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Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI)
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Has anyone tried to consume syrian rue (harmal) or another MAO inhibitor to potentate the trip, and make it stronger?

What kind of doses would you recommend?

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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Richii]
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I'm sure quite a few people here have done it, but i personally wouldn't at all. Mixing psychedelics that last long alone with Strong MAOIs can be risky territory.
Lighter MAOIs are less risky. Hmm, like st johns wort tea (2 tablespoons stewed in hot water of St Johns wort should do the trick) has helped increase what i take normally and seems to make it a bit more intense. (some argue that st johns wort is not a MAOI at all, but meh it seems to work a bit for me)

If you've had shrooms before, maybe take 1/2 to 3/4 of what you'd usually take if you're gonna have syrian rue.

Additionally - check out erowid.org for stuff not to mix with MAOIs.


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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: flangenips]
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I use about 2.5 grams on rue. I grind it up and make a tea with it. Normally i boil off most of the water and add it to some arizona. Ive had 5grams of shrooms with 2.5grams of rue and it was a blast.

Just be prepared for a longer trip and possibly more intense. i wouldnt say intense just different. i def plan on doing it again.


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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Overclock22]
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I recently extracted syrian rue with rubbing alcohol, put 3g worth of extract into a capsule and took that with 3g of mushrooms. It was awesome.

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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: flangenips]
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Harmal and harmaline are both selective (MAO-A I) and reversible, so I understand that they are safer as there is a lower risk of "cheese syndrome".

Either way, how long before and after consumption of syrian rue should one maintain a tyramine free diet?

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois_info2.shtml

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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Richii]
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Wow such an original question

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/search.php

maoi mushrooms


It totally brings up 0 results

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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: flangenips]
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flangenips said:
Lighter MAOIs are less risky. Hmm, like st johns wort tea (2 tablespoons stewed in hot water of St Johns wort should do the trick) has helped increase what i take normally and seems to make it a bit more intense. (some argue that st johns wort is not a MAOI at all, but meh it seems to work a bit for me)

If you've had shrooms before, maybe take 1/2 to 3/4 of what you'd usually take if you're gonna have syrian rue.

Additionally - check out erowid.org for stuff not to mix with MAOIs.


st johns wort is an ssri, not an maoi


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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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How much longer does an maoi increase the duration of a trip in your guys experience?

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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: krypto2000]
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I have used syrian rue + mushrooms before. I simply grind up the rue and add them to vegan gel capsules. After 30 minutes or so, I consume the mushrooms (5 dried grams + rue).

The experience is intense. Expect a certain shift in visuals toward the more clear. The rue makes you more lethargic and prone to just lay down and close your eyes to further experience the visions. The rue is calming. So, lay down and close your eyes.

It is incorrect to say that rue makes a mushroom trip more stronger, rather the rue makes the trip characteristically different and more like ayahuasca or a stretched-out DMT flash. Mushrooms visions by themselves seem blurry, but with rue, they are clear.

Be very careful when dealing MAOIs. Read everything and follow the directions carefully. They are not for casual tripping.

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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: vonhumboldt]
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vonhumboldt said:
Be very careful when dealing MAOIs. Read everything and follow the directions carefully. They are not for casual tripping.


qft
check out erowids maoi vault, it has stuff u need to read before considering any maoi


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And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast.
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"And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!"  -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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id use aya not rue
those fucking syrians will rue that day


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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Coaster]
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Coaster said:
id use aya not rue
those fucking syrians will rue that day


hmm doesnt rue have a lot more potency and also not as many stomach problems?


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And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast.
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"And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!"  -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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rue is more concentrated
but aya has less stomach problems


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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
flangenips said:
Lighter MAOIs are less risky. Hmm, like st johns wort tea (2 tablespoons stewed in hot water of St Johns wort should do the trick) has helped increase what i take normally and seems to make it a bit more intense. (some argue that st johns wort is not a MAOI at all, but meh it seems to work a bit for me)

If you've had shrooms before, maybe take 1/2 to 3/4 of what you'd usually take if you're gonna have syrian rue.

Additionally - check out erowid.org for stuff not to mix with MAOIs.


st johns wort is an ssri, not an maoi


Hmm, yeah, but i've seen it descibed as a weak maoi as well. But so has the cocoa bean, and a few other commonly consumed products. Just cos something is generally classed as one thing, does not mean its not another as well, the plant world is diverse. Even Hordenine has been described as a "hangover cure" and that occurs in many types of cactus.


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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce

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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: flangenips]
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Smoke sum passion flower when your tripping, you will have things revealed to you...


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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
Smoke sum passion flower when your tripping, you will have things revealed to you...


ive heard that passiflora is about 80 times weaker than syrian rue, and that for it to really act like a proper maoi, you need to consume upwards of 12 dry grams

btw do you smoke the leaf or the flower? im going to be buying an "incense" cultivar to grow in my room


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And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast.
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"And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!"  -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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For the reasons you outlined, to go the passiflora route you need to make an extract.

There's a Gracie & Zarkov about this somewhere (erowid probably?)


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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Entropymancer]
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Entropymancer said:
For the reasons you outlined, to go the passiflora route you need to make an extract.

There's a Gracie & Zarkov about this somewhere (erowid probably?)


ya passiflora is a relaxing smoke in its own right, but in order to use it as an maoi u have to use a lot

stick to aya and rue


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And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast.
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"And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!"  -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Entropymancer]
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Oh, and passionflower leaf is the part that is used, I believe.

Here we are, I think this should be helpful: Gracee and Zarkov: Three Beta-Carboline Plants


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Good Drug Books
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
How much longer does an maoi increase the duration of a trip in your guys experience?


:crazy:

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