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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. *DELETED* [Re: Kada]
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Alcoholics Anonymous

Narcotics Anonymous

Get help, help is free and available 24/7/365.

God bless you all and I hope you receive the help you need to turn away from your lives of sin.

Mushrooms and drugs make you gay, you can reverse this homosexual condition with rehab, get help! Stop being gay!

Edited by Chemy (04/04/08 02:28 AM)

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> Why can't the medical professionals be solely responsible for that?

Why can't I be soley responsible for that?  Why do I have to spend $500 talking to a 'medical professional' to get a $20 prescription for something I could whip up in the lab, were it not illegal?  And perhaps most importantly, who are you to tell me what I can or cannot put into my own body?


:what:

When I say 'medical professional' I mean doctors and pharmacists who are edcuated to know about anti-biotics.  I was questioning why you think the 'government' should control 'anti-biotics' (like you said they should) or any drug at all. You said you were for both legalization & government controls. I was questioning that.

Read what I said so far in this thread. I've been on the legalization and civil liberties side of this argument the whole way through dude.


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"In the beginning, I had no name. i was a shape, a snarling shadow of the Old World which slipped into this existence" - Steven Erikson

"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
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Chemy what you suggest is purely destructive. If the government makes everything legal with nothing in place to help users, alot of people would die. I'm not sure what could be done, but free reign is dangerous. Is their anything that we could do as a society to be helpful to people that choose to do drugs? Don't be a idiot and say that people should be allowed to kill others in their stupidity.

*I am agreeing with you on one thing; Drugs should be legal. But how do we handle that in a safe way? Is their a safe way? Should some 6 year old get run down by some methed out idiot because you think that people should do whatever they want however they want? Fine, if so, then how do they use safely? Is their a safe way?


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


Edited by Kada (03/18/08 07:22 AM)

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
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> When I say 'medical professional' I mean doctors and pharmacists who are edcuated to know about anti-biotics.

Doh, I thought you meant all drugs, not just antibiotics (and other medications that can lead to drug-resistant pathogens). After re-reading our last few posts, I think we are both saying the same thing.

To be clear, I'm for full legalization of almost all drugs (and certainly all recreational drugs). In the few cases where improper usage of a drug could create a drug-resistant pathogen, I support very limited control/regulation by the government (such as exists now with prescriptions).

Sorry for the confusion.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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One thing for sure - until legalization there is no way for scientists to even find a safer way.


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"In the beginning, I had no name. i was a shape, a snarling shadow of the Old World which slipped into this existence" - Steven Erikson

"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. *DELETED* [Re: Kada]
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Alcoholics Anonymous

Narcotics Anonymous

Get help, help is free and available 24/7/365.

God bless you all and I hope you receive the help you need to turn away from your lives of sin.

Mushrooms and drugs make you gay, you can reverse this homosexual condition with rehab, get help! Stop being gay!

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
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Chemy you need to grow up. I thought i was talking to someone who was sane. Nevermind.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> When I say 'medical professional' I mean doctors and pharmacists who are edcuated to know about anti-biotics.

Doh, I thought you meant all drugs, not just antibiotics (and other medications that can lead to drug-resistant pathogens). After re-reading our last few posts, I think we are both saying the same thing.

To be clear, I'm for full legalization of almost all drugs (and certainly all recreational drugs). In the few cases where improper usage of a drug could create a drug-resistant pathogen, I support very limited control/regulation by the government (such as exists now with prescriptions).

Sorry for the confusion.


No problem dude. Back to my question though. Why cant the medical professionals fully handle the anti-biotics on their own? Do they really need a babysitter?


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"In the beginning, I had no name. i was a shape, a snarling shadow of the Old World which slipped into this existence" - Steven Erikson

"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. *DELETED* [Re: Kada]
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Alcoholics Anonymous

Narcotics Anonymous

Get help, help is free and available 24/7/365.

God bless you all and I hope you receive the help you need to turn away from your lives of sin.

Mushrooms and drugs make you gay, you can reverse this homosexual condition with rehab, get help! Stop being gay!

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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LordOfChaos said:
Chemy you need to grow up. I thought i was talking to someone who was sane. Nevermind.


Wow i wasn't the only one thinking that.  Guess if two people are thinking the same thing... well... :rolleyes:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
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> Why cant the medical professionals fully handle the anti-biotics on their own? Do they really need a babysitter?

Very good point. In these very limited cases, I don't care where the regulation comes from... getting the government completely out of the process (other than setting standards for quality) would probably be for the best. (In the majority of the cases, there should be no regulation from the government or the industry.)


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
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"In the beginning, I had no name. i was a shape, a snarling shadow of the Old World which slipped into this existence" - Steven Erikson

"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. *DELETED* [Re: narkotik]
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Alcoholics Anonymous

Narcotics Anonymous

Get help, help is free and available 24/7/365.

God bless you all and I hope you receive the help you need to turn away from your lives of sin.

Mushrooms and drugs make you gay, you can reverse this homosexual condition with rehab, get help! Stop being gay!

Edited by Chemy (04/04/08 02:29 AM)

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: narkotik]
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Chemy you are basically saying to let some drug crazed fucking idiots drive around on the streets killing 10 time the amount of people that die in car accidents now. You are suggesting that the government allow Americans to kill other Americans. If i saw some fucked up person driving past my house with my 6 year old son playing in the front yard, i would pull him out of his car and beat the piss out of him. I would then call the cops for endangerment and recklessness behind the wheel.

Obviously you don't have kids, therefore you have no grounds to say that people should be able to kill others. you are saying that it should be fine to kill my son. go fuck yourself if you really think like that. I'm done being nice.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. *DELETED* [Re: Chemy]
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Post deleted by Chemy

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Alcoholics Anonymous

Narcotics Anonymous

Get help, help is free and available 24/7/365.

God bless you all and I hope you receive the help you need to turn away from your lives of sin.

Mushrooms and drugs make you gay, you can reverse this homosexual condition with rehab, get help! Stop being gay!

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: bradmassive]
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It's not that i couldn't keep up I just couldn't deal with the immature comments, i never started talking shit, i was discussing the topic without offending anyone, and you came in and started talking shit and basically being an asshole.  I dont understand why you can't just be mature about it and stop talking like you are?  You think you're too smart or something, having an attitude like you do.  Whatever, you know everything bradmassive and are too tough for me with your GTFOs and STFUs.. :thumbup:


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
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Chemy said:
Bubblewrap the world, protect everyone from harm.

Little bunny rabbits will hop across meadows, nobody will ever die and everyone will be happy thanks to Government controls


:rofl2:


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"In the beginning, I had no name. i was a shape, a snarling shadow of the Old World which slipped into this existence" - Steven Erikson

"Our progress as a species rests squarely on the shoulders of that tenth person. The nine are satisfied with things they are told are valuable. Person 10 determines for himself what has value." - My good friend Za -

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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
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Quote:
Wow i wasn't the only one thinking that.  Guess if two people are thinking the same thing... well... :rolleyes:


And you 2 need to get a room

Sheltered people are so funny.........


... WTF?  Can i ask how old you are?  Honestly... you make comments like this that just blow my mind... And you call me sheltered?  Where are you from ?  I'm definately not sheltered you have no idea who i am, where im from, nothing about me and you call me sheltered... this is so stupid its ridiculous.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Chemy]
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Chemy said:
LordOfChaos said:
Most people on this forum are pretty right minded, but i know some stupid redneck idiots that would cause death and destruction if they could walk around high all the time.
>Don't they do that now??? YES

How could you limit a user using outside of their homes?
Hire a babysitter

Drug testing couldn't prove anything. If it was legal, then it wouldn't be illegal to have it in your system.
Hire a babysitter

I do believe that the government should have no right to tell us what we can and can't use as recreation, but what would be a possible alternative to keep people from harming themselves while using drugs freely?

Should anything be in place?Hire a Babysitter

What are some options?Hire a Babysitter

I'm not talking about doing what the gov is doing, I'm talking about seriously helping people control their appetites. Hire a Babysitter

For gods sakes, people can't even be givin free reign over what they eat half the time. When they get fat as fuck, they just blame the fast food industry.

Thats what the government wants, whiney crybaby fat lazy republicans I have noticed a more effort into being healthy in the last few years, but there are people that CAN NOT control themselves.
Let them live and die, who cares

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What could society do as a alternative to jailing drug abusers? What about the abusers that don't want to quit? Let them kill themselves and possibly others around them in their recklessness?
yes, stop being a soccermom and grow a pair

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Please, come up with a decent program that helps, not restricts your god giving rights.control is control, there is no difference





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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: The evils of meth......a solution. [Re: Kada]
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Your answer to people killing people is WHO CARES.

You said right there in my post above, that people should kill themselfs AND the people around them.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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