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Re: 2012 [Re: SoY]
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However, most people will do so in a predatory way.  When the shit hits the fan, our animalistic survival instincts will take over.


isn't the whole point of 2012 and the age of aquarius about spiritual ascendance above the animalistic instincts and primitive circuits wired into our brains? whats the point of looting if people realize and FEEL that money is a joke, more possessions doesn't equal better quality of life and there's no point killing others because that means we're killing ourselves?


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Re: 2012 [Re: Bridgeburner]
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The world will be fine, humanity may end.

Its like people who say we need to save the planet, no! We need to save human existence on this planet. Earth will be fine for proably millions of years, if a catastrophe happens it wipes us off, then severe drought, ice age & its a new earth refreshed again. We are disposable like the dinosaurs were.

I think its going to be our minds that die, and our mind is our world, this would happen with the shift of the poles & the earths magnetic field being weakened during that shift, itll be a painful process but i reckon everyone will literally lose theyre mind as the human minds ancient programs (samskaras) are stored in this magnetic field, and of course choas could ensue but whatever happens its for our greater growth, i know that for SURE. I reckon that our animal ancient programming will probably take over but it will exaught its reaction & we will then go beyond, together.

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Re: 2012 [Re: SoY]
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SoY said:
Ahhh, it sounds so nice, until you realize how entrenched some humans are in the old paradigm.  When the system collapses, we will look to each other for support.  However, most people will do so in a predatory way.  When the shit hits the fan, our animalistic survival instincts will take over.  There will not be a commune-esque sharing, but rather riot-esque looting, pillaging, and hoarding of resources.  You might rebut that this scenario will play out, but only the *bad* guys will perish, and the compassionate, new paradigm humans will survive to experience the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.  That I believe is wishful thinking.

:yinyang:

The *bad* is always with the *good*


You sir, have sort of hit the proverbial nail on the head. The distinct difference between now, and then.. is that people will form communities among like minds. There will be two camps in the "aftertime".. those who live to serve only themselves and those who serve others. (i.e - Fear and Love). There will be very little interaction between the two groups. People will stay with those they have in common with. You may say that those from the self-serving groups may try to attack or raid the 'loving' groups, and that may be.. but they will fail, for a variety of reasons. The "new paradigm" humans will be two opposite polarities, the service-to-self and the service-to-other. The power returns to the people.

As in the 3rd dimension currently, one can be a mix of both aspects. But part of the process of ascending is to choose a soul orientation.. and one will remain in that orientation for the remainder of their incarnation.. there will be no hybrids in the 4th dimension.. it's either one or the other. Thus, humans will split into different camps and will be attracted to those who share their same polarity.  That is part of the lesson of the next level of consciousness. In the 5th, it merges once again into totality.

But what won't be happening, is fear-based beings.. controlling and manipulating others and ravaging the planet. That won't slide, as they will be as transparent as glass and people are not so easily manipulated when the knowledge of the multiverse is at their beck and call and the intentions of all beings might as well be written on their foreheads. Thus, those fear-based beings will be confined to controlling and manipulating those of their own kind. They will play their games on each other, but they will not effect those outside of their communities. They may riot and they may hoard and pillage, but that will only amount to shitting in their own backyard. They will have to evolve like everyone else, they will have just chosen a different path to travel down.

tl,dr: Yes, the "bad" and "good" will still exist, but they will be clearly defined and our communities will not be intermixed.

PS. "Karma" is instantaneous in the 4th dimension. There is no time delay like in the 3rd.


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Re: 2012 [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
SoY said:
Ahhh, it sounds so nice, until you realize how entrenched some humans are in the old paradigm.  When the system collapses, we will look to each other for support.  However, most people will do so in a predatory way.  When the shit hits the fan, our animalistic survival instincts will take over.  There will not be a commune-esque sharing, but rather riot-esque looting, pillaging, and hoarding of resources.  You might rebut that this scenario will play out, but only the *bad* guys will perish, and the compassionate, new paradigm humans will survive to experience the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.  That I believe is wishful thinking.

:yinyang:

The *bad* is always with the *good*


You sir, have sort of hit the proverbial nail on the head. The distinct difference between now, and then.. is that people will form communities among like minds. There will be two camps in the "aftertime".. those who live to serve only themselves and those who serve others. (i.e - Fear and Love). There will be very little interaction between the two groups. People will stay with those they have in common with. You may say that those from the self-serving groups may try to attack or raid the 'loving' groups, and that may be.. but they will fail, for a variety of reasons. The "new paradigm" humans will be two opposite polarities, the service-to-self and the service-to-other. The power returns to the people.

As in the 3rd dimension currently, one can be a mix of both aspects. But part of the process of ascending is to choose a soul orientation.. and one will remain in that orientation for the remainder of their incarnation.. there will be no hybrids in the 4th dimension.. it's either one or the other. Thus, humans will split into different camps and will be attracted to those who share their same polarity.  That is part of the lesson of the next level of consciousness. In the 5th, it merges once again into totality.

But what won't be happening, is fear-based beings.. controlling and manipulating others and ravaging the planet. That won't slide, as they will be as transparent as glass and people are not so easily manipulated when the knowledge of the multiverse is at their beck and call and the intentions of all beings might as well be written on their foreheads. Thus, those fear-based beings will be confined to controlling and manipulating those of their own kind. They will play their games on each other, but they will not effect those outside of their communities. They may riot and they may hoard and pillage, but that will only amount to shitting in their own backyard. They will have to evolve like everyone else, they will have just chosen a different path to travel down.

tl,dr: Yes, the "bad" and "good" will still exist, but they will be clearly defined and our communities will not be intermixed.

PS. "Karma" is instantaneous in the 4th dimension. There is no time delay like in the 3rd. 


I really enjoyed your post...

:peace:


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Re: 2012 [Re: Shroomism]
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I agree with what you are saying Shroomism for the most part, some seems like speculation, I don't really know. All of this information is sort of knowledge that I know but I don't know how it came into my existence, some through intense psychedelic revelations, some seems like I knew this all along and there were trigger events to awaken this remembering of this knowledge that I had deep inside me. Its definitely real and unshakable. How do you know this information?

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Re: 2012 [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
Shroomism said:
SoY said:
Ahhh, it sounds so nice, until you realize how entrenched some humans are in the old paradigm.  When the system collapses, we will look to each other for support.  However, most people will do so in a predatory way.  When the shit hits the fan, our animalistic survival instincts will take over.  There will not be a commune-esque sharing, but rather riot-esque looting, pillaging, and hoarding of resources.  You might rebut that this scenario will play out, but only the *bad* guys will perish, and the compassionate, new paradigm humans will survive to experience the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.  That I believe is wishful thinking.

:yinyang:

The *bad* is always with the *good*


You sir, have sort of hit the proverbial nail on the head. The distinct difference between now, and then.. is that people will form communities among like minds. There will be two camps in the "aftertime".. those who live to serve only themselves and those who serve others. (i.e - Fear and Love). There will be very little interaction between the two groups. People will stay with those they have in common with. You may say that those from the self-serving groups may try to attack or raid the 'loving' groups, and that may be.. but they will fail, for a variety of reasons. The "new paradigm" humans will be two opposite polarities, the service-to-self and the service-to-other. The power returns to the people.

As in the 3rd dimension currently, one can be a mix of both aspects. But part of the process of ascending is to choose a soul orientation.. and one will remain in that orientation for the remainder of their incarnation.. there will be no hybrids in the 4th dimension.. it's either one or the other. Thus, humans will split into different camps and will be attracted to those who share their same polarity.  That is part of the lesson of the next level of consciousness. In the 5th, it merges once again into totality.

But what won't be happening, is fear-based beings.. controlling and manipulating others and ravaging the planet. That won't slide, as they will be as transparent as glass and people are not so easily manipulated when the knowledge of the multiverse is at their beck and call and the intentions of all beings might as well be written on their foreheads. Thus, those fear-based beings will be confined to controlling and manipulating those of their own kind. They will play their games on each other, but they will not effect those outside of their communities. They may riot and they may hoard and pillage, but that will only amount to shitting in their own backyard. They will have to evolve like everyone else, they will have just chosen a different path to travel down.

tl,dr: Yes, the "bad" and "good" will still exist, but they will be clearly defined and our communities will not be intermixed.

PS. "Karma" is instantaneous in the 4th dimension. There is no time delay like in the 3rd. 


I really enjoyed your post...where do you learn such information? About 4th 5th dimensions etc???
I am very sure about consciousness levels raising until it merges in the whole butyou seem to have a few nice concepts about how this will play out, i used to have many concepts about how it will play out but ive let them all go & just trusted in not knowing.

:peace:



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Re: 2012 [Re: Chronic7]
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It would be really swell if space brothers and sisters landed soon and got rid of the sleazy governments that rape the planet and tell us we can't take drugs... :laugh:


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Re: 2012 [Re: Mr.Al]
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well the thing is that it seems that your allt alkign about mental changes but on  this site all they talk about is "huge earthquakes putting cities into the ground" and meteors destroying whole cities and things like that...


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Re: 2012 [Re: holeclams]
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With a magnetic shift comes great Earth changes, no doubt. A necessary part of transformation.. we must be prepared to handle such hard times and unite as a people. But "mental" changes are as big of a part of it as any physical change. In order to attune to such changes we must be mentally and spiritually prepared. Natural disasters are a necessary part of cleansing of the Earth, at the same time.. we must undergo and overcome 'disasters within' as a part of the learning process in order to reach a new level of understanding. There may be hard times ahead, but they will be necessary for such a dramatic change in the paradigm.

Evan, I am usually averse to being so open due to harsh criticism.. but my information comes from several sources. One being within and the memories of past lives in which very similar circumstances have played out. This transformation process happens to every civilization at a certain point in their evolution as a species, and very rarely does a civilization 'graduate' into the next level when it is at the point our civilization is currently. But the mass consciousness of Earth has decided and a new order of peace, prosperity and sovereignty is the chosen path of humanity for the future. It may seem bleak at times, but a quantum leap in consciousness is entirely possible and is a reality we can make happen. My other main source is that which is relayed to my subconscious by our friendly space brothers and sisters, who are in contact with many emissaries on our planet at this time.. and throughout all of history. Information passes through my "filter" which I then relay, through my own words, as accurately as possible, but I am far from perfect.

Our space brothers and sisters are not going to land and rid us of any sleazy governments. We are responsible for our own planet. They are binded by the rules of non-interference in our reality and until we awaken to our sovereignty as divine beings and make peace with ourselves and our planet they may only serve as a background influence. How can we accept sentient beings from other worlds if we cannot even get along with each other? They are not here to save our world.. this is our school and we must do the job ourselves. What they are here for, is to welcome us into the galactic society once we are ready to take that next step of evolution, and to give us a guiding hand and endless loving compassion, should we choose to align ourselves with them. Again, when we are ready. They are not going to land on the white house lawn in the mothership and declare to the world they are here to save us. The world already knows they are here, for they have been here all along. It is just hidden in the subconscious. There are many species visiting our planet for this is a very interesting time for the rest of the Universe as well, and the outcome here effects not only us but many other star systems as well. Many planets have undergone similar transformations before, but never before has it been so dramatic and in such a short period of time, so what is happening here is sort of a galactic theater that attracts a lot of interest from across the Galaxy.


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Re: 2012 [Re: Shroomism]
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^exactly, I don't see any star family or extradimensional entities coming to save us,but I do believe they will be and are here to help us. I think the whole idea is co-creating a better world which starts with each individuals self realization and ability to trigger a new paradigm shift coinciding with earth and DNA changes that seem to be taking place at this time.

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Re: 2012 [Re: holeclams]
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you can make the prophecy come true by voting for john mccain...


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Re: 2012 [Re: Shroomism]
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So Shroomism, would you say that Bush and co. are just playing out their role to get us to where we need to be?  Cuz if so, then why do the majority of people who believe this 2012 theory still continue to be angry and upset at what he is doing?  Seems like he and his people and their tactics and actions are required for this thing to happen. 

And with your theories are you implying that this ascent into the 4th dimension is inevitable or is there a chance that nothing might happen and we descend into a 1984 type scenario?  Do you assume that whatever the god-head is actually wants to have humanity share in the collective remembrance of the divine?


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Re: 2012 [Re: SoY]
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Shouldn't we be feeling some of those changes by now, since its relatively close to 2012?  Frankly I see the world and everyone around me just as materialistic as they were since the beginning of time.  For those of us that regularly practice a type of spirituality, shouldn't we be picking up on this new found energy?


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Re: 2012 [Re: CokedUpHobit64]
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You would think you wouldn't even have to try...


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Re: 2012 [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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I would say that yes, Bush and co are just playing out their role. They may not even be inherently "bad" people. I would say the majority of people that are upset and angry about the whole situation are that way because that is a perfectly natural human response to oppression and injustice. This period of time is a great tribulation for many people and as they begin to awaken to their spirituality they begin to see the world with clear eyes for the first time and want to cast those shackles aside. Bush and cronies, are merely puppets acting out a role. But there is a 'puppetmaster', pulling on the strings, knowing exactly what he is doing. Is it not all just a part of the grand picture? Sure.. everything happens for a reason. But there must be balance to the force you see... equilibrium is a necessary function of the Universe. And our world has for a very long been in the dark. It is time for the "power" to return to the people.

My theories are implying that the 4th+ dimensions are inevitable on the Planet Earth. There is always the chance that humanity as a whole will fail to sufficiently evolve enough to 'go with the flow', and if that be the case our civilization is pretty much doomed. Go with the flow or sink with the ship I believe the saying goes. It is entirely possible for a civilzation to "fail" it's graduation ceremony, and even descend and repeat another cycle in the dense dimension until they are sufficiently prepared, as a civilization, to move forward. Our civilization has fallen in a shift in the past.. if you are somewhat familiar with the legend (and "fall) of Atlantis, Earth was on that level in the past and we 'descended'. However, it is my belief and conviction that the collective consciousness of Earth and its inhabitants have decided that this time we will in fact go with the flow and evolve into the next age of humanity. Regardless, the Earth is set to shift dimensions and I believe that those who are not yet ready to evolve into the next level of consciousness will continue their 3rd dimension experiences elsewhere.

CokedUpHobit64: Should you be feeling some of these changes? I would say those more perceptive to subtle energies would have begun to notice the tides shifting already, and it will only become more pronounced as time passes. The fact that much of the world is still clinging to the ways of the old world is not indicative of no change. The cabal that wishes to rule this planet is aware of this change and they wish to cling to their stranglehold and keep people as unaware as possible for as long as they possibly can, when people become empowered.. they lose their power. Thus, they will continue to keep it "business as usual" until the very end, when they can no longer continue to manipulate the masses in deception. From my own personal observations, I would say that indeed MANY people have already begun to awaken to their spiritual divinity.. and this number is constantly increasing. The "New Age Movement" is indicative of this, and as we are in the "Age of Information now, it becomes increasingly harder and harder to hide the truth. Indeed, massive change is already taking place.. much of it in the background.. and while many people still cling to the materialistic world of the past and fight tooth and nail to retain their sense of reality, that does not stop change from coming. Change is inevitable.

But does that mean that to attune to these new energies, one simply sit back and let it fly? No. It is not some passive event that we have no say in. We all have work to do, within.. to clear out blocked energies and awaken our divinity.. we are the creators of our reality and that does not happen without effort. We must be sufficiently prepared to take that step forward.. We still have work to do yet. It is not an overnight process..


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Re: 2012 [Re: Shroomism] * 1
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We're all going to die.


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Re: 2012 [Re: Around In Circles]
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I'm a definite subscriber to 2012 theories. I'm with shroomism as far as what he's got to say regarding it. i've been researching the subject for 3 + years out of personal interest.  As for what's happening with the cusp of cycles in our large universe shroomism pretty well covered the subject, but the truth is nobody knows for sure what effect any of this is going to have. I tend to lean towards the expanse of consciousness theories, but only because i'm hopeful. I thought i'd add to this post  because I found it interesting when articles like this started popping up on the shroomery a while back.
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I know the articles don't share much in common, but i can't help but wonder if the guys behind this venture are 2012 theorists as well. Perhaps they are in agreement with me that we don't know what effect this will have. maybe earthquakes will happen, volcanos, hurricanes and whatnot as well. maybe they're just trying to save the human race. It's an expensive ticket but maybe they figure that meant visitors would have a college education and therefore be 'educated'.

obviously this is all speculation by myself, but it's an interesting idea to look at.


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Re: 2012 [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
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umm... sorry but whoever said 2012 is when we enter the age of Aquarius... is dead wrong. We are over a hundred years away before hitting the age of Aquarius, and leaving the age of Pisces.

As far as magnetic polar shifts, our earth has been doing this for as long as we have been around, about every four years. We are about to finish another magnetic pole shift by the end of this year.

I don't believe any of the Mayan prophecies, i've read the scriptures that the shamans predicted in the 19th and 20th centuries, and i dont believe jack of it. It's way too generalized to be taken seriously.

Dec 21st, in every year, is what is known as the Winter Solstice, not an equinox. Dec 21st is the day in the year with the shortest amount of sunlight, and greatest amount of night in a 24 hour cycle. This was a significant phenomena to past cultures, especially those in the southern hemisphere, because from dec. 21-23, the sun would cease to move, atleast to the naked eye for those three days... the death of the sun(jesus anyone?) And of course on dec. 24th... the sun would move ever so slightly, signifying the end of the Winter Solstice, and foreshadowing longer days ahead of them... the birth of the sun(...jesus anyone?).

Very interesting how the Mayans picked the darkest day in the year (literally) for the world to "end". My simple prediction... is that "our" world will infact end, by that meaning the world we currently live in, will be gone by 2012. Which could really mean anything, it could be bad or good. Maybe in 2012 we will fix global warming and oil dependancy, or maybe we will enter another world war. Whatever will happen, I doubt we will be invaded by aliens, or our world will simply blow up spontaneously. Wake up people, just because Mayan shamans drank angle trumpet tea all day doesn't mean they can predict this shit.

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Re: 2012 [Re: foliocb]
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foliocb said:
My simple prediction... is that "our" world will infact end, by that meaning the world we currently live in, will be gone by 2012. Which could really mean anything, it could be bad or good. Maybe in 2012 we will fix global warming and oil dependancy, or maybe we will enter another world war. Whatever will happen, I doubt we will be invaded by aliens, or our world will simply blow up spontaneously. Wake up people, just because Mayan shamans drank angle trumpet tea all day doesn't mean they can predict this shit.


You just said the world will end in 2012...what do you mean they can't predict it?

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Re: 2012 [Re: Sleepwalker]
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hehe... i meant "the world as we know it" could end, but not in a destructive way. The mayans clearly stated the worlds demise and destruction would hit on 12/21/2012. Im not talking about destruction at all... i was talking about change.

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