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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
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You could make it legal. But I'm saying that alot of people would be giant fuck ups about it. When i said i have taken meth before, then realized i was overdoing it so i stopped, how the hell does that make me a hypocrite?

I'm with you, legalize it. No need to get all touchy.


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I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
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Chemy said:
That situation is similar to a crack or meth addict, either they wake the hell up and stop smoking crack or meth, or they die.
That's their choice I'm not going to sit here and cry because they can't control themselves.



Some of the people that abuse meth have a mental condition that causes their body to need that upper. They are sick (ADD & ADHD) and haven't sought the right help (probably don't know they are sick).

So, please don't demonize people you have never met.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. *DELETED* [Re: niteowl]
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Post deleted by Chemy

Reason for deletion: Reason for deleting?



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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
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This is the problem with the whole prohibition propaganda. It demonizes the users and the chemicals.  :nonono:

The real demon is prohibition ITSELF.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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LordOfChaos said:
No they are not that often. But if it was legal and more people do it with nothing in place to besides making it illegal, then many more accidents would occur. Many people would OD. the reason it isn't a rampid problem, is because it is illegal. People are doing it in their homes more often then not. Are you saying people wouldn't do it in public and endanger others at all if it was legal? Who would stop them? What would stop them? there would be nothing in place to keep people from killing others, even by accident.

And yes, i know there are people that are killed in accidents everyday. Some are sober, some are drunk, some are stoned, some are tweaking. But it would elevate the problem if there was nothing stopping people from doing things they think they have under control themselves but do not.

I was saying that something should be in place. If not the government then doctors? If not doctors then what? You come up with something that doesn't endanger others lives, then i will be cool with it. I don't believe in prohibition. But i think that some laws are good, and some people are idiots. what do we do to protect others from others when they are fucked up? Is there any kind of program that should be in place? Is there some sort of way to legalize everything without people being tards and fucking up others lives with their drug problems? I have no problem with drugs. Just the people who used them and cant control themselves.



You truly are BLIND to what would really happen aren't you Mr DARE.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
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Chemy said...

That situation is similar to a crack or meth addict, either they wake the hell up and stop smoking crack or meth, or they die.
That's their choice I'm not going to sit here and cry because they can't control themselves.


You made it sound like these people have some kind of control over there meth use. Although some, in fact do have control, many don't.....because of the ADD/ADHD thang.

Legalizing it would help ID those people with ADD/ADHD

Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.....:sorry:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
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i fancy a nice 72 hour binge...

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
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Tell me then. I never said i know all the answers, i just have my opinions. Change my opinion then. What would happen if it was all legal and people policed themselfs? I wouldn't trust my mother with a unregulated supply of her pain killers. She would be retarded within a month. But then she is addicted to everything she has ever tried.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
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Meth is some fucked up shit and I'm sorry but even prescription desoxyn is harmful to the body and addictive. Less addictive then street meth due to oral consumption however that does not in any way make it SAFE for human consumption. Also knowing human beings people would prolly just crush up the pill like oxycontin and take it IV.

# fatal kidney and lung disorders
# possible brain damage
# permanent psychological problems
# lowered resistance to illnesses
# liver damage
# stroke

Sorry, not safe and don't give me that street meth bullshit. Using your analogy to bath tub gin I will agree street meth has a higher probability of increased harm. However much like professionally made alcohol it is not without it's harms and dangers to the body and mind.

That said I agree. Legalize. I know for sure I'm not gonna rush out and try meth once it's legal and I could care less about the people who do.

Edited by THEBats (03/18/08 10:24 AM)

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
    #8161589 -

LordOfChaos said:
Tell me then. I never said i know all the answers, i just have my opinions. Change my opinion then. What would happen if it was all legal and people policed themselfs?



People have to police themselves with drugs now. Putting reasonable restrictions on the public use of drugs (just like alcohol) would be one solution to your anarchy theory.

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I wouldn't trust my mother with a unregulated supply of her pain killers. She would be retarded within a month. But then she is addicted to everything she has ever tried.



When did I say drugs would be un-regulated?

Every legal drug has regulations involving its use.

Why would it be any different if meth were legal?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: THEBats]
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THEBats said:
Meth is some fucked up shit and I'm sorry but even prescription desoxyn is harmful to the body and addictive.



So is tobacco and alcohol. Your point is?

Inform the public of the dangers of a drug and let them be the deciding factor weather or not they want to use a drug.

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Less addictive then street meth due to oral consumption[/url] however that does not in any way make it SAFE for human consumption.



Is tobacco safe for human consumption, how about McDonald's?

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Also knowing human beings people would prolly just crush up the pill like oxycontin and take it IV.



Sell it in powder form so the user can take it any way he/she wants. 

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# fatal kidney and lung disorders
# possible brain damage
# permanent psychological problems
# lowered resistance to illnesses
# liver damage
# stroke



:yawn: I could look up the dangerous side effects of alcohol and tobacco too, but I won't waste your time.

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Sorry, not safe and don't give me that street meth bullshit.  Using your analogy to bath tub gin I will agree street meth has a higher probability of increased harm.  However much like professionally made alcohol it is not without it's harms and dangers to the body and mind.




Your first sentence and your second one seem to clash to me.

ALL drugs are harmful to the human body in some shape form or fashion. 

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That said I agree.  Legalize.  I know for sure I'm not gonna rush out and try meth once it's legal and I could care less about the people who do.



:headbanger:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161753 -

Just put regulations on it (e.g. taxes, age limits) then educate the public about the health risks, add in a bit of social disapproval and it's likely to not become very widespread.

Similar measures have decreased the smoking rate substantially.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161918 -

niteowl said:
THEBats said:
Meth is some fucked up shit and I'm sorry but even prescription desoxyn is harmful to the body and addictive.



So is tobacco and alcohol. Your point is?

Inform the public of the dangers of a drug and let them be the deciding factor weather or not they want to use a drug.

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Less addictive then street meth due to oral consumption[/url] however that does not in any way make it SAFE for human consumption.



Is tobacco safe for human consumption, how about McDonald's?

Quote:
Also knowing human beings people would prolly just crush up the pill like oxycontin and take it IV.



Sell it in powder form so the user can take it any way he/she wants. 

Quote:
# fatal kidney and lung disorders
# possible brain damage
# permanent psychological problems
# lowered resistance to illnesses
# liver damage
# stroke



:yawn: I could look up the dangerous side effects of alcohol and tobacco too, but I won't waste your time.

Quote:
Sorry, not safe and don't give me that street meth bullshit.  Using your analogy to bath tub gin I will agree street meth has a higher probability of increased harm.  However much like professionally made alcohol it is not without it's harms and dangers to the body and mind.




Your first sentence and your second one seem to clash to me.

ALL drugs are harmful to the human body in some shape form or fashion. 

Quote:
That said I agree.  Legalize.  I know for sure I'm not gonna rush out and try meth once it's legal and I could care less about the people who do.



:headbanger:



Why do you keep bringing up alcohol and tobacco?  No where did I mention the harmfulness of those substances.    Or McDonalds.  I was merely pointing out that in comparison to say marijuana or lsd meth is far removed from what can be considered safe to the body.

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: THEBats]
    #8161975 -

So.

People are gonna use it, shouldn't they use the safest form possible?


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161980 -

Just like alcohol.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161984 -

Bleh. I dont understand how some people dont get it. Illegal or not, people are gonna use it, and if they are, it would be best in a pure, standardized form. rock on niteowl!


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: 0kehSt0nr]
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Thank you  :sunny:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8161997 -

I think whats holding governments back is that after drugs are legalized for a few years, kids grow up knowing its their for them to try out. Curiosity ALWAYS gets the better of you as a kid. So kids trying these things is not what we need. Legalized meth is the gayest thing since richard simmons.

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: niteowl]
    #8162003 -

niteowl said:
So.

People are gonna use it, shouldn't they use the safest form possible?



I think I covered that when I said it should be legal you big nut!  :kingcrankey:

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: todesengel]
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todesengel said:
I think whats holding governments back is that after drugs are legalized for a few years, kids grow up knowing its their for them to try out. Curiosity ALWAYS gets the better of you as a kid. So kids trying these things is not what we need. Legalized meth is the gayest thing since richard simmons.



And you don't think outlawing it adds to the precious children's curiosity?

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