I will only reply to you through PM's.

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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2888981 - 07/14/04 09:33 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

he requested to be deleted.

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    #2888996 - 07/14/04 09:37 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

That was easy... :grin:

We've moved the discussion to PM so when the MODS read the above argument they will note that it was a one sided rant only.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2889016 - 07/14/04 09:46 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
I'm glad to hear all you Canadians are contented with your governments mind control over you. Doesn't it bother you that your government controls what you see and hear?





Are you kidding? FOX News is the brain-washing, and yes I'm glad that junk isn't shown in my country. It's sad to see that it will probably be shown in not too long...


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2889034 - 07/14/04 09:53 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Your so far gone you don't even understand the concept of freedom of choice.


I guess Canoodians can dish it out, but can't take it. You don't see Americans crying so loudly when someone criticisies us.

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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2889072 - 07/14/04 10:09 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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I guess Canoodians can dish it out, but can't take it. You don't see Americans crying so loudly when someone criticisies us.




DING DING DING DING!!!!!

We have a winner!! The original post was meant more to be a Devil's Advocate point of view. I just wanted to know why so many Canadians (or any country for that matter) feel the need to tell us how "un-free" we are without looking at themselves.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2889086 - 07/14/04 10:15 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

one thing here, if you sit on the top of the world and takes a shit so it affects everyone you must understand that someone will say to you "hey wtf man".

another thing.

if I see you do something insane, and i tell someone what i see then i am not anti baby hitler , same way that canada and the rest is not so anti america when they simply are talking about _what is going on_

third thing

what freedom of choise are you talking about.

hey im in norway, i dont have any freedom. i cant have bulgarian tv news? i am beein mind controlled. oh no


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: shriek]
    #2889105 - 07/14/04 10:22 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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one thing here, if you sit on the top of the world and takes a shit so it affects everyone you must understand that someone will say to you "hey wtf man".




you must also be able to look at yourself and say "Does my country do the same"? right or wrong. Listen, I actually like Canadians and Canada and have many friends that are Canadian (living so close to the border.) I just don't like the "I'm perfect and you're not" remarks some people imply.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2889139 - 07/14/04 10:35 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

well none of you are perfect so thats just a stupid argument, we all know that only us scandinavians are perfect :grin:

seriously yeah ok i understand your reasoning (just now a little late). however that is a intresting list to put up, who does what, im not gonna go into that now :laugh:


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: shriek]
    #2889224 - 07/14/04 11:13 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Is your government restricting your access to bulgarian tv news?

If so you should be pissed off.

If your not pissed off then that is sad.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2898188 - 07/16/04 07:33 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

So the question has to be asked: Why does Canada stifle freedom of speech/press?

While you're at it, ask this question as well: why does the USA stifle freedom of speech/press?

www.canoe.ca/Television/jul14_fox-cp.html :smirk:


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2898450 - 07/16/04 09:51 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Where in that did you get the impression that the American government was preventing the airing of O' Canada?

The American government does restrict what media is imported into the US. The difference is we Americans are pissed off about it. You Canadians don't seem to care when your government tries to controll what you see and hear.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2898459 - 07/16/04 10:00 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

You Canadians don't seem to care when your government tries to controll what you see and hear.

*control

I try to take things like this on a case-by-case basis...as forming a generality for such topics is probably a very silly idea. So no, in this case I don't care that my government is trying to block a foreign media :wink:


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: trendal]
    #2898491 - 07/16/04 10:16 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

That's pathetic.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2898507 - 07/16/04 10:21 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

If you say so... :smirk:


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2898613 - 07/16/04 11:09 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe they want protect what little canadian culture we have left.

Frankly I see nothing wrong with protecting canadain culture, and fox news wouldnt really go over well here anyway(the most right wing canadian ,is a pinko commie leftist, to the most extreme right american)perhaps a SLIGHT exageration :wink:

Canada has given up so much already because of free trade, you practially OWN our energy , and when you look at the free trade deals up close.

WE got screwed. :thumbdown:
(yes its america has suffered to, but the real pain for america isnt from Nafta its from the WTO, but for Canada Nafta has been a nightmare. (softwood lumber is just ONE example)

We have ENOUGH american culture already, personally(and I have meet MANY people from all walks of life who also feel this way) I could do with less.... honestly  I think you might be suprised HOW AMERICAN our cable is.
(digital cable...which is the new big thing, has even more american content then, regualr)

Any canadain that CLAIMS that the right doesnt get a fair chance in Canada is retarded. :wink:

Theres CNBC(and its pile of vile shows)  Gloabal Media(IS VERY RIGHT WING) and is the largesdt media company in canada, it owns newspapers, TV stations etc.. all quite "RIGHT".


Canadas media corporations have TONS of power, and they STILL want to do away with the CBC , if anything media in Canada is already right wing.
(by canadian standards)

http://www.canwestwatch.org/
http://www.mediacarta.org/2_minute.php



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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #2898962 - 07/17/04 01:25 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

and of course, you can get fox news on sattelite!

"Maybe they want protect what little canadian culture we have left."

I dont agree with this though, I think the Canadian identity is far more developed than it was 15 years ago. 15 years ago we were the 51st state, now we are that horrid socialist drug-haven to the north.


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    #2904571 - 07/19/04 04:59 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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why does the USA stifle freedom of speech/press?




sure thing ace, once my question is answered i'll jump right on that and ask the same question. Why don't you start a thread aboot it.


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    #2904574 - 07/19/04 05:03 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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I try to take things like this on a case-by-case basis...as forming a generality for such topics is probably a very silly idea. So no, in this case I don't care that my government is trying to block a foreign media




wow, so let me get this straight. If the US blocks freedom of speech/press it's a travisty and evil, but if Canoodia does it it should be taken on a case by case basis. Wow, I feel sorry for you.


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    #2904583 - 07/19/04 05:14 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe they want protect what little canadian culture we have left.




yes, Canoodians are fragile peaople and NEED to be protected. :rolleyes:

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Canada has given up so much already because of free trade, you practially OWN our energy , and when you look at the free trade deals up close.




What's your culture?  How does it differ from the US?

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WE got screwed.  (yes its america has suffered to, but the real pain for america isnt from Nafta its from the WTO, but for Canada Nafta has been a nightmare. (softwood lumber is just ONE example)




tell that to the workers in Texas which one has affected them more, NAFTA has affected the US more than Canada i'd presume but I have to ask why are you bringing this up?  This has nothing to do with Media being shut out.  I wish Canoodia was free. :frown:

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We have ENOUGH american culture already, personally(and I have meet MANY people from all walks of life who also feel this way) I could do with less.... honestly I think you might be suprised HOW AMERICAN our cable is.
(digital cable...which is the new big thing, has even more american content then, regualr)




Digital cable isn't that new.  I've had it for the last few years.

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Any canadain that CLAIMS that the right doesnt get a fair chance in Canada is retarded.




I personally couldn't care less, i'm just asking the question that many Canoodians here haven't had a reasonable answer to.  I'll say that i'm upset that we, in the US, don't get Al-Jezera (sp).  Not sure of the reason really.
What I find funny is that many Canoodians have no problem letting news of a left wing lean but if there's an alternate view (and yes they've been right in their reporting) they say it's good for the country to be blind..er, I mean left out of the country to protect Canoodian "culture" whatever that means.


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    #2904585 - 07/19/04 05:15 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

no, you're still the 51st state.


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    #2911332 - 07/21/04 05:01 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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  I don't think the fact that Canada can't get a certain news channel currently means the country is overall less free than us




I was playing devils advocate.  With the exception of your dismal health care, i'd say that Canada is just as free as the US.

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Personally I don't see any Canadians here promoting their country as a Utopia here




:what:

ok, maybe not utopia but close to it.  For those people who have never been to the US (listening to Canadians on this site) you'd think that we have check points, ethnic cleansing and worse.  I've been to Canada many times and didn't see much of a difference between the two countries with all policies (with the exception of strip bars and drug laws).

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I see some Canadians exposing your view that they somehow think they are freer than us and aren't because they don't allow Fox News in Canada (a claim which apparently we haven't even figured out the actual logistics and validity of yet) as the idiocy that it is.




Why's it an Idiocy? We've figured it out, noone in Canada (or at least on this site), with the exception of satelite tv, have access to Fox News media.  It's really not a big deal but I just find it funny that many of them claim how unfree we are and how biased America is when it comes to media sources.  I'm claiming that at least we have both sides.

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That was weak. Even if they can't watch Fox News, their government doesn't feel the need to monitor the books they read. 




not their books, just their news. whew, well in that case. :rolleyes:


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2911388 - 07/21/04 05:37 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I can definately concur that canadians online are rather 'vocal' about how flawlessly perfect canada is, and how the US is a steaming pile of racist shit with ovens that we burn niggers and drug addicts in.

etc.

Strangely enough, so far every canuck I've met has been rather cool in person and seemed like they would fit right in my neiighborhood.

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    #2911391 - 07/21/04 05:41 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

ha, I have no idea what you're talking aboot.

I have no ill feelings for Canada nor Canadians. I just don't care for hypocrisy.


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    #3741044 - 02/06/05 02:35 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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    #3741055 - 02/06/05 02:38 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The natives THEY got screwed, its THEIR culture where there isnt much left of. Neither americans nor canadians have any culture other then showing of their guns of fear and wasting life.


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    #3741063 - 02/06/05 02:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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    #3741099 - 02/06/05 02:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Baby_Hitler does not always mean what he says. Sometimes it is to stimulate conversation or steer the discussion in a certain direction. I would try to find an example but I am too lazy.


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3741182 - 02/06/05 03:09 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The CRTC approved Fox News in Canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/11/18/fox_crtc041118.html

Google would have answered the original question for you in seconds flat.

The application was originally rejected because a "Fox News Canada" was in the works, but I guess that fell through and they've decided to allow Fox News to broadcast.


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    #3741228 - 02/06/05 03:22 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

LOL then he and I have something in common! :wink:


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Phluck]
    #3745126 - 02/07/05 11:49 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

So is this thread just gonna die out now that the entire basis for it has been debunked, or are those accusing Canada of censorship going to retract what they said?


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Re: Canada and Fox News. - freedom of speech? [Re: Phluck]
    #3745301 - 02/07/05 12:26 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Phluck writes:

Google would have answered the original question for you in seconds flat.

And Google did answer the question back in July 2004 when the thread was active. As the article you linked points out, the CRTC didn't approve FOX's application until mid November 2004. At the time the thread was started, the last word from the CRTC was their ruling of November 2003, when FOX's application was rejected.


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