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Redstorm
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
#8160780 - 03/18/08 05:43 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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People have the right to put whatever they want in their bodies.
You are not your brother's keeper and have no right to determine what they should do to themselves. This exact line of thinking is what created the war on drugs.
You are not your brother's keeper.
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bradmassive
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
#8160783 - 03/18/08 05:44 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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narkotik said: It would make sense if the government COULD regulate it and legalize a safer form of meth, yeah. if its possible that would make perfect sense...
I take some of that back. No need to regulate it just legalize. The market regulates itself.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Redstorm]
#8160790 - 03/18/08 05:46 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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He knows that already Redstorm. I schooled his ass earlier in the thread.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
#8160797 - 03/18/08 05:55 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Chemy said: But only because whiney little crybabies and soccermoms buy into the health and safety of the people argument the government dishes out to the morons.
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narkotik
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
#8160814 - 03/18/08 06:10 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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WTF i never said i was.. i just dont think legalizing meth would be the solution to the problem wtf is your guys problem? you guys take it the wrong way.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
#8160817 - 03/18/08 06:13 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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narkotik said: WTF i never said i was.. i just dont think legalizing meth would be the solution to the problem wtf is your guys problem? you guys take it the wrong way.
What 'solution' do you propose? Its really simple, either you're for legalization or you're for government controls.
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narkotik
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
#8160823 - 03/18/08 06:16 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Take your DARE garbage where it belongs, the dump of the internet abovetheinfluence.com
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It would make sense if the government COULD regulate it and legalize a safer form of meth, yeah. if its possible that would make perfect sense...
Stop being a soccermom and grow a pair ok.
And yea, I realize drugs will never be legalized in my lifetime, and drug users will continue to be imprisoned because the government exerts ownership of US citizens bodies.
But only because whiney little crybabies and soccermoms buy into the health and safety of the people argument the government dishes out to the morons.
Dude wtf? You don't even understand what im trying to say... this topic is about the solution to the "meth problem" or whatever you want to call it, and the person who started the topic said the solution would be to legalize the drug. i said in my opinion that would be the stupidest idea and a very very bad idea. and actually for your information i have been incarcerated for drugs. not that that really matters but you obviously didn't read closely, i said LEGALIZING METH IS NOT THE ANSWER TO THE PROBLEM.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
#8160833 - 03/18/08 06:25 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Ok you obviously don't read very well Bradmassive. I said i'm not for the legalization of meth, but someone mentioned earlier maybe creating a safer form of it and regulating it would be an idea. i can't believe you guys are for the legalization of this drug its really a bad drug... haven't you guys used the drug before? anyone who's used it enough wouldn't say its safe to be legal... trust me i've been to jail before for drugs... im all for the regulation of drugs and reform of laws of drugs.. but legalizing drugs like meth isn't the solution.. thats my OPINION so you guys can act mature and take your comments someplace else.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
#8160834 - 03/18/08 06:25 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Take your DARE garbage where it belongs, the dump of the internet abovetheinfluence.com
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It would make sense if the government COULD regulate it and legalize a safer form of meth, yeah. if its possible that would make perfect sense...
Stop being a soccermom and grow a pair ok.
And yea, I realize drugs will never be legalized in my lifetime, and drug users will continue to be imprisoned because the government exerts ownership of US citizens bodies.
But only because whiney little crybabies and soccermoms buy into the health and safety of the people argument the government dishes out to the morons.
Dude wtf? You don't even understand what im trying to say... this topic is about the solution to the "meth problem" or whatever you want to call it, and the person who started the topic said the solution would be to legalize the drug. i said in my opinion that would be the stupidest idea and a very very bad idea. and actually for your information i have been incarcerated for drugs. not that that really matters but you obviously didn't read closely, i said LEGALIZING METH IS NOT THE ANSWER TO THE PROBLEM.
Who cares if you were incarcerated for drugs and who cares about your opinion when you don't back it up with any solid argument? I don't.
Legalizing meth IS a step in the right direction towards dealing with the problem because meth addiction is a medical matter not a criminal one. Legalization takes the money and the power out of organized crime and puts it back where it belongs, in the hands of the people.
Everyone should have the right to do what they like with there own body/mind as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or breech anyone else's rights.
The government has NO right to intrude on civil liberties. They have an obligation to protect them.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
#8160843 - 03/18/08 06:29 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Chemy,
If you havent used meth before then obviously you don't know one thing about the drug. i've used it pretty heavily in the past and it fucked my body , mind, everything in a matter of weeks. i've used pretty much every drug, and meth is one i hate and won't touch ever again. dude you need to stop acting like you know it all or whatever with your comments and stupid shit.. i said what my point was.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
#8160853 - 03/18/08 06:31 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Ok i definately agree when you talk about prohibition not working and neither is making drugs illegal. of course the government is never going to win the drug war. billions of dollars are wasted every year on the drug war, and its all going to waste yeah but legalizing it i dont think is the solution. legalizing it would put the people making and supplying the drug out of the picture yeah that would be a good effect of legalization... the legalization of drugs is all too complicated i think
Can't you read? I posted this like 10 posts ago. I ONLY SAID I DONT AGREE WITH THE LEGALIZATION OF METH WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND? Jesus christ
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
#8160864 - 03/18/08 06:36 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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narkotik said: Ok you obviously don't read very well Bradmassive. I said i'm not for the legalization of meth, but someone mentioned earlier maybe creating a safer form of it and regulating it would be an idea. i can't believe you guys are for the legalization of this drug its really a bad drug... haven't you guys used the drug before? anyone who's used it enough wouldn't say its safe to be legal... trust me i've been to jail before for drugs... im all for the regulation of drugs and reform of laws of drugs.. but legalizing drugs like meth isn't the solution.. thats my OPINION so you guys can act mature and take your comments someplace else.
Government control over any substance is not the answer however 'harmful' the drug is. Do us all a favor an do some harm analysis on tobacco and alcohol. You've shared your opinion but you haven't backed it up with any solid argument, so why should anyone listen to you?
So what if you've used meth before, thats not a supporting argument dude. Get a clue.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
#8160868 - 03/18/08 06:38 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Whatever guys i'm over trying to get through to you. I tried to be reasonable but when you try to act too smart and start talking shit i'm over it.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
#8160877 - 03/18/08 06:41 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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narkotik said: Whatever guys i'm over trying to get through to you. I tried to be reasonable but when you try to act too smart and start talking shit i'm over it.
Have a logical argument next time instead of 'I did meth and this is my opinion'.
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Seuss
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
#8160900 - 03/18/08 06:54 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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> i've used it pretty heavily in the past and it fucked my body , mind, everything in a matter of weeks.
There is a difference between use and abuse. You abused meth if you damaged yourself in a matter of weeks. I used meth for over a year, maybe one weekend every other month, and did no (known) long term damage to myself. Responsible use is key with any mind altering substance.
> Its really simple, either you're for legalization or you're for government controls.
Actually, I am for both. The only types of drugs that the government should control are things like antibiotics where improper usage can cause pathogens to become drug resistant. Beyond that, let people put into their body what they wish.
> but legalizing drugs like meth isn't the solution
I disagree. Legalizing drugs like meth is the only solution. Sure, there will be a few problems. Nothing Darwin can't solve. However, the benefits to society as a whole far outweigh the losses from a few people that cannot control their habits. People that want illegal drugs, such as meth, are going to get it regardless of what the law states. What is the harm in letting them have what they want? More importantly, who am I to tell you what you can or cannot do with your own body?
When the government made drugs illegal, the government made slaves out of everybody. We no longer have the right to do with our body as we please; the government owns us, literally.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Seuss]
#8160906 - 03/18/08 06:59 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Seuss said:
Actually, I am for both. The only types of drugs that the government should control are things like antibiotics where improper usage can cause pathogens to become drug resistant. Beyond that, let people put into their body what they wish.
Why can't the medical professionals be solely responsible for that?
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
#8160909 - 03/18/08 07:00 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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I am all about legalizing natural drugs that are not addictive. BUT, i have done meth. The only thing that went wrong when i was on it was i stayed up a really long time. I stopped taking it when i realized i was taking it to much, and that it could harm me. Should it be illegal? No. Nothing should.
I do agree that the world could end up being a fucked up place if people were allowed to take these drugs legally, because you know people wouldn't be afraid to go out in public high as hell. They would see no reason not to do a line and go drive to their buddies house.
Most people on this forum are pretty right minded, but i know some stupid redneck idiots that would cause death and destruction if they could walk around high all the time. How could you limit a user using outside of their homes? Drug testing couldn't prove anything. If it was legal, then it wouldn't be illegal to have it in your system.
I do believe that the government should have no right to tell us what we can and can't use as recreation, but what would be a possible alternative to keep people from harming themselves while using drugs freely? Should anything be in place? What are some options? I'm not talking about doing what the gov is doing, I'm talking about seriously helping people control their appetites.
For gods sakes, people can't even be givin free reign over what they eat half the time. When they get fat as fuck, they just blame the fast food industry. I have noticed a more effort into being healthy in the last few years, but there are people that CAN NOT control themselves. What could society do as a alternative to jailing drug abusers? What about the abusers that don't want to quit? Let them kill themselves and possibly others around them in their recklessness? Please, come up with a decent program that helps, not restricts your god giving rights.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
#8160915 - 03/18/08 07:04 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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> Why can't the medical professionals be solely responsible for that?
Why can't I be soley responsible for that? Why do I have to spend $500 talking to a 'medical professional' to get a $20 prescription for something I could whip up in the lab, were it not illegal? And perhaps most importantly, who are you to tell me what I can or cannot put into my own body?
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Seuss]
#8160918 - 03/18/08 07:05 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Point, Seuss.
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
#8160921 - 03/18/08 07:06 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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