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A solution to the drug problem?
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Hi everyone, i'm from New Zealand and over here the party drug BZP has been legal for several years but has just recently been made illegal. This got me thinking as to why goverments all over the world pursue this naive notion of prohibition as a solution to the drug problem in modern society?
I then had the thourght that maybe its because they just can't come up with another solution themselves, so I decided to wright an article about one that I came up with.
I wanted to post it here to get some feedback from you guys on the positives and negatives of this potential solution. comments appreciated.


The Drug Problem
Looking back on history it has become blindingly apparent that the drug problem is not going to go away just by making the drugs illegal. Human beings have been using substances for thousands of years to alter consciousness, relieve pain and to experience extremes of pleasure and the desire to do so is not going to go away simply by criminalizing their use.
Society is eventually going to have to face and accept the fact that prohibition does not work, there is always going to be a portion of the population that uses drugs for various reasons whether they are prohibited or not.
So the question arises ‘How can we as a rational society deal the with the drug problem effectively?’ We already know from previous experiences that outright prohibition never works and that without fail a black market always arises for the prohibited substance because the consumer demand doesn’t go away. Black markets provide large amounts of money and power to those who are willing to break the law and there is no form of regulation on the products that are sold, often resulting in contaminated and dangerous products and sale to minors.
The prohibition of drugs was I believe to try to protect people from their potential negative effects namely addiction, violent or self-destructive behaviour and the psychological troubles some people experience when using certain substances. However these three problems were only escalated by prohibition because people who display them are considered ‘criminals’ in the eyes of the law and often try to hide their problems due to the threat of punishment under the law and also the negative stigmas associated with drug using.
The prohibition of drugs did not eliminate the desire of people to use them and only made it more dangerous for them to do so.
So it seems to me that the only rational thing to do to a law, that not only didn’t solve the problem it was meant to solve but made it worse, is to abolish that law and come up with another way to deal with the problem.

Solution?
A possible solution that I conjured up and I am sure that’s its not an original idea is that we as a society could licence people to use drugs just as we licence people to drive on the roads. Anyone wishing to become a licensed drug user would first have to meet certain criteria.
The first of these criteria would have to be an age limit, this limit could be fixed (e.g.20 or 25) or it could vary from drug to drug depending on their potential dangers.
The second of these criteria would be some kind of test to assess mental stability. This could be preformed by psychiatrists and would be based on mental history and previous drug experiences (and possibly other things suggested by the psychiatrists). They would also have to pass a test on drug safety and agree to certain licence conditions (e.g. you can not use substance X in public or in the presence of children) in which the breaking of these conditions would then result in fines or lose of licence.
Once the hopeful candidate has passed the psychiatric and other tests they would be issued with an ID card containing a microchip or magnetic strip which would hold the users drug purchasing history. The licence holders would then be able to purchase their drugs from specialist government regulated drug stores. Licence holders would have fixed amounts that they would be allowed to purchase within certain time periods thus minimising the risk of addiction. Taking one of the most addictive drugs, heroin, as an example, users might be able to buy say 1 dose per week. The actual safest time frames and dosages would have to be established from medical and toxicity data.
This system would provide a safer means for users to obtain their drugs because the drug stores would be government regulated and the purity and dosage of the drugs would be standardised and monitored, as apposed to street drugs which can be impure and of unknown dosage. It is also safer for any users who suffer unforeseen negatives effects from a drug, because they can then seek medical assistance/advisement without fear of punishment.
This system would also be beneficial for non-drug using members of the public for several reasons. Firstly it would take the power away from dangerous gangs and criminal syndicates for whom prohibition is an endless goldmine. It would also make it a lot harder for underage users to get a hold of potentially dangerous substances. Thirdly because licence holders will have been established as being mentally stable it decreases the chances of mentally unstable people using drugs and posing a risk to the community. Also I haven’t done the math but I am pretty certain that this system would cost a lot less to implement than the current ‘war on drugs’ costs per year.
Also once the system is set up and running it would generate large amounts of tax dollars through drug sales, which could then be used for beneficial purposes within the community. Finally it would free up a lot of police time which could then be used for dealing with more important issues.

This system would I believe create the safest environment for everyone in societies/civilisations/cultures for whom drug use is a constant throughout history and throughout many demographics.

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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: trippinalice]
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uhm, well... it's kinda a good idea.

The main issue I see is using the drugs without a license is still illegal, therefore people who didn't meet the government's standards to take drugs, which will be A LOT of people, will still keep the black market thriving.

Next, only allowing someone who uses heroin on hit a week? That's literally laughable. To most heroin addicts that's just one less blowjob that week to get money for a hit. Restricting doses is just as useless as prohibition and will probably cause several robberies of the clinics... plus the black market will still go on for people who have hit their max gov issued dose.


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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: StonedShroom]
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StonedShroom I never assumed that this system would be perfect for everyone, it would simply be better for a greater number of people than the current laws.
And if you think about it, it is only a small minority of heroin users that become dangerously addicted. The majority of users do not get addicted and use the drug incident free(sorry couldnt find the actual statistics).
This way anyone who is addicted would under this system be treated as a public health problem rather than a law enforcement problem.
Also i think a black market only used by addicts would be alot smaller and eaiser to enforce than the current one.

I guess it basically comes down 'should we lump all drugs users together and call them criminals?' or 'should we just concentrate on the people who have a problem and need help dealing with their drug use?'
The second one seems to me like the easier of the two.

Edited by trippinalice (03/28/08 02:40 AM)

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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: trippinalice]
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I like your ideas. A license, mandated by the state, based on mental stability, age, previous experience, etc has a lot of potential as an alternative to prohibition. Obviously a license system would require a limit to dosages, and (as SS pointed out) inevitably would exclude many when they don't meet the requirements, so the black market would remain intact, but it would certainly be a step in the right direction. I think comprehensive drug education (sans scare tactics and misinformation) would also have to be implemented, so that people could make informed, well based decisions. Maybe (if it was financially feasible) a branch of counselors could be implemented to keep tabs on licensed users and help avoid addiction and abusive behavior.

I'll try to remember to come back to this when it isn't four in the morning, and when I'm not drowsy and disoriented :grin:

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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: trippinalice]
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> why goverments all over the world pursue this naive notion of prohibition as a solution to the drug problem in modern society?

I see the propaganda has already gotten you as well. Drug problem? The only drug problem is that some people feel they have the right to dictate what drugs I can or cannot put into my own body. Beyond that, there is no drug problem.


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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: Cameron]
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its an interesting idea but i think there are holes in it

the most important thing i would say you should reconsider is get the government the fuck out of this lisencing, they are inefficient as all hell and the market can provide for this easily. a gov issued liscence is just as bad as total illegality

i also have serious doubts to the legitimacy of psychiatry in general and i think its unwise to use this as a qualification


i think its as simple as make it legal period no questions ask

studys have shown that hard drug users would stay about the same, and rates are higher today than when it was legal


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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: trippinalice]
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The simple answer is to have everything on Doctors prescription for free.

You want a hit of heroin, you go see your doctor he explains the risks then safely gives you a pure correct dose.

No more over doses.
Massive reduction in drug deaths.
No more street drug dealers.
Users are reduced as drugs novelty value is removed.
No more drug funds going to criminals.
Crime bosses / cartels can no longer be involved in drug trade.

Governments KNOW this is the case most people have studied prohibition at some point in their life.

I think to be honest theres more sinister reasons why this hasn't happened.
There are accusations of CIA and MI6 drug involvement. They were proved to be running the Afgan heroin trade back in the 80's. There are also other incidents of CIA drug involvement being uncovered.

These countries also have a huge black budget. That money has got to come from somewhere....

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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: MDMC]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8162539#Post8162539

I tried to come up with somthing similar weeks ago in this post. It gives the government little authority over people using what drugs, but still allows them to police people that are a danger to the world. It is in no way the right way, but a way. Better than everything being illegal.


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"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: Kada]
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They just need to make all drugs legal and have special pharmacies where anyone over a certain age can come in and buy a dose or several doses of whatever drug is desired.

In this way all the black market crap is entirely gone. The government can regulate the production of the drugs to ensure purity, and the doses can be accurately measured. This way nobody gets bunk shit, nobody gets a toxic cut in it and overdoses would be extremely rare.

If people want to use drugs, they are going to do it. This would be the best way to do it. Everyone is happy.

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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: Horribla]
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Thanks for all the feedback.
MDMC and LoardofChaos i think your idea of having doctors prescribe the drugs would indeed work just as well as having a licence, although it might be a bit too much of a burden for the doctors to bear, they are after all in the business of healing not getting people high.

A few of you seem to think that total legalisation of drugs is the answer, and i agree that it is what we should be aiming for. But you have to remember that there is a massive amount of fear and paranoia out there in the general public about drug use, and a licensing system like this seems like a more realistic 1st step than total legalisation.

Also Anyone420 you might be right that it would be better to minimise goverment involvement(as they do tend to fuck things up) and give the responsibility to the private sector to handle.

Seuss said:
'I see the propaganda has already gotten you as well. Drug problem? The only drug problem is that some people feel they have the right to dictate what drugs I can or cannot put into my own body. Beyond that, there is no drug problem. '

Thanks for pointing this out, i realise that the problem is not created by the drugs themselves but by societies naive views about drug use. I used the term 'drug problem' because thats what its widely refered to as.

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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: trippinalice]
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BTW is everyone awear of this group LEAP, law enforcement against prohibition, they are doing great things.


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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: trippinalice]
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In the US there are so many lies floating around about the effects of drug use that I personally dont think anything can be changed to legalize anything until the mass of the population is well informed to the point of making their own decisions.

Since public schools and even tv portray that drugs and drug users are scum, everyone believes it. Most dont believe it, but mass media DOES control the thoughts of those too ignorant to find out for themselves.

Another thought is that the government 'enjoys' the money received through fines, and knowing our government, they wont change anything that might dig into their pockets.

Although your idea is great and it has the potential to increase government tax flow, I dont think it has much of a chance to even be taken into consideration because the government does not take 'chances'. They make horrible mistakes (aka The war on terror) but they will never admit to it, instead they will play it out as if it was meant to happen.....


Sorry for my rant. I am in a very conspiracy-based mood today. Time to smoke some pot!!


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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: trippinalice]
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Wow thanks for posating that video. Im glad there are people out there in government positions like that against prohibition. It really says somthing.

Good stuff in there.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: A solution to the drug problem? [Re: Bubba McMushies]
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Yeah you're right BubbaMcMushies, I don't really expect that many people will be able to accept a step like this, most people are way to ignorant.
I was trying to put forward a realistic plan but maybe I missed out an important 1st step to wipe peoples ignorance.......acid in the water supply anyone?

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