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The evils of meth......a solution. * 1
    #8158975 - 03/17/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

That solution is...........legalize it.


Thats right, I said it.
LEGALIZE METH.

Why you ask? Because the street drug "meth" can be made safely......and is.

It is called by many names...Ritalin and Adderol (sp) are two of its more famous names.

They are amphetamines.
Amphetamines are made by pharmaceutical companies, and are safe.


So in order to stop the rampant spread of "meth", legalize it and let the big companies make this drug, not some street thug who only cares about turning a profit.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl] * 1
    #8158984 - 03/17/08 08:04 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Such is true for a lot of drugs. Sad thing is there's too much money made and invested in keeping these chemicals scheduled. :thumbdown:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl] * 1
    #8158986 - 03/17/08 08:04 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

will you need a prescription?

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl] * 1
    #8158987 - 03/17/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I think it would draw some appeal away from it. Doing something deemed wrong will always be guiltily fun.

Legalize all chems possibly. If meth was legalized, pot would come way before.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: deranger] * 1
    #8158988 - 03/17/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)



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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: 0kehSt0nr] * 1
    #8158997 - 03/17/08 08:09 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Pimpz0r said:
you mean Desoxyn?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desoxyn



u beat me to it
those other drugs he mentioned were amphetamines not methamphetamines


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #8159035 - 03/17/08 08:14 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

yea i was talkin to SM -- but shit. anyone here ever get it prescribed to you?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl] * 1
    #8159180 - 03/17/08 08:46 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

the evils of meth arent how its made.

the evils of meth are revealed in the short lived highs, extreme addictions, and many destroyed lives that follow recreational use. I still think that it should be legal, though. People should have the choice to fuck up or not, be responsible or not...but

methamphetamine is far different than adderal XR.
amphetamine != meth


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: 0kehSt0nr] * 1
    #8159205 - 03/17/08 08:51 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Pimpz0r said:
Sad thing is there's too much money made and invested in keeping these chemicals scheduled. :thumbdown:




this seems to be the problem.  i use to believe that psychedelics should be legalized and that meth laws should hold strict punishment.  but i figure, all the money wasted into keeping these illegal is truly a waste.

sure, legalizing them would cause problems, but they could make other punishments like manslaughter and whatnot worse.

or maybe legalization just wouldn't work.  :confused:

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Colbadol] * 1
    #8159231 - 03/17/08 08:54 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Colbadol said:
the evils of meth arent how its made.

the evils of meth are revealed in the short lived highs




Short lived high?:confused:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: LayYouIn] * 1
    #8159240 - 03/17/08 08:56 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Theres no solution.

If you were to legalise meth, you'd have to legalise everything else. People are stupid and are not responsible enough to use these kinds of drugs, fact.

While I believe people should be allowed to choose whether they fuck up with drugs or not, the truth is most people WILL because most people are complete morons.

Nothing is as clear cut as right and wrong. Theres no solution, just get your drugs and take them. Enjoy them and you don't have to worry about legalisation as long as you have whatever it is that gets you high.

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive] * 2
    #8159248 - 03/17/08 08:57 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

coke has a way shorter high than meth
meth can keep me up for so fucking long
ur shit was weak! lol


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #8159254 - 03/17/08 08:58 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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coke has a way shorter high than meth
meth can keep me up for so fucking long
ur shit was weak! lol




Yeah, thats my point dude. Meth kept me up for 12 hours straight when it was good product.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive] * 1
    #8159260 - 03/17/08 09:00 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

lol meth can keep me up way longer than 12 hours
but caffeine doesnt do shit 4 me
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Mad_Larkin] * 1
    #8159268 - 03/17/08 09:01 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Saying it is a fact doesn't make it one. It's nobodies business what any other person does as long as they harm no one but themselves.

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #8159280 - 03/17/08 09:03 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

speaking of meth, anyone seen the new show breaking bad?

good shit

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: deranger] * 1
    #8159292 - 03/17/08 09:05 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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speaking of meth, anyone seen the new show breaking bad?

good shit




Its my favorite show right now. Best shit on TV.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #8159295 - 03/17/08 09:05 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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lol meth can keep me up way longer than 12 hours
but caffeine doesnt do shit 4 me
its weird




My tolerance to both was/is pretty high.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Mad_Larkin] * 1
    #8159921 - 03/17/08 11:14 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Theres no solution.




Yes there is.
You just don't want to see it.

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If you were to legalise meth, you'd have to legalise everything else.




Exactly my point.

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People are stupid and are not responsible enough to use these kinds of drugs, fact.




BullShit

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While I believe people should be allowed to choose whether they fuck up with drugs or not, the truth is most people WILL because most people are complete morons.




Hypocrite

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Nothing is as clear cut as right and wrong. Theres no solution, just get your drugs and take them. Enjoy them and you don't have to worry about legalisation as long as you have whatever it is that gets you high.




You just don't get it. Meth is our "bath-tub gin". Just like in prohibition days when alcohol was illegal. People resorted to making a toxic brew in their bathtubs. They called it bathtub gin, and it killed many people. Just like meth is today.

The solution is to legalize ALL drugs and put the distribution of these man made chemicals in the hands of Dr's.

Meth can be our "sounding board" to get peoples attention.

Who wants this dangerous drug (meth) to get into the hands of their children? There is nothing to stop it, people are cooking up meth all over the place.

If there were a legal alternative, then these meth cookers would be out of business.


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    #8160391 - 03/18/08 01:06 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8160419 - 03/18/08 01:17 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Short lived high?:confused:




Perhaps he's referring to the fact that you don't take anything away from meth use. Once the highs over, you just want it again, theres no long lasting benefit.

Just my guess, because meth does last a fuck of a long time.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl] * 1
    #8160465 - 03/18/08 01:40 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Umm i'm sorry but thats a stupid idea.. meth is the worst drug in my opinion.  Legalizing it would be so disastrous i dont want to think about it.... very very bad idea.  I have seen many friends go completely nuts while using meth.  Please think your posts through this was so stupid i'm sorry  but this is just retarted. :thumbdown:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
    #8160487 - 03/18/08 01:49 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Are you letting your emotions get in the way of reason?

Do you have a counter-argument or are you just sounding off?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8160489 - 03/18/08 01:51 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Are you talking to me?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
    #8160497 - 03/18/08 01:53 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

[Re: narkotik]

Yes


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: wildchild68]
    #8160508 - 03/18/08 01:59 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Quote:

bradmassive said:

Short lived high?:confused:




Perhaps he's referring to the fact that you don't take anything away from meth use. Once the highs over, you just want it again, theres no long lasting benefit.

Just my guess, because meth does last a fuck of a long time.




false. thats some of that hollywood played up drama shit. i've never used meth, but i've sure been around enough of them. some are very intelligent coherent people. you know how amphetamines are used for studying and concentration? thats basically what meth is like, except more potent. many people will find that it's easier to stimulate conversation or solve problems or whatever because of the amount of pure energy it releases, which is why it's so addictive. also i'm not promoting the shit, as it's not natural to be twacked out 24/7.

ps. also just saying that it does have it's uses, the problem lies with the users, not the drugs.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8160510 - 03/18/08 02:01 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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wildchild68 said:
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Short lived high?:confused:




Perhaps he's referring to the fact that you don't take anything away from meth use. Once the highs over, you just want it again, theres no long lasting benefit.

Just my guess, because meth does last a fuck of a long time.




false. thats some of that hollywood played up drama shit. i've never used meth, but i've sure been around enough of them. some are very intelligent coherent people. you know how amphetamines are used for studying and concentration? thats basically what meth is like, except more potent. many people will find that it's easier to stimulate conversation or solve problems or whatever because of the amount of pure energy it releases, which is why it's so addictive. also i'm not promoting the shit, as it's not natural to be twacked out 24/7.




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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8160513 - 03/18/08 02:03 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

No I'm not letting my emotions get in the way of reason. Meth is so harmful physically and mentally. Have you personally had any experience with methamphetamine? Meth depletes serotonin and dopamine levels in the brain, which takes years to get the brain's chemical balance somewhat back to normal. I know it does irreversible damage to the physical body, to the heart, damaging veins, the lists goes on and on. Legalizing meth would just be horrible are you saying you agree with the guy who started the thread? Legalizing it would mean cheaper, probably more potent, more of a supply. Legalization would guarantee countless overdoses.. suicide rate would go up im sure. Just so many negative effects stem from meth use... basically im saying no legalizing it is not the solution at all, meth is in my opinion the worst drug and theres no way to win the drug war of course.. but this is not the solution.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
    #8160521 - 03/18/08 02:08 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

comon dude, thats just more overplayed drama shit to get the masses to hate it... pure propaganda.

your telling me that a one time meth user who snorted .1 grams in a bump is going to have irreversible brain damage and stay up for weeks?

the problem is no education and the attitude toward drugs and lifestyle choice. a user could easily consume a small amount, rest for a day and be totally fine and not addicted.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
    #8160524 - 03/18/08 02:09 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I have a shit-tonne of experience with meth. I agree with the OP when he says

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You just don't get it. Meth is our "bath-tub gin". Just like in prohibition days when alcohol was illegal. People resorted to making a toxic brew in their bathtubs. They called it bathtub gin, and it killed many people. Just like meth is today.

The solution is to legalize ALL drugs and put the distribution of these man made chemicals in the hands of Dr's.

Meth can be our "sounding board" to get peoples attention.

Who wants this dangerous drug (meth) to get into the hands of their children? There is nothing to stop it, people are cooking up meth all over the place.

If there were a legal alternative, then these meth cookers would be out of business.




If its legal it will make things better. Safer forms of the drug could be made and education on its effects and usage could be given. This would mean less overdose cases and less cases of people having brain damage and other health problems from misuse. If people want to fuck themselves up on meth I think they should have the right to do that. Who is the government to dictate what you can and cannot do to your own body/mind? Prohibition has never worked and only makes situations worse by putting power and money into the hands of organized criminals and demonizng those who want to use the product.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8160537 - 03/18/08 02:15 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

No thats not what im saying. and no its not propaganda. Most people don't just use meth once... i'm from california and it's gotten pretty bad with meth down here.. when theres a big supply most people don't just do .1 and stop, and most people i know don't snort it either. smoking it or IV use is WAY stronger and most people i know use it that way. you're right though people could use a little, stop, rest for a day and be fine. but i don't know anyone who used meth once like that. all im saying is legalization is a very bad idea. you don't sound like you have any experience in using this drug.. meth isn't one of those drugs you snort a little line and never do it again. who would snort it anyway knowing its effects if you smoke or inject it?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Coaster]
    #8160541 - 03/18/08 02:17 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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Quote:

Pimpz0r said:
you mean Desoxyn?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desoxyn



u beat me to it
those other drugs he mentioned were amphetamines not methamphetamines




true. also you'll still need a prescription for those I do believe. Ritalin is closer related to speed is it not? Not meth.
Ive taken Ritalin too, and it made me speeeeddyyy and very difficult to sleep for the next 48 hours or so.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8160553 - 03/18/08 02:22 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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I have a shit-tonne of experience with meth. I agree with the OP when he says

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You just don't get it. Meth is our "bath-tub gin". Just like in prohibition days when alcohol was illegal. People resorted to making a toxic brew in their bathtubs. They called it bathtub gin, and it killed many people. Just like meth is today.

The solution is to legalize ALL drugs and put the distribution of these man made chemicals in the hands of Dr's.

Meth can be our "sounding board" to get peoples attention.

Who wants this dangerous drug (meth) to get into the hands of their children? There is nothing to stop it, people are cooking up meth all over the place.

If there were a legal alternative, then these meth cookers would be out of business.




If its legal it will make things better. Safer forms of the drug could be made and information on how to use it could be given meaning less overdose cases and less cases of people having brain damage, etc. If people want to fuck themselves up on meth I think they should have the right to do that. Who is the government to dictate what you can and cannot do to your own body/mind? Prohibition has never worked and only makes situations worse by putting power and money into the hands of organized criminals.




Ok i definately agree when you talk about prohibition not working and neither is making drugs illegal. of course the government is never going to win the drug war. billions of dollars are wasted every year on the drug war, and its all going to waste yeah but legalizing it i dont think is the solution. legalizing it would put the people making and supplying the drug out of the picture yeah that would be a good effect of legalization... the legalization of drugs is all too complicated i think, i dont think any drug is going to be legalized in this country ever, atleast not in our lifetime... not even marijuana. I live in california where medical marijuana is in effect, i actually have my medical marijuana license. so marijuana is pretty much legal where i live, i can go to a dispensary, which is basically a little shop where i have a choice of so many different strains, edibles, clones, its ridiculous. but still, thats marijuana, meth is totally a different ball game here. meth is a hard drug that has serious effects on the body...


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
    #8160561 - 03/18/08 02:27 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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meth is a hard drug that has serious effects on the body...




All the more reason to legalize and regulate it.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8160602 - 03/18/08 02:47 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

It would make sense if the government COULD regulate it and legalize a safer form of meth, yeah. if its possible that would make perfect sense...


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    #8160608 - 03/18/08 02:50 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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false. thats some of that hollywood played up drama shit. i've never used meth, but i've sure been around enough of them. some are very intelligent coherent people. you know how amphetamines are used for studying and concentration? thats basically what meth is like, except more potent. many people will find that it's easier to stimulate conversation or solve problems or whatever because of the amount of pure energy it releases, which is why it's so addictive. also i'm not promoting the shit, as it's not natural to be twacked out 24/7.

ps. also just saying that it does have it's uses, the problem lies with the users, not the drugs.




False? Okay...:confused:

And I understand your points about how can be used to concetrate and whatnot, but that's generally in pretty low doses. I'm going to hazard a guess that most people who use it a lot use it otherwise. Ever seen someone tweaked out? They can't concentrate for shit. It can be pretty sad to watch.:shrug:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: wildchild68]
    #8160611 - 03/18/08 02:52 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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False? Okay...:confused:

And I understand your points about how can be used to concetrate and whatnot, but that's generally in pretty low doses. I'm going to hazard a guess that most people who use it a lot use it otherwise. Ever seen someone tweaked out? They can't concentrate for shit. It can be pretty sad to watch.:shrug:




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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
    #8160780 - 03/18/08 05:43 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

People have the right to put whatever they want in their bodies.

You are not your brother's keeper and have no right to determine what they should do to themselves. This exact line of thinking is what created the war on drugs.

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    #8160783 - 03/18/08 05:44 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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It would make sense if the government COULD regulate it and legalize a safer form of meth, yeah. if its possible that would make perfect sense...




I take some of that back. No need to regulate it just legalize. The market regulates itself.


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    #8160790 - 03/18/08 05:46 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

He knows that already Redstorm. I schooled his ass earlier in the thread. :wink:


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    #8160797 - 03/18/08 05:55 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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But only because whiney little crybabies and soccermoms buy into the health and safety of the people argument the government dishes out to the morons.






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    #8160814 - 03/18/08 06:10 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

WTF i never said i was.. i just dont think legalizing meth would be the solution to the problem wtf is your guys problem? you guys take it the wrong way.


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    #8160817 - 03/18/08 06:13 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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WTF i never said i was.. i just dont think legalizing meth would be the solution to the problem wtf is your guys problem? you guys take it the wrong way.




What 'solution' do you propose? Its really simple, either you're for legalization or you're for government controls.


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    #8160823 - 03/18/08 06:16 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Take your DARE garbage where it belongs, the dump of the internet abovetheinfluence.com

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It would make sense if the government COULD regulate it and legalize a safer form of meth, yeah. if its possible that would make perfect sense...



Stop being a soccermom and grow a pair ok.

And yea, I realize drugs will never be legalized in my lifetime, and drug users will continue to be imprisoned because the government exerts ownership of US citizens bodies.

But only because whiney little crybabies and soccermoms buy into the health and safety of the people argument the government dishes out to the morons.






Dude wtf? You don't even understand what im trying to say... this topic is about the solution to the "meth problem" or whatever you want to call it, and the person who started the topic said the solution would be to legalize the drug. i said in my opinion that would be the stupidest idea and a very very bad idea. and actually for your information i have been incarcerated for drugs. not that that really matters but you obviously didn't read closely, i said LEGALIZING METH IS NOT THE ANSWER TO THE PROBLEM.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
    #8160833 - 03/18/08 06:25 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Ok you obviously don't read very well Bradmassive. I said i'm not for the legalization of meth, but someone mentioned earlier maybe creating a safer form of it and regulating it would be an idea. i can't believe you guys are for the legalization of this drug its really a bad drug... haven't you guys used the drug before? anyone who's used it enough wouldn't say its safe to be legal... trust me i've been to jail before for drugs... im all for the regulation of drugs and reform of laws of drugs.. but legalizing drugs like meth isn't the solution.. thats my OPINION so you guys can act mature and take your comments someplace else.


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    #8160834 - 03/18/08 06:25 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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It would make sense if the government COULD regulate it and legalize a safer form of meth, yeah. if its possible that would make perfect sense...



Stop being a soccermom and grow a pair ok.

And yea, I realize drugs will never be legalized in my lifetime, and drug users will continue to be imprisoned because the government exerts ownership of US citizens bodies.

But only because whiney little crybabies and soccermoms buy into the health and safety of the people argument the government dishes out to the morons.






Dude wtf? You don't even understand what im trying to say... this topic is about the solution to the "meth problem" or whatever you want to call it, and the person who started the topic said the solution would be to legalize the drug. i said in my opinion that would be the stupidest idea and a very very bad idea. and actually for your information i have been incarcerated for drugs. not that that really matters but you obviously didn't read closely, i said LEGALIZING METH IS NOT THE ANSWER TO THE PROBLEM.




Who cares if you were incarcerated for drugs and who cares about your opinion when you don't back it up with any solid argument? I don't.

Legalizing meth IS a step in the right direction towards dealing with the problem because meth addiction is a medical matter not a criminal one. Legalization takes the money and the power out of organized crime and puts it back where it belongs, in the hands of the people.

Everyone should have the right to do what they like with there own body/mind as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or breech anyone else's rights.

The government has NO right to intrude on civil liberties. They have an obligation to protect them.


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    #8160843 - 03/18/08 06:29 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Chemy,

If you havent used meth before then obviously you don't know one thing about the drug. i've used it pretty heavily in the past and it fucked my body , mind, everything in a matter of weeks. i've used pretty much every drug, and meth is one i hate and won't touch ever again. dude you need to stop acting like you know it all or whatever with your comments and stupid shit.. i said what my point was.


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    #8160853 - 03/18/08 06:31 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Ok i definately agree when you talk about prohibition not working and neither is making drugs illegal. of course the government is never going to win the drug war. billions of dollars are wasted every year on the drug war, and its all going to waste yeah but legalizing it i dont think is the solution. legalizing it would put the people making and supplying the drug out of the picture yeah that would be a good effect of legalization... the legalization of drugs is all too complicated i think





Can't you read? I posted this like 10 posts ago. I ONLY SAID I DONT AGREE WITH THE LEGALIZATION OF METH WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND? Jesus christ


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    #8160864 - 03/18/08 06:36 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Ok you obviously don't read very well Bradmassive. I said i'm not for the legalization of meth, but someone mentioned earlier maybe creating a safer form of it and regulating it would be an idea. i can't believe you guys are for the legalization of this drug its really a bad drug... haven't you guys used the drug before? anyone who's used it enough wouldn't say its safe to be legal... trust me i've been to jail before for drugs... im all for the regulation of drugs and reform of laws of drugs.. but legalizing drugs like meth isn't the solution.. thats my OPINION so you guys can act mature and take your comments someplace else.




Government control over any substance is not the answer however 'harmful' the drug is. Do us all a favor an do some harm analysis on tobacco and alcohol. You've shared your opinion but you haven't backed it up with any solid argument, so why should anyone listen to you?

So what if you've used meth before, thats not a supporting argument dude. Get a clue.



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    #8160868 - 03/18/08 06:38 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Whatever guys i'm over trying to get through to you. I tried to be reasonable but when you try to act too smart and start talking shit i'm over it.


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    #8160877 - 03/18/08 06:41 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Whatever guys i'm over trying to get through to you.  I tried to be reasonable but when you try to act too smart and start talking shit i'm over it.




Have a logical argument next time instead of 'I did meth and this is my opinion'. :blah:


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    #8160900 - 03/18/08 06:54 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

> i've used it pretty heavily in the past and it fucked my body , mind, everything in a matter of weeks.

There is a difference between use and abuse. You abused meth if you damaged yourself in a matter of weeks. I used meth for over a year, maybe one weekend every other month, and did no (known) long term damage to myself. Responsible use is key with any mind altering substance.

> Its really simple, either you're for legalization or you're for government controls.

Actually, I am for both. The only types of drugs that the government should control are things like antibiotics where improper usage can cause pathogens to become drug resistant. Beyond that, let people put into their body what they wish.

> but legalizing drugs like meth isn't the solution

I disagree. Legalizing drugs like meth is the only solution. Sure, there will be a few problems. Nothing Darwin can't solve. However, the benefits to society as a whole far outweigh the losses from a few people that cannot control their habits. People that want illegal drugs, such as meth, are going to get it regardless of what the law states. What is the harm in letting them have what they want? More importantly, who am I to tell you what you can or cannot do with your own body?

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    #8160906 - 03/18/08 06:59 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Actually, I am for both. The only types of drugs that the government should control are things like antibiotics where improper usage can cause pathogens to become drug resistant. Beyond that, let people put into their body what they wish.






Why can't the medical professionals be solely responsible for that?


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    #8160909 - 03/18/08 07:00 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I am all about legalizing natural drugs that are not addictive. BUT, i have done meth. The only thing that went wrong when i was on it was i stayed up a really long time. I stopped taking it when i realized i was taking it to much, and that it could harm me. Should it be illegal? No. Nothing should.

I do agree that the world could end up being a fucked up place if people were allowed to take these drugs legally, because you know people wouldn't be afraid to go out in public high as hell. They would see no reason not to do a line and go drive to their buddies house.

Most people on this forum are pretty right minded, but i know some stupid redneck idiots that would cause death and destruction if they could walk around high all the time. How could you limit a user using outside of their homes? Drug testing couldn't prove anything. If it was legal, then it wouldn't be illegal to have it in your system.

I do believe that the government should have no right to tell us what we can and can't use as recreation, but what would be a possible alternative to keep people from harming themselves while using drugs freely? Should anything be in place? What are some options? I'm not talking about doing what the gov is doing, I'm talking about seriously helping people control their appetites.

For gods sakes, people can't even be givin free reign over what they eat half the time. When they get fat as fuck, they just blame the fast food industry. I have noticed a more effort into being healthy in the last few years, but there are people that CAN NOT control themselves. What could society do as a alternative to jailing drug abusers? What about the abusers that don't want to quit? Let them kill themselves and possibly others around them in their recklessness? Please, come up with a decent program that helps, not restricts your god giving rights.


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> Why can't the medical professionals be solely responsible for that?

Why can't I be soley responsible for that? Why do I have to spend $500 talking to a 'medical professional' to get a $20 prescription for something I could whip up in the lab, were it not illegal? And perhaps most importantly, who are you to tell me what I can or cannot put into my own body?


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> Why can't the medical professionals be solely responsible for that?

Why can't I be soley responsible for that?  Why do I have to spend $500 talking to a 'medical professional' to get a $20 prescription for something I could whip up in the lab, were it not illegal?  And perhaps most importantly, who are you to tell me what I can or cannot put into my own body?




:what:

When I say 'medical professional' I mean doctors and pharmacists who are edcuated to know about anti-biotics.  I was questioning why you think the 'government' should control 'anti-biotics' (like you said they should) or any drug at all. You said you were for both legalization & government controls. I was questioning that.

Read what I said so far in this thread. I've been on the legalization and civil liberties side of this argument the whole way through dude.


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    #8160941 - 03/18/08 07:16 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Chemy what you suggest is purely destructive. If the government makes everything legal with nothing in place to help users, alot of people would die. I'm not sure what could be done, but free reign is dangerous. Is their anything that we could do as a society to be helpful to people that choose to do drugs? Don't be a idiot and say that people should be allowed to kill others in their stupidity.

*I am agreeing with you on one thing; Drugs should be legal. But how do we handle that in a safe way? Is their a safe way? Should some 6 year old get run down by some methed out idiot because you think that people should do whatever they want however they want? Fine, if so, then how do they use safely? Is their a safe way?


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    #8160950 - 03/18/08 07:22 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

> When I say 'medical professional' I mean doctors and pharmacists who are edcuated to know about anti-biotics.

Doh, I thought you meant all drugs, not just antibiotics (and other medications that can lead to drug-resistant pathogens). After re-reading our last few posts, I think we are both saying the same thing.

To be clear, I'm for full legalization of almost all drugs (and certainly all recreational drugs). In the few cases where improper usage of a drug could create a drug-resistant pathogen, I support very limited control/regulation by the government (such as exists now with prescriptions).

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8160953 - 03/18/08 07:23 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

One thing for sure - until legalization there is no way for scientists to even find a safer way.


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    #8160959 - 03/18/08 07:26 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Chemy you need to grow up. I thought i was talking to someone who was sane. Nevermind.


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    #8160960 - 03/18/08 07:27 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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> When I say 'medical professional' I mean doctors and pharmacists who are edcuated to know about anti-biotics.

Doh, I thought you meant all drugs, not just antibiotics (and other medications that can lead to drug-resistant pathogens). After re-reading our last few posts, I think we are both saying the same thing.

To be clear, I'm for full legalization of almost all drugs (and certainly all recreational drugs). In the few cases where improper usage of a drug could create a drug-resistant pathogen, I support very limited control/regulation by the government (such as exists now with prescriptions).

Sorry for the confusion.




No problem dude. Back to my question though. Why cant the medical professionals fully handle the anti-biotics on their own? Do they really need a babysitter?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8160978 - 03/18/08 07:35 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Chemy you need to grow up. I thought i was talking to someone who was sane. Nevermind.




Wow i wasn't the only one thinking that.  Guess if two people are thinking the same thing... well... :rolleyes:


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    #8160981 - 03/18/08 07:37 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

> Why cant the medical professionals fully handle the anti-biotics on their own? Do they really need a babysitter?

Very good point. In these very limited cases, I don't care where the regulation comes from... getting the government completely out of the process (other than setting standards for quality) would probably be for the best. (In the majority of the cases, there should be no regulation from the government or the industry.)


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    #8160988 - 03/18/08 07:41 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Chemy you are basically saying to let some drug crazed fucking idiots drive around on the streets killing 10 time the amount of people that die in car accidents now. You are suggesting that the government allow Americans to kill other Americans. If i saw some fucked up person driving past my house with my 6 year old son playing in the front yard, i would pull him out of his car and beat the piss out of him. I would then call the cops for endangerment and recklessness behind the wheel.

Obviously you don't have kids, therefore you have no grounds to say that people should be able to kill others. you are saying that it should be fine to kill my son. go fuck yourself if you really think like that. I'm done being nice.


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    #8160992 - 03/18/08 07:42 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

It's not that i couldn't keep up I just couldn't deal with the immature comments, i never started talking shit, i was discussing the topic without offending anyone, and you came in and started talking shit and basically being an asshole.  I dont understand why you can't just be mature about it and stop talking like you are?  You think you're too smart or something, having an attitude like you do.  Whatever, you know everything bradmassive and are too tough for me with your GTFOs and STFUs.. :thumbup:


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    #8160993 - 03/18/08 07:43 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Bubblewrap the world, protect everyone from harm.

Little bunny rabbits will hop across meadows, nobody will ever die and everyone will be happy thanks to Government controls




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    #8161001 - 03/18/08 07:46 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Wow i wasn't the only one thinking that.  Guess if two people are thinking the same thing... well... :rolleyes:



And you 2 need to get a room

Sheltered people are so funny.........




... WTF?  Can i ask how old you are?  Honestly... you make comments like this that just blow my mind... And you call me sheltered?  Where are you from ?  I'm definately not sheltered you have no idea who i am, where im from, nothing about me and you call me sheltered... this is so stupid its ridiculous.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8161003 - 03/18/08 07:47 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Most people on this forum are pretty right minded, but i know some stupid redneck idiots that would cause death and destruction if they could walk around high all the time.
>Don't they do that now??? YES

How could you limit a user using outside of their homes?
Hire a babysitter

Drug testing couldn't prove anything. If it was legal, then it wouldn't be illegal to have it in your system.
Hire a babysitter

I do believe that the government should have no right to tell us what we can and can't use as recreation, but what would be a possible alternative to keep people from harming themselves while using drugs freely?

Should anything be in place?Hire a Babysitter

What are some options?Hire a Babysitter

I'm not talking about doing what the gov is doing, I'm talking about seriously helping people control their appetites. Hire a Babysitter

For gods sakes, people can't even be givin free reign over what they eat half the time. When they get fat as fuck, they just blame the fast food industry.

Thats what the government wants, whiney crybaby fat lazy republicans I have noticed a more effort into being healthy in the last few years, but there are people that CAN NOT control themselves.
Let them live and die, who cares

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What could society do as a alternative to jailing drug abusers? What about the abusers that don't want to quit? Let them kill themselves and possibly others around them in their recklessness?
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8161014 - 03/18/08 07:49 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Your answer to people killing people is WHO CARES.

You said right there in my post above, that people should kill themselfs AND the people around them.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
    #8161022 - 03/18/08 07:53 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I wouldn't say a thing if you backed up your opinions with an argument. Over and over again you just posted the same opinion that pissed me off. I don't know what to tell you. I asked and wanted to hear what you had to say and what your solution would be. You just did'nt offer anything but your emotion and bias to the thread. :shrug:

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    #8161038 - 03/18/08 08:00 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Ok i know its not the same drug, but i remember watching this program on heroin and it showed addicts sitting on the streets, robbing, selling their bodies, basically all the grim sides to drug abuse.

Then they showed a woman who had moved on from all that, still uses heroin, but owns and runs her own business. She has become quite sucessful and has a normal life.

This was all made possible because she can get FREE heroin from the NHS. She has said since she has a ready supply she no longer craves it. Half of the addiction was down to her not knowing where her next hit would come from or where she would get the money.

Now all she has to do is pop to her chemist and she can get it on prescription. Slowly she is coming off it. She did try methadone, but found it wasn't enough and would always turn back to heroin.

Not saying this would work for everyone, but i do agree that if u cant get something you want it more.

If i'm honest i believe legalisation of everything will INITIALLY cause a lot of problems. You open the door to a sweet shop and tell a kid to take what he wants and he will go mad and gorge himself. Eventually though people would get over the "fad" of taking these once illegal drugs. People will either get bored, wont think its as cool, and eventually it will level off or decline.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8161053 - 03/18/08 08:05 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Your answer to people killing people is WHO CARES.

You said right there in my post above, that people should kill themselves AND the people around them.



Even if prohibition ended, DUI/DWI should still be illegal, whether it's alcohol or meth or crack or weed.

People are doing meth right now, can you believe it?
Are they killing your children? Are they driving 100mph and killing elementary schools full of children?




No they are not that often. But if it was legal and more people do it with nothing in place to besides making it illegal, then many more accidents would occur. Many people would OD. the reason it isn't a rampid problem, is because it is illegal. People are doing it in their homes more often then not. Are you saying people wouldn't do it in public and endanger others at all if it was legal? Who would stop them? What would stop them? there would be nothing in place to keep people from killing others, even by accident.

And yes, i know there are people that are killed in accidents everyday. Some are sober, some are drunk, some are stoned, some are tweaking. But it would elevate the problem if there was nothing stopping people from doing things they think they have under control themselves but do not.

I was saying that something should be in place. If not the government then doctors? If not doctors then what? You come up with something that doesn't endanger others lives, then i will be cool with it. I don't believe in prohibition. But i think that some laws are good, and some people are idiots. what do we do to protect others from others when they are fucked up? Is there any kind of program that should be in place? Is there some sort of way to legalize everything without people being tards and fucking up others lives with their drug problems? I have no problem with drugs. Just the people who used them and cant control themselves.


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    #8161070 - 03/18/08 08:15 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I agree and i have no idea either. I am all for legalizing everything. Prohibition is unconstitutional, but there would really need to be harsh laws set against people endangering others with their activities. Especially when driving.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8161083 - 03/18/08 08:18 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I just want to say this thread has got me thinking.

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    #8161086 - 03/18/08 08:19 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Wow i wasn't the only one thinking that.  Guess if two people are thinking the same thing... well... :rolleyes:



And you 2 need to get a room

Sheltered people are so funny.........




... WTF?  Can i ask how old you are?  Honestly... you make comments like this that just blow my mind... And you call me sheltered?  Where are you from ?  I'm definately not sheltered you have no idea who i am, where im from, nothing about me and you call me sheltered... this is so stupid its ridiculous.



Whenever I read someones pro-prohibition statements, I imagine the person on the other side is a soccer mom, wearing a sweater standing next to a minivan throwing her hands up into her face and screaming: OH MY GOD TEH CHILDREN

Bad habit I have




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    #8161114 - 03/18/08 08:34 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Umm i'm sorry but thats a stupid idea.. meth is the worst drug in my opinion.  Legalizing it would be so disastrous i dont want to think about it.... very very bad idea.  I have seen many friends go completely nuts while using meth.  Please think your posts through this was so stupid i'm sorry  but this is just retarted. :thumbdown:




You sir are a hypocrite too.

The meth that is so dangerous will dissappear once drugs are legalized.

If people can get a safe version of this upper they will. I'm positive 90% of the people doing meth today want a better option.

Legalization is that other option. Weather you want to see it or not.

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    #8161119 - 03/18/08 08:37 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I agree with you 100% good sir. Legalize that shit. In fact, legalize every drug.

But yeah, like you already pointed out... meth is already legal... and we give it to 6 year old kids.. as long as it's pfizer making and selling it.


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    #8161139 - 03/18/08 08:42 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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....you're right though people could use a little, stop, rest for a day and be fine. but i don't know anyone who used meth once like that. all im saying is legalization is a very bad idea. you don't sound like you have any experience in using this drug.. meth isn't one of those drugs you snort a little line and never do it again. who would snort it anyway knowing its effects if you smoke or inject it?




You truly are ignorant of some basic facts.

1. Not all met users are addicted.......fact

2. Legalization will get the street version (the dangerous version) off the streets.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
    #8161162 - 03/18/08 08:49 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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It would make sense if the government COULD regulate it and legalize a safer form of meth, yeah. if its possible that would make perfect sense...




The government regulates cigarettes and alcohol pretty well. The same could be done for all drugs....even meth. There is a legal version called Desoxyn that has been around for years.


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    #8161181 - 03/18/08 08:53 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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False? Okay...:confused:

And I understand your points about how can be used to concetrate and whatnot, but that's generally in pretty low doses. I'm going to hazard a guess that most people who use it a lot use it otherwise. Ever seen someone tweaked out? They can't concentrate for shit. It can be pretty sad to watch.:shrug:




Agreed.




Again a problem that could be easily solved by legalization. Most of the people you see "tweeked out" are on too much meth. Having a regulated dosing scale would eliminate that problem.


And, many people who habitually use meth are probably ADD/ADHD and actually need meth in order to function properly. A properly prescribed meth will solve ALL the negative aspects of meth use.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
    #8161267 - 03/18/08 09:15 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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If you havent used meth before then obviously you don't know one thing about the drug.  i've used it pretty heavily in the past and it fucked my body , mind, everything in a matter of weeks.  i've used pretty much every drug, and meth is one i hate and won't touch ever again.  dude you need to stop acting like you know it all or whatever with your comments and stupid shit.. i said what my point was.




:imslow:

Have you ever tried Desoxyn?

No.

All you have ever tried is a STREET POISON. No wonder you fucked you're body and mind up. The street version of meth is made up of several things you would not put in your body under a normal circumstance.

True pharmacudicialy (sp) produced meth......is safe for the human body to consume.

FACT


Weather you like it or not. The only real solution to the meth problem is LEGALIZATION.

It will get the poisonous street version out of America.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161281 - 03/18/08 09:21 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Well done good Sir. You :owned: narkotik with the facts. :awesome:


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    #8161321 - 03/18/08 09:32 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8161347 - 03/18/08 09:39 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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I am all about legalizing natural drugs that are not addictive.




Quick fact.....ALL drugs are addictive. If a person can be addicted to sex or food, then they can be addicted to weed or shrooms.

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BUT, i have done meth.




No you did a street version of Desoxyn. You were given a fake drug.


BTW.....I have done meth too. So that "I have done meth argument" doesn't stand.

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The only thing that went wrong when i was on it was i stayed up a really long time. I stopped taking it when i realized i was taking it to much, and that it could harm me. Should it be illegal? No. Nothing should.




Starting to sound like a hypocrite now.

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I do agree that the world could end up being a fucked up place if people were allowed to take these drugs legally, because you know people wouldn't be afraid to go out in public high as hell. They would see no reason not to do a line and go drive to their buddies house.




Ever gotten in trouble for public intox?

The same rules would apply for all recreational drugs. Keep them at home, don't be caught driving under the influence and don't be caught high in public.

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Most people on this forum are pretty right minded, but i know some stupid redneck idiots that would cause death and destruction if they could walk around high all the time. How could you limit a user using outside of their homes? Drug testing couldn't prove anything. If it was legal, then it wouldn't be illegal to have it in your system.




We have this very problem now w/alcohol. Should we make alcohol illegal?

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I do believe that the government should have no right to tell us what we can and can't use as recreation, but what would be a possible alternative to keep people from harming themselves while using drugs freely?




LEGALIZE THEM :imslow:

Put restrictions similar to those on tobacco and alcohol.

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For gods sakes, people can't even be givin free reign over what they eat half the time. When they get fat as fuck, they just blame the fast food industry. I have noticed a more effort into being healthy in the last few years, but there are people that CAN NOT control themselves. What could society do as a alternative to jailing drug abusers? What about the abusers that don't want to quit? Let them kill themselves and possibly others around them in their recklessness? Please, come up with a decent program that helps, not restricts your god giving rights.




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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161368 - 03/18/08 09:43 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8161376 - 03/18/08 09:44 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Chemy what you suggest is purely destructive. If the government makes everything legal with nothing in place to help users, alot of people would die. I'm not sure what could be done, but free reign is dangerous. Is their anything that we could do as a society to be helpful to people that choose to do drugs? Don't be a idiot and say that people should be allowed to kill others in their stupidity.

*I am agreeing with you on one thing; Drugs should be legal. But how do we handle that in a safe way? Is their a safe way? Should some 6 year old get run down by some methed out idiot because you think that people should do whatever they want however they want? Fine, if so, then how do they use safely? Is their a safe way? 




Where the fuck do you get off thinking that there's gonna be ANARCHY if drugs are legalized. Of course there are going to be restrictions to their use.....just like with alcohol today.

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161381 - 03/18/08 09:47 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

You could make it legal. But I'm saying that alot of people would be giant fuck ups about it. When i said i have taken meth before, then realized i was overdoing it so i stopped, how the hell does that make me a hypocrite?

I'm with you, legalize it. No need to get all touchy.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8161402 - 03/18/08 09:50 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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That situation is similar to a crack or meth addict, either they wake the hell up and stop smoking crack or meth, or they die.
That's their choice I'm not going to sit here and cry because they can't control themselves.




Some of the people that abuse meth have a mental condition that causes their body to need that upper. They are sick (ADD & ADHD) and haven't sought the right help (probably don't know they are sick).

So, please don't demonize people you have never met.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161411 - 03/18/08 09:54 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

This is the problem with the whole prohibition propaganda. It demonizes the users and the chemicals.  :nonono:

The real demon is prohibition ITSELF.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8161426 - 03/18/08 09:57 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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No they are not that often. But if it was legal and more people do it with nothing in place to besides making it illegal, then many more accidents would occur. Many people would OD. the reason it isn't a rampid problem, is because it is illegal. People are doing it in their homes more often then not. Are you saying people wouldn't do it in public and endanger others at all if it was legal? Who would stop them? What would stop them? there would be nothing in place to keep people from killing others, even by accident.

And yes, i know there are people that are killed in accidents everyday. Some are sober, some are drunk, some are stoned, some are tweaking. But it would elevate the problem if there was nothing stopping people from doing things they think they have under control themselves but do not.

I was saying that something should be in place. If not the government then doctors? If not doctors then what? You come up with something that doesn't endanger others lives, then i will be cool with it. I don't believe in prohibition. But i think that some laws are good, and some people are idiots. what do we do to protect others from others when they are fucked up? Is there any kind of program that should be in place? Is there some sort of way to legalize everything without people being tards and fucking up others lives with their drug problems? I have no problem with drugs. Just the people who used them and cant control themselves.




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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8161475 - 03/18/08 10:07 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Chemy said...

That situation is similar to a crack or meth addict, either they wake the hell up and stop smoking crack or meth, or they die.
That's their choice I'm not going to sit here and cry because they can't control themselves.


You made it sound like these people have some kind of control over there meth use. Although some, in fact do have control, many don't.....because of the ADD/ADHD thang.

Legalizing it would help ID those people with ADD/ADHD

Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.....:sorry:


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    #8161499 - 03/18/08 10:13 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

i fancy a nice 72 hour binge...

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161501 - 03/18/08 10:14 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Tell me then. I never said i know all the answers, i just have my opinions. Change my opinion then. What would happen if it was all legal and people policed themselfs? I wouldn't trust my mother with a unregulated supply of her pain killers. She would be retarded within a month. But then she is addicted to everything she has ever tried.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161538 - 03/18/08 10:21 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Meth is some fucked up shit and I'm sorry but even prescription desoxyn is harmful to the body and addictive. Less addictive then street meth due to oral consumption however that does not in any way make it SAFE for human consumption. Also knowing human beings people would prolly just crush up the pill like oxycontin and take it IV.

# fatal kidney and lung disorders
# possible brain damage
# permanent psychological problems
# lowered resistance to illnesses
# liver damage
# stroke

Sorry, not safe and don't give me that street meth bullshit. Using your analogy to bath tub gin I will agree street meth has a higher probability of increased harm. However much like professionally made alcohol it is not without it's harms and dangers to the body and mind.

That said I agree. Legalize. I know for sure I'm not gonna rush out and try meth once it's legal and I could care less about the people who do.

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8161589 - 03/18/08 10:31 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Tell me then. I never said i know all the answers, i just have my opinions. Change my opinion then. What would happen if it was all legal and people policed themselfs?




People have to police themselves with drugs now. Putting reasonable restrictions on the public use of drugs (just like alcohol) would be one solution to your anarchy theory.

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I wouldn't trust my mother with a unregulated supply of her pain killers. She would be retarded within a month. But then she is addicted to everything she has ever tried.




When did I say drugs would be un-regulated?

Every legal drug has regulations involving its use.

Why would it be any different if meth were legal?


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    #8161638 - 03/18/08 10:41 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Meth is some fucked up shit and I'm sorry but even prescription desoxyn is harmful to the body and addictive.




So is tobacco and alcohol. Your point is?

Inform the public of the dangers of a drug and let them be the deciding factor weather or not they want to use a drug.

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Less addictive then street meth due to oral consumption[/url] however that does not in any way make it SAFE for human consumption.




Is tobacco safe for human consumption, how about McDonald's?

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Also knowing human beings people would prolly just crush up the pill like oxycontin and take it IV.




Sell it in powder form so the user can take it any way he/she wants. 

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# fatal kidney and lung disorders
# possible brain damage
# permanent psychological problems
# lowered resistance to illnesses
# liver damage
# stroke




:yawn: I could look up the dangerous side effects of alcohol and tobacco too, but I won't waste your time.

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Sorry, not safe and don't give me that street meth bullshit.  Using your analogy to bath tub gin I will agree street meth has a higher probability of increased harm.  However much like professionally made alcohol it is not without it's harms and dangers to the body and mind.





Your first sentence and your second one seem to clash to me.

ALL drugs are harmful to the human body in some shape form or fashion. 

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That said I agree.  Legalize.  I know for sure I'm not gonna rush out and try meth once it's legal and I could care less about the people who do.




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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161753 - 03/18/08 11:04 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Just put regulations on it (e.g. taxes, age limits) then educate the public about the health risks, add in a bit of social disapproval and it's likely to not become very widespread.

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161918 - 03/18/08 11:39 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Meth is some fucked up shit and I'm sorry but even prescription desoxyn is harmful to the body and addictive.




So is tobacco and alcohol. Your point is?

Inform the public of the dangers of a drug and let them be the deciding factor weather or not they want to use a drug.

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Less addictive then street meth due to oral consumption[/url] however that does not in any way make it SAFE for human consumption.




Is tobacco safe for human consumption, how about McDonald's?

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Also knowing human beings people would prolly just crush up the pill like oxycontin and take it IV.




Sell it in powder form so the user can take it any way he/she wants. 

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# fatal kidney and lung disorders
# possible brain damage
# permanent psychological problems
# lowered resistance to illnesses
# liver damage
# stroke




:yawn: I could look up the dangerous side effects of alcohol and tobacco too, but I won't waste your time.

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Sorry, not safe and don't give me that street meth bullshit.  Using your analogy to bath tub gin I will agree street meth has a higher probability of increased harm.  However much like professionally made alcohol it is not without it's harms and dangers to the body and mind.





Your first sentence and your second one seem to clash to me.

ALL drugs are harmful to the human body in some shape form or fashion. 

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That said I agree.  Legalize.  I know for sure I'm not gonna rush out and try meth once it's legal and I could care less about the people who do.




:headbanger:




Why do you keep bringing up alcohol and tobacco?  No where did I mention the harmfulness of those substances.    Or McDonalds.  I was merely pointing out that in comparison to say marijuana or lsd meth is far removed from what can be considered safe to the body.

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    #8161975 - 03/18/08 11:57 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

So.

People are gonna use it, shouldn't they use the safest form possible?


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    #8161980 - 03/18/08 11:58 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Just like alcohol.


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    #8161984 - 03/18/08 11:59 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Bleh. I dont understand how some people dont get it. Illegal or not, people are gonna use it, and if they are, it would be best in a pure, standardized form. rock on niteowl!


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    #8161989 - 03/18/08 12:01 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161997 - 03/18/08 12:04 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I think whats holding governments back is that after drugs are legalized for a few years, kids grow up knowing its their for them to try out. Curiosity ALWAYS gets the better of you as a kid. So kids trying these things is not what we need. Legalized meth is the gayest thing since richard simmons.

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    #8162003 - 03/18/08 12:06 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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So.

People are gonna use it, shouldn't they use the safest form possible?




I think I covered that when I said it should be legal you big nut!  :kingcrankey:

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    #8162017 - 03/18/08 12:11 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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I think whats holding governments back is that after drugs are legalized for a few years, kids grow up knowing its their for them to try out. Curiosity ALWAYS gets the better of you as a kid. So kids trying these things is not what we need. Legalized meth is the gayest thing since richard simmons.




And you don't think outlawing it adds to the precious children's curiosity?

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    #8162021 - 03/18/08 12:13 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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I think whats holding governments back is that after drugs are legalized for a few years, kids grow up knowing its their for them to try out. Curiosity ALWAYS gets the better of you as a kid. So kids trying these things is not what we need. Legalized meth is the gayest thing since richard simmons.




And you don't think outlawing it adds to the precious children's curiosity?




Nope. But my views are based on my experiance. As a child growing up, I actually believed everything I was told. It was not until I decided to try drugs for myself did I realize how wrong they were. The shit they say actually affects some people.

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: todesengel]
    #8162098 - 03/18/08 12:36 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

So then pharm companies are ganna make even more money if people can buy it off the shelf. They should want everything to be off the shelf because they are going to make a fortune. To get it through your insurance cheaper, you would have to get a doctor to write a script for it prob anyways. Insurance companies are not going to support drug habits. The more pure script version of your "bathtub meth" will cost more than people pay for the drug now unless they go through insurance. So people will prob still continue to make "bathtub meth."

Would people be able to afford to keep up a heavy habit of whatever is your legal drug of choice? hmm prob not unless you make alot of money. It would put alot of the supposed terrorist funded drug lords out of business. I for one, would love to go get some of my favorite pills off the shelf. Imagine picking up a few rolls from the drug store lol. That would rock.

I don't ever see this happening tho. The U.S. gov loves to tell people what to do and how to act. They would be in fear of my original postings about the people that wouldn't or couldn't control themselves. I'm just rambling now. I do see your point of view now. I agree with you more now than what i originally was thinking. I will say you are more right than i am niteowl.

I guess all the idiots that wouldn't control themselves, are the same people that can't understand you don't drink and drive. I just thought that legalizing more things would bring out more idiots doing stupid things while under the influence. There might be more accidents and crimes on drugs, but the number of alcohol related accidents and crimes would go down possibly. It would most likely balance itself out. You are right. I applaud you sir. It takes alot to change my mind about something.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162183 - 03/18/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Not necessarily.

These are old drugs. It is likely the patents expired long ago. Big pharma wouldn't make very much. As far as insurance is concerned they already fund people's habits. Hydrocodone is the third most prescribed drug int he U.S. Xanax is number 4. I could be mistaken but I don't think a lot of people are paying out of pocket for these.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: todesengel]
    #8162188 - 03/18/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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I think whats holding governments back is that after drugs are legalized for a few years, kids grow up knowing its their for them to try out.




Only if their parents teach that to them. My parents taught me to stay away from alcohol and tobacco.........and it worked untill I was old enough to make my own mind up about these drugs.

The same thing will happen if/when meth is legalized.


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Curiosity ALWAYS gets the better of you as a kid. So kids trying these things is not what we need. Legalized meth is the gayest thing since richard simmons.




So your solution is to keep things the way they are.

Kids can get their hands on weed and meth easier than they can alcohol or tobacco because it is illegal.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162259 - 03/18/08 01:20 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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So then pharm companies are ganna make even more money if people can buy it off the shelf. They should want everything to be off the shelf because they are going to make a fortune.




never.....NEVER did I say these drugs would be available OTC.

You should really start reading others posts before you start your mouth back up.

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To get it through your insurance cheaper, you would have to get a doctor to write a script for it prob anyways. Insurance companies are not going to support drug habits. The more pure script version of your "bathtub meth" will cost more than people pay for the drug now unless they go through insurance. So people will prob still continue to make "bathtub meth."




Drug companies regularly support drug habits (klonipin, Xanax...there are others).

If you could get affordable legal meth wouldn't you do that rather than go to the street dealer and take a chance on harming yourself?

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Would people be able to afford to keep up a heavy habit of whatever is your legal drug of choice?




Since I see this as a health issue then no I don't see people becoming as addicted to these drugs as they are today with the drugs being unregulated. Anyone can go get an 8-ball and do the whole thing, all at once, and probably kill himself. This danger can be avoided if it was regulated.


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I do see your point of view now. I agree with you more now than what i originally was thinking. I will say you are more right than i am niteowl.

I guess all the idiots that wouldn't control themselves, are the same people that can't understand you don't drink and drive. I just thought that legalizing more things would bring out more idiots doing stupid things while under the influence. There might be more accidents and crimes on drugs, but the number of alcohol related accidents and crimes would go down possibly. It would most likely balance itself out. You are right. I applaud you sir. It takes alot to change my mind about something.




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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8162369 - 03/18/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

You are on a rampage today hu? I guess your intent on being right. So, yeah. My last post up there was to try to understand people, but you sir don't want to be understood. you want to tell people what is right. Your just as bad as the people making it illegal.
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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162469 - 03/18/08 02:25 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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You are on a rampage today hu? I guess your intent on being right. So, yeah. My last post up there was to try to understand people, but you sir don't want to be understood. you want to tell people what is right. Your just as bad as the people making it illegal.




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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8162475 - 03/18/08 02:27 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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I can't stand the people that think that any drug can't be purchased 24/7 right now.
And with legalization the drugs would be available 24/7 not like it is now, oh wait it would be exactly the same availability.

Except with legalization there would be USP grade drugs going into peoples bodies and not lye, iodine, muriatic acid, mercury, etc.




I'm quite partial to my daily dose of mercury, thankyouverymuch.  :snub:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8162476 - 03/18/08 02:27 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I agree with you. The only thing i was trying to say other than what you were saying, was that there needed to be something for people that can't control themselves. I guess getting arrested for doing stupid things would be a deterrent, but it wouldn't help the person until they did hurt themselves or others. I had no clue there was a program called the Baker act. I could see a program like that helping the people who can't deal with the option of taking whatever they wanted. that is the type of a program i was asking about. If all drugs are legal, then there needs to be something. The baker act is exactly the idea i was looking for.
I am more into natural drugs. I have always said that natural growing drugs should never be made illegal. If you can't OD off of it, what is the point in making it illegal other than killing peoples fun? Something that you can OD off of, or get out of control, needs a program like that one before people kill themselves. Even people who do natural non addictive drugs could benifit from a program like that. I dont mean that exact program for all situations. But something i am not comming up with could be thought of.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162488 - 03/18/08 02:30 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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I agree with you. The only thing i was trying to say other than what you were saying, was that there needed to be something for people that can't conrol themselfs. I guess getting arrested for doing stupid things would be a deterrent, but it wouldn't help the person until they did hurt themselfs or others. I had no clue there was a program called the Baker act. I could see a program like that helping the people who can't deal with the option of taking whatever they wanted. that is the type of a program i was asking about. If all drugs are illegal, then there needs to be somthing. The baker act is exactly the idea i was looking for.
I am more into natural drugs. I have always said that natural growing drugs should never be made illegal. If you can't OD off of it, what is the point in making it illegal other than killing peoples fun? Something that you can OD off of, or get out of control, needs a program like that one before people kill themselfs.




FFS, STUPID FUCKIN LIBERAL BULLSHIT!

!!!!GET RID OF THE F****ING GOVERNMENT BABYSITTING SAFETY NET. PEOPLE SHOULD BE FREE TO DO STUPID SHIT TO THEMSELVES AT THERE OWN GODDAMN DETRIMENT!!!!!


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8162497 - 03/18/08 02:32 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Im not talking about the government. The government would have nothing to do with it. The governemnt should have 0 say in it unless you do somthing illegal while on a drug. Just like public intox, or dwi. Settle down there lol.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162501 - 03/18/08 02:35 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Enlighten me, wtf are you saying then? :what:

Are you just farting in the wind?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162504 - 03/18/08 02:35 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Shit, i just took some hydrocodone. It wasn't scripted to me, but i love it. The doc gives me some to alleviate pain in my body from a horrible accident, but he didn't give me these. You must be hearing me all wrong or something. I agree with you on so many things, but you are not getting me.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162507 - 03/18/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Government programs are a option. I prefer that medical professionals deal with the problems of addiction and the law enforcement officers deal with people who harm other people.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162509 - 03/18/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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I agree with you. The only thing i was trying to say other than what you were saying, was that there needed to be something for people that can't control themselves. I guess getting arrested for doing stupid things would be a deterrent, but it wouldn't help the person until they did hurt themselves or others. I had no clue there was a program called the Baker act. I could see a program like that helping the people who can't deal with the option of taking whatever they wanted. that is the type of a program i was asking about. If all drugs are legal, then there needs to be something. The baker act is exactly the idea i was looking for.
I am more into natural drugs. I have always said that natural growing drugs should never be made illegal. If you can't OD off of it, what is the point in making it illegal other than killing peoples fun? Something that you can OD off of, or get out of control, needs a program like that one before people kill themselves. Even people who do natural non addictive drugs could benifit from a program like that. I dont mean that exact program for all situations. But something i am not comming up with could be thought of.




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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162517 - 03/18/08 02:39 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

BTW, forgive my ranting, I'm very drunk. :lol:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162539 - 03/18/08 02:47 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I don't know what can be done. Ok I'll try to come up with something off the wall to give a example as to what i am saying here:

You want to do drugs. Any drug that WAS illegal. The gov just made all drugs legal. You go to your doctor and tell him/her what you want to do, then he tells you how to be safe about it. then the doctor see's that you are fully informed as to what you are taking, then gives you a card stating you are fully aware you know what you are doing. Then, you can go buy the drugs knowing that you still need to be responsible about it. You go to your doctors for a checkup every 6 months or so, so the doc can check your health so YOU know you are fine. If you do something stupid like get caught doing heavy drugs while driving or something, then you get your card taken away for 6 months or so, then the doc scripts you for a certain drug if he feels you really need something specific.

The government has minimal if not nothing to do with it. I understand you think that everyone should have free reign with drugs, but some people can't control themselves and should not be trusted on their own with drugs. As for drugs that are not sold by drug stores, if you had a card, you would be able to carry whatever you wanted on you, then use whatever you wanted, because at least you have a medical doctors backing saying you know what you are doing.

This is not a exact plan. I'm just throwing something out there. I know what you are going to say about it. That no one should be telling you want you can and cant take. Well, for the safety of others, they do the same with alcohol. I am NOT saying this is what should be done. I am merely giving a example of something that could be done. I didn't want to come up with something myself, because i wouldn't find myself qualified to come up with something myself. This is only a example. I'm sure you will think this is totally stupid.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162546 - 03/18/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

That sounds like a very good idea. Leave it to the health care professionals to provide the service one on one with their patients. The downside I can see is that the government would be able to look up a persons record and see what drugs they are on. I don't like that idea.

Much better idea is just to have it totally legal. You can choose to get it from a local supplier, or straight form the pharmacist or you can confide in a doctor who can advise and regulate your use(for an extra cost).


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8162558 - 03/18/08 02:53 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

What would it matter at that point? They are legal in that situation.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162561 - 03/18/08 02:53 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Haha, I edited. :grin:


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    #8162568 - 03/18/08 02:56 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Lol, i see that now.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8162599 - 03/18/08 03:04 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

There will always be people who can't control themselves on and off drugs. There is nothing to do about that except try to help them (which is their friends/families responsibility) or put them in prison when they harm others.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
    #8162610 - 03/18/08 03:08 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Oh i totally agree with that.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8163216 - 03/18/08 05:27 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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2. Legalization will get the street version (the dangerous version) off the streets.




Hate to break it to you, but even pure drugs can be dangerous. From what I understand, most of the problems of meth have little to do with how it's made. I'm sure impurities add to negative health problems, but your missing out on the negative effects of the actual drug. Which are the real issue.


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    #8163414 - 03/18/08 06:14 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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niteowl said:

2. Legalization will get the street version (the dangerous version) off the streets.




Hate to break it to you, but even pure drugs can be dangerous. From what I understand, most of the problems of meth have little to do with how it's made. I'm sure impurities add to negative health problems, but your missing out on the negative effects of the actual drug. Which are the real issue.




Legalization or not it will still be harmful, just like alcohol. So whats your point oh wild one?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8163451 - 03/18/08 06:28 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Meth is evil..stupid street trash drug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: wildchild68]
    #8163474 - 03/18/08 06:33 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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2. Legalization will get the street version (the dangerous version) off the streets.




Hate to break it to you, but even pure drugs can be dangerous. From what I understand, most of the problems of meth have little to do with how it's made. I'm sure impurities add to negative health problems, but your missing out on the negative effects of the actual drug. Which are the real issue.




Does that mean the government have the right to make it a criminal offense to use it?


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    #8163535 - 03/18/08 06:49 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Listen, I never said anything about it needing to be kept illegal. If I did, kindly show me where. I'm simply making the point that while purity of a drug does make it healthier, some drugs can cause pretty serious health problems regardless.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: wildchild68]
    #8163559 - 03/18/08 06:54 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Listen, I never said anything about it needing to be kept illegal. If I did, kindly show me where. I'm simply making the point that while purity of a drug does make it healthier, some drugs can cause pretty serious health problems regardless.




Like alcohol and tobacoo for example?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Skunk420]
    #8164345 - 03/18/08 09:46 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Meth is evil..stupid street trash drug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Have you read any of my posts in this thread, or are you just replying to my first post?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8164435 - 03/18/08 09:59 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

It's just Skunk.

Nothing to see there, carry on.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8164521 - 03/18/08 10:16 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Theres no solution.




Yes there is.
You just don't want to see it.

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If you were to legalise meth, you'd have to legalise everything else.




Exactly my point.

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People are stupid and are not responsible enough to use these kinds of drugs, fact.




BullShit

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While I believe people should be allowed to choose whether they fuck up with drugs or not, the truth is most people WILL because most people are complete morons.




Hypocrite

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Nothing is as clear cut as right and wrong. Theres no solution, just get your drugs and take them. Enjoy them and you don't have to worry about legalisation as long as you have whatever it is that gets you high.




You just don't get it. Meth is our "bath-tub gin". Just like in prohibition days when alcohol was illegal. People resorted to making a toxic brew in their bathtubs. They called it bathtub gin, and it killed many people. Just like meth is today.

The solution is to legalize ALL drugs and put the distribution of these man made chemicals in the hands of Dr's.

Meth can be our "sounding board" to get peoples attention.

Who wants this dangerous drug (meth) to get into the hands of their children? There is nothing to stop it, people are cooking up meth all over the place.

If there were a legal alternative, then these meth cookers would be out of business.




i'd have to agree with mad larkin. you're "solution" is overly optimistic at best. delusional is more accurate. his statement sounds more realistic as far as what would really happen.

i used to think like you and believe that legalizing EVERYTHING was a good idea and would solve a lot of problems, but as i've gotten older and smarter i've realized it's really not that simple. i'm not saying certain drugs should be illegal, but honestly it's better that some of them are illegal.

also, that 'hypocrite' statement made no sense at all and was a little out of line imo. whatever though...you're the guy who thinks meth and ritalin are the same thing so i'm not surprised you don't know the definition of the word hypocrite.

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #8164573 - 03/18/08 10:29 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I called him a hypocrite for wanting "all drugs to be legal" yet meth should be illegal cause people cant handle it.

If you want true change then legalizing all drugs is the only viable option. Let all naturally grown "drugs" be completely legal. Letting people grow their drug of choice. Give the more harmful chemical drugs over to the health care system.

That will take the criminal element out of the drug trade. Putting money back into our health system, allowing the U.S. to have free health care. Which can be done if the war on drugs is put to a halt.

Yea I made a mistake on amphetamines and methamphetamines.......a small error which does not change the validity of my argument.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8164629 - 03/18/08 10:40 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Giving that power to the health care system would be kinda like ehh. Having the drugs stocked at drug stores me thinks would be a better alternative as the health care system is already pretty swamped. And quite honestly I don't trust them.

Im sure there'd be problems with doctors refusing patients because of their beliefs.

If there's no competition prices would be like 'script drugs are now...

I'm just fearful of putting it into the hands of the "man" again, ya know? But my main goal is to stop the criminal convictions so meh. just my opinion.


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    #8164705 - 03/18/08 10:54 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Giving that power to the health care system would be kinda like ehh. Having the drugs stocked at drug stores me thinks would be a better alternative as the health care system is already pretty swamped. And quite honestly I don't trust them.




If the war on drugs if abolished and drugs legalized. The tax from the sale of drugs can fund the health care system. Making it larger and more efficient. Dr's shouldn't refuse a person a recreational drug unless they have some underlying health issue that taking said drug could make worse.

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Im sure there'd be problems with doctors refusing patients because of their beliefs.




The all mighty dollar is what drives most Dr's. The more Rx they write the more kickbacks they get from pharmacutical companies.

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If there's no competition prices would be like 'script drugs are now...




Competition comes in the quality of drug you are looking for. Dr writes a Rx for cocaine. Person takes Rx to drug store and has the right to buy cocaine. Any price/quality cocaine available. Same with meth.

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I'm just fearful of putting it into the hands of the "man" again, ya know? But my main goal is to stop the criminal convictions so meh. just my opinion.




Some one has to be "in control". Right now the thugs are in control. I'd much rather see the medical field in control of hard drugs than the street thugs.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8164737 - 03/18/08 11:00 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Yeah you're talkin a lotta truth. I dunno. You're way is probably best.

You're idea could save a lotta lives, too. Huh - drugs saving lives. Whooda thunk?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8164930 - 03/18/08 11:52 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

have you really thought this through...why the hell would the health care system control drugs if they were legal? that makes no sense at all. they don't control alcohol or tobacco, and for good reason too. how does going to a doctor to get a prescription for a drug that serves no purpose but to get you high make a lick of sense? if drugs were legal they would obviously be sold in ABC/liquor store type places.



and as an example of how silly this 'legalize everything and we'll all be fine' scenario is, just take a look at the drug oxycontin. does the fact that oxycontin is legal mean that there is no crime or suffering surrounding it? NOOOO. in fact, oxycontin is thriving in the black market, it's abuse is through the roof, and OC related crime is off the charts as well. people rob pharmacies all the time just to steal oxycontin.

so, once again, this issue is no where near as simple as you're making it out to be. you must have no real intention of coming up with a solution for this problem if you foolishly convince yourself that it's so simple and that simply legalizing all drugs will solve most of the problems. you're just kidding yourself really.

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #8165280 - 03/19/08 01:50 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

You know, I actually agree to an extent. I use to think everything had to be legalized and I still do. I mean ultimately every person should have the right to put whatever they want into their bodies.

But it really is more complex than that.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #8165340 - 03/19/08 02:22 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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have you really thought this through...why the hell would the health care system control drugs if they were legal? that makes no sense at all. they don't control alcohol or tobacco, and for good reason too. how does going to a doctor to get a prescription for a drug that serves no purpose but to get you high make a lick of sense? if drugs were legal they would obviously be sold in ABC/liquor store type places.




Alcohol and tobacco have been around for thousands of years.

These new drugs have only been around for 50+ years. They have a greater chance of abuse. Having a Dr give a Rx for said drug allows a modicum of control. Can cut potential addicts off, and could generally do a better job of distributing these chemicals than the current thug society.



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and as an example of how silly this 'legalize everything and we'll all be fine' scenario is, just take a look at the drug oxycontin. does the fact that oxycontin is legal mean that there is no crime or suffering surrounding it? NOOOO. in fact, oxycontin is thriving in the black market, it's abuse is through the roof, and OC related crime is off the charts as well. people rob pharmacies all the time just to steal oxycontin.




Never did i claim that this solution would stop crime or the black market.


My biggest desire is to get meth off the streets, while trying to legalize all drugs in the process.

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so, once again, this issue is no where near as simple as you're making it out to be. you must have no real intention of coming up with a solution for this problem if you foolishly convince yourself that it's so simple and that simply legalizing all drugs will solve most of the problems. you're just kidding yourself really.




I don't see you coming up with any better ideas.

Keeping things "as they are" is not a solution to the meth problem.

What do you propose to solve this problem?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8165426 - 03/19/08 04:14 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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So in order to stop the rampant spread of "meth", legalize it and let the big companies make this drug, not some street thug who only cares about turning a profit.



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    #8165489 - 03/19/08 05:24 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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People have the right to put whatever they want in their bodies.

You are not your brother's keeper and have no right to determine what they should do to themselves. This exact line of thinking is what created the war on drugs.

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    #8165612 - 03/19/08 07:33 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

All this talk of robbing pharmacies made me think of this awesome old flick named Drug Store Cowboy.

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8165651 - 03/19/08 08:11 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

> What do you propose to solve this problem?

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    #8166546 - 03/19/08 01:10 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

The problem that I mentioned in the OP.

Getting the dangerous drug, meth off the streets, and replacing it with a legal, safer alternative.

I have yet to hear anyone offer up any decent ideas. Other than "meth is bad, mmmk, legalizing it would cause more problems than keeping it illegal" Whicn, IMO is rubbish.

AS it stands now ANYONE from the age of 14+ can get their hands on meth.

Legalizing it would greatly reduce the number of kids getting their hands on this "bathtub gin" of our generation.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8167233 - 03/19/08 03:20 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

let me make something perfectly clear for a couple of you guys who don't seem able to read between the lines. just because i don't agree with your opinions and theories about legalizing meth and other drugs, doesn't mean i do not support legalizing drugs. when i say "no, legalizing meth isn't a solution to 'the evils of meth'" that does not equate to "legalizing drugs is a bad idea! drugs are bad!". so please stop putting words in my mouth and making so many silly assumptions.

now niteowl, you were saying:

"Alcohol and tobacco have been around for thousands of years.

These new drugs have only been around for 50+ years. They have a greater chance of abuse. Having a Dr give a Rx for said drug allows a modicum of control. Can cut potential addicts off, and could generally do a better job of distributing these chemicals than the current thug society."


so marijuana and opiates haven't been around for thousands of years? how about cocaine and mushrooms? they were both invented 50 years ago? :tongue: all of those drugs have been used for centuries ( yes, even cocaine) but even if that wasn't the case, their potential for abuse is certainly no greater then alcohol's potential for abuse. i'd wager that if all drugs were legal, that alcohol would still be the most widely abused drug by a large margin.

but even assuming, for arguments sake, that these "newer" currently illegal drugs did have more potential for abuse, it is still pointless, and somewhat counterproductive, to legalize them and then require people to see a doctor and get a script for their DOC. you might as well leave them illegal if you're going to give the doctor the ability to deny whoever he pleases. also, you still haven't explained how it is a medical issue in any way whatsoever. it's not at all. recreational drugs have nothing to do with your doctor. that's why alcohol and tobacco aren't sold in pharmacies. if you think going to the doctor's office is a pain in the ass now just wait until every single stoner in the country has to go get a prescription to get stoned. :lol:

As far as doing a better job of distribution goes, i think that's pretty out of touch too, particularly if the drug in question is meth. do you honestly believe people will stop cooking and selling meth on their own if the government sells it in pharmacies? first of all, pharmacy drugs are diverted to the black market all the time, but nevermind that, because with meth it's a moot point. meth is one of the easiest and most profitable drugs to make and sell, so why would everyone making it just give up their livelihoods because (lol) the government wanted to tax people for it? unless the government sold meth for so incredibly cheap that the cookers couldn't compete (which would create a whole new set of addicts and problems all together) then cooks will just continue cooking and just lower their prices to compete. perhaps they'll sell to that whole "addicted to meth" crowd that you said doctors would have the power to reject for scripts. meth would still be sold on the streets if drugs were legalized. it's really just drugs like cocaine, heroin, acid, and marijuana that legalization would effect drastically, because those drugs (marijuana aside) are not easily grown and made into drugs. they come from across the world, whereas meth comes from trailer parks. so how legalizing it is going to be the solution for the 'evils of meth' is not really clear at all. it certainly won't solve the social problems meth creates. if anything, it will probably make the problems worse on all levels. the only difference would be that people selling/buying it don't get into as much trouble when they are caught, and the government would be making taxes from it's sale and usage.

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8167391 - 03/19/08 03:44 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

:rolleyes:


"Why are methadone clinics free from robberies?
Methadone is offered at a cheap price and anyone can get it."


methadone clinics get robbed all the time. that fact is a simple google search away. even though it's 'cheap and everyone can get it' and even though methadone clinics are like little fortresses compared to pharmacies, they still get robbed all the time.


"Why are pharmacies robbed of oxycontin?"

for the same reason methadone clinics get robbed i'd imagine. they are facilities that are known to always have a supply of opiates in stock.

i guess someone forgot to give the junkies the memo about how we all live in peaceful harmony when drugs are publicly available.


"That means that an armed robber has a choice, rob a bank for  $2,000-3,000 or rob a pharmacy for 30,000-50,000 worth of cash and pharmaceuticals, sell the drugs and make a fortune."

you've got that little figure you made up completely backwards. typically when someone robs a bank, taking only the registers, they usually get 15-30 g's. no one i've ever heard of goes into a pharmacy and walks out with 30-50 g's worth of "oxycontin and cash". Have you ever read any news articles about pharmacy robberies? usually the robbers go in, demand nothing but OC, take as much as they can carry/i], and run. for instance, on the news just two days ago they were talking about someone who's hit three pharmacies for oxy. they said he took 200-300 pills each time.

these guys aren't criminal masterminds after all. they're junkies robbing most likely out of desperation, and whether you like it or not, they're taking a drug that sits on a shelf in a store at the governments blessing. that's just the way it it.

did you really think bank robbers typically only make off with 2-3 g's? :lol:


Or, maybe some that rob pharmacies are addicts and can't get their oxycontin lately because Mr. DEA agent raided their source, now all his friends are dry and he needs OC's and money.

yeah maybe...or maybe they're just junkies addicted to pharmies who know there are a bunch of pills sitting at the drugstore...

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    #8167412 - 03/19/08 03:49 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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let me make something perfectly clear for a couple of you guys who don't seem able to read between the lines. just because i don't agree with your opinions and theories about legalizing meth and other drugs, doesn't mean i do not support legalizing drugs. when i say "no, legalizing meth isn't a solution to 'the evils of meth'" that does not equate to "legalizing drugs is a bad idea! drugs are bad!". so please stop putting words in my mouth and making so many silly assumptions.

now niteowl, you were saying:

"Alcohol and tobacco have been around for thousands of years.

These new drugs have only been around for 50+ years. They have a greater chance of abuse. Having a Dr give a Rx for said drug allows a modicum of control. Can cut potential addicts off, and could generally do a better job of distributing these chemicals than the current thug society."


so marijuana and opiates haven't been around for thousands of years? how about cocaine and mushrooms? they were both invented 50 years ago? :tongue: all of those drugs have been used for centuries ( yes, even cocaine) but even if that wasn't the case, their potential for abuse is certainly no greater then alcohol's potential for abuse. i'd wager that if all drugs were legal, that alcohol would still be the most widely abused drug by a large margin.

but even assuming, for arguments sake, that these "newer" currently illegal drugs did have more potential for abuse, it is still pointless, and somewhat counterproductive, to legalize them and then require people to see a doctor and get a script for their DOC. you might as well leave them illegal if you're going to give the doctor the ability to deny whoever he pleases. also, you still haven't explained how it is a medical issue in any way whatsoever. it's not at all. recreational drugs have nothing to do with your doctor. that's why alcohol and tobacco aren't sold in pharmacies. if you think going to the doctor's office is a pain in the ass now just wait until every single stoner in the country has to go get a prescription to get stoned. :lol:

As far as doing a better job of distribution goes, i think that's pretty out of touch too, particularly if the drug in question is meth. do you honestly believe people will stop cooking and selling meth on their own if the government sells it in pharmacies? first of all, pharmacy drugs are diverted to the black market all the time, but nevermind that, because with meth it's a moot point. meth is one of the easiest and most profitable drugs to make and sell, so why would everyone making it just give up their livelihoods because (lol) the government wanted to tax people for it? unless the government sold meth for so incredibly cheap that the cookers couldn't compete (which would create a whole new set of addicts and problems all together) then cooks will just continue cooking and just lower their prices to compete. perhaps they'll sell to that whole "addicted to meth" crowd that you said doctors would have the power to reject for scripts. meth would still be sold on the streets if drugs were legalized. it's really just drugs like cocaine, heroin, acid, and marijuana that legalization would effect drastically, because those drugs (marijuana aside) are not easily grown and made into drugs. they come from across the world, whereas meth comes from trailer parks. so how legalizing it is going to be the solution for the 'evils of meth' is not really clear at all. it certainly won't solve the social problems meth creates. if anything, it will probably make the problems worse on all levels. the only difference would be that people selling/buying it don't get into as much trouble when they are caught, and the government would be making taxes from it's sale and usage.




If you had actually read my posts, I never included "natural drugs" (cocaine, opiates and mushrooms are all natural drugs) in the list of drugs to be regulated by the medical field. Only man made chemicals.
:imslow:

Again I ask what is your solution to the meth problem?

Keep them illegal?
Legalize them, but let the street dealers keep cooking poisons for the public to buy?

Come on now and give an idea/suggestion that contributes to solving the problem rather than bashing my ideas.


Total unregulated legalization of drugs isn't going to happen

The public is going to demand some form of regulation. With major health care reform we can let the health care professionals regulate these more harmful drugs.

I doubt you could come up with a better solution than what I have already come up with.


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    #8167580 - 03/19/08 04:13 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8167716 - 03/19/08 04:31 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

He sure does like to bash others ideas, yet can't come up with a better solution.



Kinda lame if you ask me

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8167821 - 03/19/08 04:49 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

methadone clinic robbery

attempted robbery at methadone clinic

man seeking METHADONE robs pharmacy


why don't you show any sort of proof whatsoever that an average bank robbery yields 2-3 thousand dollars. anything, other then your own dim-witted assumptions that is. can you? i seriously doubt it.

the midwest bank robbers: "Langan and Guthrie allegedly robbed at least 18 banks during a two year period before Langan was arrested following a shootout with police in Columbus, Ohio in January, 1996. A search of storage lockers and places the pair had visited turned up promotional and recruiting material for the Aryan Republican Army. More than $250,000 in robbery proceeds were never recovered. The FBI investigated at the time whether the money had been used to fund violent right-wing activities."

that's 250,000 divided by 18 bank robberies....yeah, it's a little more then 2-3 thousand. :lol: there's one example that took me about two minutes to find...

do you ever say anything factual, or is everything you say just you talking out of your ass?

:rolleyes:

what's it like being as clueless as you?

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8167954 - 03/19/08 05:10 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

a solution that is better than yours? pretty much anything, but if you want me to be specific, then fine. if it makes you stop whining like a bitch.

legalizing drugs into different tiers. selling various tiers in government regulated (like abc stores)stores of various levels of security. making people apply for drug specific licenses that are easier or harder to get based on the relative 'danger' of the specific drug they wish to buy. so for instance, you'd need to be 21 years old and have a "level 1" license to buy marijuana, alcohol, mushrooms. 21 and have a class 2 license to buy cocaine, acid, etc etc....honestly anything makes more sense then having to ask your doctor for a prescription to get high. christ...

you guys are so typical of why the legalization movement is always laughed at by the majority. you propose ridiculous crap and believe foolishly that legalization is some sort of magic wand that will fix everything. it's stupid ill-conceived nonsense that you've convinced yourselves rather than admitting that legalization WON'T fix everything. i'm not even against legalization, but you guys act like i am because i'm haven't brainwashed myself into believing that everything having to do with legalizing drugs is some brilliant quick-fix that will save us all.

but i'm done arguing with you. there is no point, arguing with people who won't listen to reason, and waiting for you guys to say something relevant is like waiting for hell to freeze over.

YEAH, YOU WIN, LEGALIZING METH WILL SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS SURROUNDING IT! THE EVILS OF METH ARE SOLVED WOO! :stonedjerk:

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #8167964 - 03/19/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

JonnyOnTheSpot said:
methadone clinic robbery

attempted robbery at methadone clinic

man seeking METHADONE robs pharmacy


why don't you show any sort of proof whatsoever that an average bank robbery yields 2-3 thousand dollars. anything, other then your own dim-witted assumptions that is. can you? i seriously doubt it.

the midwest bank robbers: "Langan and Guthrie allegedly robbed at least 18 banks during a two year period before Langan was arrested following a shootout with police in Columbus, Ohio in January, 1996. A search of storage lockers and places the pair had visited turned up promotional and recruiting material for the Aryan Republican Army. More than $250,000 in robbery proceeds were never recovered. The FBI investigated at the time whether the money had been used to fund violent right-wing activities."

that's 250,000 divided by 18 bank robberies....yeah, it's a little more then 2-3 thousand. :lol: there's one example that took me about two minutes to find...

do you ever say anything factual, or is everything you say just you talking out of your ass?

:rolleyes:

what's it like being as clueless as you?




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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #8167966 - 03/19/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Wow 3 methadone cases in 20 years in the US.

It happens all the time.

Keep researching you might find 9 or 10 that happened in the past 20 years.

Wrong again.

1 bank robbery case you present that involved a pair of robbers taking all the registers.
:nono:
I can go find 1 case where the robber made off with nothing how about that??

You can't accept the fact I'm right, and I am.

Take it sleazy.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8167977 - 03/19/08 05:16 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

Chemy said:
Wow 3 methadone cases in 20 years in the US.

It happens all the time.

Keep researching you might find 9 or 10 that happened in the past 20 years.

Wrong again.

1 bank robbery case you present that involved a pair of robbers taking all the registers.
:nono:
I can go find 1 case where the robber made off with nothing how about that??

You can't accept the fact I'm right, and I am.

Take it sleazy.




I don't think there's many people who rob a bank by themselves.  Also there's still the matter of where you get your figure of an average of 2-3 g per robbery.  Or for that matter the average profit from robbing a pharmacy. 

Edited by THEBats (03/19/08 05:17 PM)

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #8167989 - 03/19/08 05:18 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

JonnyOnTheSpot said:
methadone clinic robbery

attempted robbery at methadone clinic

man seeking METHADONE robs pharmacy


why don't you show any sort of proof whatsoever that an average bank robbery yields 2-3 thousand dollars. anything, other then your own dim-witted assumptions that is. can you? i seriously doubt it.

the midwest bank robbers: "Langan and Guthrie allegedly robbed at least 18 banks during a two year period before Langan was arrested following a shootout with police in Columbus, Ohio in January, 1996. A search of storage lockers and places the pair had visited turned up promotional and recruiting material for the Aryan Republican Army. More than $250,000 in robbery proceeds were never recovered. The FBI investigated at the time whether the money had been used to fund violent right-wing activities."

that's 250,000 divided by 18 bank robberies....yeah, it's a little more then 2-3 thousand. :lol: there's one example that took me about two minutes to find...

do you ever say anything factual, or is everything you say just you talking out of your ass?

:rolleyes:

what's it like being as clueless as you?




A typical robbery nets an average of about $4,000 nationwide
Link to JonnyOnThe Spots ass owned

THEbats you read that????

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8168053 - 03/19/08 05:26 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Heres the LINK again, BOOYA

you provide 1 case I provide your ass in your hand BOOYA

Link to JonnyOnTheSpots ass getting handed to him




ok I'll admit defeat on that account however you still haven't provided evidence to support profits from robbing pharmacies. I'm also quite sure the number of methadone robberies is larger than you suspect. You don't have to storm a place guns drawn to steal methadone. And methadone certainly does make it's way to the streets. Seeing, as far as I know, all methadone is made pharmaceutically and controlled that means in someway or another it was stolen and made it's way onto the streets.

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    #8168058 - 03/19/08 05:26 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Epic thread still. :P


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    #8168105 - 03/19/08 05:34 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8168165 - 03/19/08 05:42 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

Chemy said:
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Quote:

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Heres the LINK again, BOOYA

you provide 1 case I provide your ass in your hand BOOYA

Link to JonnyOnTheSpots ass getting handed to him




ok I'll admit defeat on that account however you still haven't provided evidence to support profits from robbing pharmacies. I'm also quite sure the number of methadone robberies is larger than you suspect. You don't have to storm a place guns drawn to steal methadone. And methadone certainly does make it's way to the streets. Seeing, as far as I know, all methadone is made pharmaceutically and controlled that means in someway or another it was stolen and made it's way onto the streets.



I know that methadone clinics get robbed but they are very rare.
This is not a happens all the time situation, The methadone clinics near me have never been robbed, and I live in a Crime ridden area of Miami, you figure that one out.

The estimate for the pharm robberies was an average of the Broward county CVS robbing crew that recently got busted.
The high end was around 28, exuuuuuuse me for rounding up.




So you're using 1 case to get that figure? Also like I said you don't have to storm the place to rob em. Plenty of inside jobs I suspect.

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    #8168423 - 03/19/08 06:28 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

Chemy said:
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THEBats said:
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Chemy said:
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THEBats said:
Quote:

Chemy said:
Heres the LINK again, BOOYA

you provide 1 case I provide your ass in your hand BOOYA

Link to JonnyOnTheSpots ass getting handed to him




ok I'll admit defeat on that account however you still haven't provided evidence to support profits from robbing pharmacies. I'm also quite sure the number of methadone robberies is larger than you suspect. You don't have to storm a place guns drawn to steal methadone. And methadone certainly does make it's way to the streets. Seeing, as far as I know, all methadone is made pharmaceutically and controlled that means in someway or another it was stolen and made it's way onto the streets.



I know that methadone clinics get robbed but they are very rare.
This is not a happens all the time situation, The methadone clinics near me have never been robbed, and I live in a Crime ridden area of Miami, you figure that one out.

The estimate for the pharm robberies was an average of the Broward county CVS robbing crew that recently got busted.
The high end was around 28, exuuuuuuse me for rounding up.




So you're using 1 case to get that figure? Also like I said you don't have to storm the place to rob em. Plenty of inside jobs I suspect.



11 CVS and Walgreens were robbed.
And Walgreens still hasn't changed their SOP so that could happen today.....




11 by one crew right?

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8168625 - 03/19/08 07:18 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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I can't find any info online.
Been searching page after page for 30 minutes.

Thats the only info I can go on.

BTW JonnyOnTheSpot is a troll that goes into peoples threads and ridicules them and their ideas.
I went through alot of his past posts. cry cry cry

Oh well nice job troll. cry cry cry soccer mom

I fell for it.








i just pulled a chemy with your "blah blah your a dare suporter" or the classic "blah blah soccer mom"

damn you seem to be the biggest backer to the legalize meth thing, can you say tweaker?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
    #8168983 - 03/19/08 08:30 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I've never done it but pharmacies get robbed all the time in south florida.



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