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Philosophy is dead
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If there is anything that the past 300-400 years have taught us, it is that psychology is the only thing that really matters anymore.  Philosophy eventually reduced itself to the study of pure Being, but upon further inspection, it became evident that Being is essentially nothing.  So where do we go from here?  It seems that the only logical conclusion is for each of us to study our subjective experience of Being (the mind) since this is all we have.  Consciousness is solipsistic by nature.  The problem of other minds is irrelevant.

I feel that the most important thinkers of the past 400 years are the Marquis de Sade, Nietzsche, Freud, Heidegger, and David Lynch.  Everything you need for this journey is contained within the artwork of these men.

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: it stars saddam]
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Oh baby!:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: it stars saddam]
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the only logical conclusion is for each of us to study our subjective experience of Being (the mind) since this is all we have.


Well put, sir.  :thumbup:

I would expand this (which you may have intended) to include experimenting with our subjective experience.  It seems to me that much of what we take for granted regarding the way in which we experience the world is, in actuality, created by our preconceptions.

Lynch's visual experiments with depicting subjective experience are masterful.  He has managed this to an extent I have not seen among American filmmakers. 

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: it stars saddam]
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it stars saddam said:
If there is anything that the past 300-400 years have taught us, it is that psychology is the only thing that really matters anymore.  Philosophy eventually reduced itself to the study of pure Being, but upon further inspection, it became evident that Being is essentially nothing.  So where do we go from here?  It seems that the only logical conclusion is for each of us to study our subjective experience of Being (the mind) since this is all we have.  Consciousness is solipsistic by nature.  The problem of other minds is irrelevant.



Well this is one opinion... which I happen to agree with. :shrug:


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

:heartpump:

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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Lynch's visual experiments with depicting subjective experience are masterful.  He has managed this to an extent I have not seen among American filmmakers.



Most Americans, or Westerners period, don't have patience for Lynch. It's unfortunate, but the focus is on story. Introduction, climax, dis-elevation, credits. Same reason most folk have seen X-Men 3 but look very confused when you mention Memento.

:shrug:

Philosophy ain't dead. It's nice to have new social contexts available to re-interpret old ideas. That's evolution, without DNA. More fresh.


~Monk

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: Veritas]
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:whistling:  Imagine there is another way (lenda) to perceive the world that is falsifiable (Popper rules). Imagine that physics, biologie, psychologie and chemistry are only a subset of this perception lenda (in the same way as planets observed by grecs are subset of modern physics). Lenda does not contradict modern physics, it includes it as subset.

How are you gonna see lenda with your chemistry and psychological analysis? Philosophy is more necessary than ever :smirk:

Is it pure utopie to believe lenda exists?
I don't think so. With the invention of writing, humanity has opened the door of another world. There is no way we have discovered everything in 5000 years, in fact we still have no idea why writing had such an impact on our development. We are just at the beginning of a very long journey. 
:tunnel:

Edited by clearsight (07/29/08 03:59 PM)

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: clearsight]
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clearsight said:
You assume the way we perceive reality today (physics, biologie, chemistry) is the only true reality. You assume variance of our perception have only psychological and chemistry explanations.


That's not what I'm saying.  You're not grasping what I mean when I refer to the concept of Being.  I didn't fully understand it either until I used LSD.  When I talk about perception as reality, I mean your immediate perception, like right now, what you are experiencing as you read this.  Subjective human experience of reality.  That is all we have.

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: it stars saddam]
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But that does not discount that many of us, especially in western culture, use our time of immediacy to construe estimations of the past and the future immediacies.

To discount that we have a vested interest in our conceptions of the past and present is to be... well, Buddhist, maybe? Certainly not something you will be seeing much of. Even immediacy requires the past and future of experience for introspection to correctly interpret the present. Unfortunately, using LSD all the time is; a great way to build a dangerous tolerance, and become equally lost as someone else stuck in any other specific mind frame.


~Monk

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: it stars saddam]
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it stars saddam said:
You're not grasping what I mean when I refer to the concept of Being.


I read in details ur text again and I effectively did not grasp wat u were saying.

Edited by clearsight (07/29/08 04:18 PM)

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: numonkei]
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Recalling the past and imagining the future are part of our immediate experience.  We cannot experience the past or the future, only the present.

What does contemplating the past/future have to do with philosophy?  How would having a conception of past/future contradict the idea that psychology is more relevant than philosophy?

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: it stars saddam]
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This is why I belive there must be consciousness that expanded in twist and turned, dancing into what we have today, that some may call a creator.

Self-connecting (not created, nothing is created, only connections are made) consciousness that becomes.

Consciousness is the only thing we know (err.. I know) for sure that exists.

Being is the root of philosophy.  Philosophy is not dead, specially considering our recent hightened awareness of what energy and how it is connected with us.  We are beginning to appreciate how alive everything truly is.  Well, atleast I am.  The rest of you don't exist.

I am God. :rebelride:


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Flowing through beginningless time since time without beginning...

Edited by Ginseng1 (07/29/08 04:58 PM)

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: Ginseng1]
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What if consciousness is an emergent property?  While it is likely true that nothing is created, it can be observed that elements may be arranged in increasingly complex forms.  These complex forms are capable of things which the individual elements are not.  Have these capabilities been created from "nothing"?  No.  They have arisen from increasing complexity.

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
What if consciousness is an emergent property? 


god is gonna be disappointed  :rofl:

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: clearsight]
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Who?

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: Veritas]
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You know, santa.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: Veritas]
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What if?

What if every life bearing planet eventually harbours intelligence if the proper planetary conditions are sustained for long enough?  Then emergent property of consciousness, bound by physical principles, would have even more to say yet about consciouness and it's connection to energy.  An have an interesting twist to this story could be unraveled in the future...

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Consciousness is solipsistic by nature.



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Flowing through beginningless time since time without beginning...

Edited by Ginseng1 (07/29/08 05:20 PM)

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: Icelander]
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The fat dude in the red suit?  What does he have to do with consciousness?  I mean, aren't we supposed to be asleep when he makes his deliveries?

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: Ginseng1]
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Or it could be just a one-off.  :shrug:  We may never know.

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: Veritas]
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The problem of other minds is such a dark little cavern the ego sinks into. The ego in its lowest, most disgusting manifestation bitterly reacts to the presence of other autonomous beings, completely unaware it is a false imprint upon a dream character.


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Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness. Thus, just as the way of social participation may lead in the end to a realization of the All in the individual, so that of exile brings the hero to the Self in all.

joseph campbell


For, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

jesus

Edited by burgatory (07/29/08 06:15 PM)

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Re: Philosophy is dead [Re: burgatory]
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... and philosophy was always dead! I think I read in a Ken Wilber book about philosophy being a kind of endless long division based on the false assumption of a dualism.


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Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness. Thus, just as the way of social participation may lead in the end to a realization of the All in the individual, so that of exile brings the hero to the Self in all.

joseph campbell


For, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

jesus

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