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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Stizzle]
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Stizzle said:
todesengel said:
I think whats holding governments back is that after drugs are legalized for a few years, kids grow up knowing its their for them to try out. Curiosity ALWAYS gets the better of you as a kid. So kids trying these things is not what we need. Legalized meth is the gayest thing since richard simmons.


And you don't think outlawing it adds to the precious children's curiosity?


Nope. But my views are based on my experiance. As a child growing up, I actually believed everything I was told. It was not until I decided to try drugs for myself did I realize how wrong they were. The shit they say actually affects some people.

Edited by todesengel (03/18/08 12:14 PM)

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: todesengel]
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So then pharm companies are ganna make even more money if people can buy it off the shelf. They should want everything to be off the shelf because they are going to make a fortune. To get it through your insurance cheaper, you would have to get a doctor to write a script for it prob anyways. Insurance companies are not going to support drug habits. The more pure script version of your "bathtub meth" will cost more than people pay for the drug now unless they go through insurance. So people will prob still continue to make "bathtub meth."

Would people be able to afford to keep up a heavy habit of whatever is your legal drug of choice? hmm prob not unless you make alot of money. It would put alot of the supposed terrorist funded drug lords out of business. I for one, would love to go get some of my favorite pills off the shelf. Imagine picking up a few rolls from the drug store lol. That would rock.

I don't ever see this happening tho. The U.S. gov loves to tell people what to do and how to act. They would be in fear of my original postings about the people that wouldn't or couldn't control themselves. I'm just rambling now. I do see your point of view now. I agree with you more now than what i originally was thinking. I will say you are more right than i am niteowl.

I guess all the idiots that wouldn't control themselves, are the same people that can't understand you don't drink and drive. I just thought that legalizing more things would bring out more idiots doing stupid things while under the influence. There might be more accidents and crimes on drugs, but the number of alcohol related accidents and crimes would go down possibly. It would most likely balance itself out. You are right. I applaud you sir. It takes alot to change my mind about something.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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Not necessarily.

These are old drugs. It is likely the patents expired long ago. Big pharma wouldn't make very much. As far as insurance is concerned they already fund people's habits. Hydrocodone is the third most prescribed drug int he U.S. Xanax is number 4. I could be mistaken but I don't think a lot of people are paying out of pocket for these.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: todesengel]
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todesengel said:
I think whats holding governments back is that after drugs are legalized for a few years, kids grow up knowing its their for them to try out.


Only if their parents teach that to them. My parents taught me to stay away from alcohol and tobacco.........and it worked untill I was old enough to make my own mind up about these drugs.

The same thing will happen if/when meth is legalized.


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Curiosity ALWAYS gets the better of you as a kid. So kids trying these things is not what we need. Legalized meth is the gayest thing since richard simmons.


So your solution is to keep things the way they are.

Kids can get their hands on weed and meth easier than they can alcohol or tobacco because it is illegal.
:imslow:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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LordOfChaos said:
So then pharm companies are ganna make even more money if people can buy it off the shelf. They should want everything to be off the shelf because they are going to make a fortune.


never.....NEVER did I say these drugs would be available OTC.

You should really start reading others posts before you start your mouth back up.

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To get it through your insurance cheaper, you would have to get a doctor to write a script for it prob anyways. Insurance companies are not going to support drug habits. The more pure script version of your "bathtub meth" will cost more than people pay for the drug now unless they go through insurance. So people will prob still continue to make "bathtub meth."


Drug companies regularly support drug habits (klonipin, Xanax...there are others).

If you could get affordable legal meth wouldn't you do that rather than go to the street dealer and take a chance on harming yourself?

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Would people be able to afford to keep up a heavy habit of whatever is your legal drug of choice?


Since I see this as a health issue then no I don't see people becoming as addicted to these drugs as they are today with the drugs being unregulated. Anyone can go get an 8-ball and do the whole thing, all at once, and probably kill himself. This danger can be avoided if it was regulated.


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I do see your point of view now. I agree with you more now than what i originally was thinking. I will say you are more right than i am niteowl.

I guess all the idiots that wouldn't control themselves, are the same people that can't understand you don't drink and drive. I just thought that legalizing more things would bring out more idiots doing stupid things while under the influence. There might be more accidents and crimes on drugs, but the number of alcohol related accidents and crimes would go down possibly. It would most likely balance itself out. You are right. I applaud you sir. It takes alot to change my mind about something.


:whatever:


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Don't be bogged down by your past
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
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You are on a rampage today hu? I guess your intent on being right. So, yeah. My last post up there was to try to understand people, but you sir don't want to be understood. you want to tell people what is right. Your just as bad as the people making it illegal.
:cannon:


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. *DELETED* [Re: Kada]
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Alcoholics Anonymous

Narcotics Anonymous

Get help, help is free and available 24/7/365.

God bless you all and I hope you receive the help you need to turn away from your lives of sin.

Mushrooms and drugs make you gay, you can reverse this homosexual condition with rehab, get help! Stop being gay!

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. *DELETED* [Re: Chemy]
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Alcoholics Anonymous

Narcotics Anonymous

Get help, help is free and available 24/7/365.

God bless you all and I hope you receive the help you need to turn away from your lives of sin.

Mushrooms and drugs make you gay, you can reverse this homosexual condition with rehab, get help! Stop being gay!

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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LordOfChaos said:
You are on a rampage today hu? I guess your intent on being right. So, yeah. My last post up there was to try to understand people, but you sir don't want to be understood. you want to tell people what is right. Your just as bad as the people making it illegal.


Strange that you agree with me then isn't it?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
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Chemy said:
I can't stand the people that think that any drug can't be purchased 24/7 right now.
And with legalization the drugs would be available 24/7 not like it is now, oh wait it would be exactly the same availability.

Except with legalization there would be USP grade drugs going into peoples bodies and not lye, iodine, muriatic acid, mercury, etc.


I'm quite partial to my daily dose of mercury, thankyouverymuch.  :snub:


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"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
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I agree with you. The only thing i was trying to say other than what you were saying, was that there needed to be something for people that can't control themselves. I guess getting arrested for doing stupid things would be a deterrent, but it wouldn't help the person until they did hurt themselves or others. I had no clue there was a program called the Baker act. I could see a program like that helping the people who can't deal with the option of taking whatever they wanted. that is the type of a program i was asking about. If all drugs are legal, then there needs to be something. The baker act is exactly the idea i was looking for.
I am more into natural drugs. I have always said that natural growing drugs should never be made illegal. If you can't OD off of it, what is the point in making it illegal other than killing peoples fun? Something that you can OD off of, or get out of control, needs a program like that one before people kill themselves. Even people who do natural non addictive drugs could benifit from a program like that. I dont mean that exact program for all situations. But something i am not comming up with could be thought of.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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LordOfChaos said:
I agree with you. The only thing i was trying to say other than what you were saying, was that there needed to be something for people that can't conrol themselfs. I guess getting arrested for doing stupid things would be a deterrent, but it wouldn't help the person until they did hurt themselfs or others. I had no clue there was a program called the Baker act. I could see a program like that helping the people who can't deal with the option of taking whatever they wanted. that is the type of a program i was asking about. If all drugs are illegal, then there needs to be somthing. The baker act is exactly the idea i was looking for.
I am more into natural drugs. I have always said that natural growing drugs should never be made illegal. If you can't OD off of it, what is the point in making it illegal other than killing peoples fun? Something that you can OD off of, or get out of control, needs a program like that one before people kill themselfs.


FFS, STUPID FUCKIN LIBERAL BULLSHIT!

!!!!GET RID OF THE F****ING GOVERNMENT BABYSITTING SAFETY NET. PEOPLE SHOULD BE FREE TO DO STUPID SHIT TO THEMSELVES AT THERE OWN GODDAMN DETRIMENT!!!!!


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"In the beginning, I had no name. i was a shape, a snarling shadow of the Old World which slipped into this existence" - Steven Erikson

"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
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Im not talking about the government. The government would have nothing to do with it. The governemnt should have 0 say in it unless you do somthing illegal while on a drug. Just like public intox, or dwi. Settle down there lol.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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Enlighten me, wtf are you saying then? :what:

Are you just farting in the wind?


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"In the beginning, I had no name. i was a shape, a snarling shadow of the Old World which slipped into this existence" - Steven Erikson

"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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Shit, i just took some hydrocodone. It wasn't scripted to me, but i love it. The doc gives me some to alleviate pain in my body from a horrible accident, but he didn't give me these. You must be hearing me all wrong or something. I agree with you on so many things, but you are not getting me.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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Government programs are a option. I prefer that medical professionals deal with the problems of addiction and the law enforcement officers deal with people who harm other people.


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"In the beginning, I had no name. i was a shape, a snarling shadow of the Old World which slipped into this existence" - Steven Erikson

"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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LordOfChaos said:
I agree with you. The only thing i was trying to say other than what you were saying, was that there needed to be something for people that can't control themselves. I guess getting arrested for doing stupid things would be a deterrent, but it wouldn't help the person until they did hurt themselves or others. I had no clue there was a program called the Baker act. I could see a program like that helping the people who can't deal with the option of taking whatever they wanted. that is the type of a program i was asking about. If all drugs are legal, then there needs to be something. The baker act is exactly the idea i was looking for.
I am more into natural drugs. I have always said that natural growing drugs should never be made illegal. If you can't OD off of it, what is the point in making it illegal other than killing peoples fun? Something that you can OD off of, or get out of control, needs a program like that one before people kill themselves. Even people who do natural non addictive drugs could benifit from a program like that. I dont mean that exact program for all situations. But something i am not comming up with could be thought of.


:congrats:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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BTW, forgive my ranting, I'm very drunk. :lol:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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I don't know what can be done. Ok I'll try to come up with something off the wall to give a example as to what i am saying here:

You want to do drugs. Any drug that WAS illegal. The gov just made all drugs legal. You go to your doctor and tell him/her what you want to do, then he tells you how to be safe about it. then the doctor see's that you are fully informed as to what you are taking, then gives you a card stating you are fully aware you know what you are doing. Then, you can go buy the drugs knowing that you still need to be responsible about it. You go to your doctors for a checkup every 6 months or so, so the doc can check your health so YOU know you are fine. If you do something stupid like get caught doing heavy drugs while driving or something, then you get your card taken away for 6 months or so, then the doc scripts you for a certain drug if he feels you really need something specific.

The government has minimal if not nothing to do with it. I understand you think that everyone should have free reign with drugs, but some people can't control themselves and should not be trusted on their own with drugs. As for drugs that are not sold by drug stores, if you had a card, you would be able to carry whatever you wanted on you, then use whatever you wanted, because at least you have a medical doctors backing saying you know what you are doing.

This is not a exact plan. I'm just throwing something out there. I know what you are going to say about it. That no one should be telling you want you can and cant take. Well, for the safety of others, they do the same with alcohol. I am NOT saying this is what should be done. I am merely giving a example of something that could be done. I didn't want to come up with something myself, because i wouldn't find myself qualified to come up with something myself. This is only a example. I'm sure you will think this is totally stupid.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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That sounds like a very good idea. Leave it to the health care professionals to provide the service one on one with their patients. The downside I can see is that the government would be able to look up a persons record and see what drugs they are on. I don't like that idea.

Much better idea is just to have it totally legal. You can choose to get it from a local supplier, or straight form the pharmacist or you can confide in a doctor who can advise and regulate your use(for an extra cost).


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"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -

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