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Richii
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Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI)
#7961063 - 01/31/08 04:57 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Has anyone tried to consume syrian rue (harmal) or another MAO inhibitor to potentate the trip, and make it stronger?
What kind of doses would you recommend?
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flangenips
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Richii]
#7961110 - 01/31/08 05:09 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I'm sure quite a few people here have done it, but i personally wouldn't at all. Mixing psychedelics that last long alone with Strong MAOIs can be risky territory. Lighter MAOIs are less risky. Hmm, like st johns wort tea (2 tablespoons stewed in hot water of St Johns wort should do the trick) has helped increase what i take normally and seems to make it a bit more intense. (some argue that st johns wort is not a MAOI at all, but meh it seems to work a bit for me)
If you've had shrooms before, maybe take 1/2 to 3/4 of what you'd usually take if you're gonna have syrian rue.
Additionally - check out erowid.org for stuff not to mix with MAOIs.
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: flangenips]
#7961122 - 01/31/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I use about 2.5 grams on rue. I grind it up and make a tea with it. Normally i boil off most of the water and add it to some arizona. Ive had 5grams of shrooms with 2.5grams of rue and it was a blast.
Just be prepared for a longer trip and possibly more intense. i wouldnt say intense just different. i def plan on doing it again.
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Overclock22]
#7961145 - 01/31/08 05:15 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I recently extracted syrian rue with rubbing alcohol, put 3g worth of extract into a capsule and took that with 3g of mushrooms. It was awesome.
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: flangenips]
#8089134 - 03/01/08 09:40 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Harmal and harmaline are both selective (MAO-A I) and reversible, so I understand that they are safer as there is a lower risk of "cheese syndrome".
Either way, how long before and after consumption of syrian rue should one maintain a tyramine free diet?
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois_info2.shtml
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Richii]
#8089137 - 03/01/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow such an original question
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/search.php
maoi mushrooms
It totally brings up 0 results
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: flangenips]
#8089285 - 03/01/08 10:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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flangenips said: Lighter MAOIs are less risky. Hmm, like st johns wort tea (2 tablespoons stewed in hot water of St Johns wort should do the trick) has helped increase what i take normally and seems to make it a bit more intense. (some argue that st johns wort is not a MAOI at all, but meh it seems to work a bit for me)
If you've had shrooms before, maybe take 1/2 to 3/4 of what you'd usually take if you're gonna have syrian rue.
Additionally - check out erowid.org for stuff not to mix with MAOIs.
st johns wort is an ssri, not an maoi
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How much longer does an maoi increase the duration of a trip in your guys experience?
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: krypto2000]
#8089879 - 03/01/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have used syrian rue + mushrooms before. I simply grind up the rue and add them to vegan gel capsules. After 30 minutes or so, I consume the mushrooms (5 dried grams + rue).
The experience is intense. Expect a certain shift in visuals toward the more clear. The rue makes you more lethargic and prone to just lay down and close your eyes to further experience the visions. The rue is calming. So, lay down and close your eyes.
It is incorrect to say that rue makes a mushroom trip more stronger, rather the rue makes the trip characteristically different and more like ayahuasca or a stretched-out DMT flash. Mushrooms visions by themselves seem blurry, but with rue, they are clear.
Be very careful when dealing MAOIs. Read everything and follow the directions carefully. They are not for casual tripping.
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: vonhumboldt]
#8090323 - 03/01/08 03:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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vonhumboldt said: Be very careful when dealing MAOIs. Read everything and follow the directions carefully. They are not for casual tripping.
qft check out erowids maoi vault, it has stuff u need to read before considering any maoi
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id use aya not rue those fucking syrians will rue that day
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Coaster]
#8090338 - 03/01/08 03:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Coaster said: id use aya not rue those fucking syrians will rue that day
hmm doesnt rue have a lot more potency and also not as many stomach problems?
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rue is more concentrated but aya has less stomach problems
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
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flangenips said: Lighter MAOIs are less risky. Hmm, like st johns wort tea (2 tablespoons stewed in hot water of St Johns wort should do the trick) has helped increase what i take normally and seems to make it a bit more intense. (some argue that st johns wort is not a MAOI at all, but meh it seems to work a bit for me)
If you've had shrooms before, maybe take 1/2 to 3/4 of what you'd usually take if you're gonna have syrian rue.
Additionally - check out erowid.org for stuff not to mix with MAOIs.
st johns wort is an ssri, not an maoi
Hmm, yeah, but i've seen it descibed as a weak maoi as well. But so has the cocoa bean, and a few other commonly consumed products. Just cos something is generally classed as one thing, does not mean its not another as well, the plant world is diverse. Even Hordenine has been described as a "hangover cure" and that occurs in many types of cactus.
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: flangenips]
#8093545 - 03/02/08 12:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smoke sum passion flower when your tripping, you will have things revealed to you...
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Chronic7]
#8093564 - 03/02/08 12:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: Smoke sum passion flower when your tripping, you will have things revealed to you...
ive heard that passiflora is about 80 times weaker than syrian rue, and that for it to really act like a proper maoi, you need to consume upwards of 12 dry grams
btw do you smoke the leaf or the flower? im going to be buying an "incense" cultivar to grow in my room
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For the reasons you outlined, to go the passiflora route you need to make an extract.
There's a Gracie & Zarkov about this somewhere (erowid probably?)
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Entropymancer]
#8093662 - 03/02/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Entropymancer said: For the reasons you outlined, to go the passiflora route you need to make an extract.
There's a Gracie & Zarkov about this somewhere (erowid probably?)
ya passiflora is a relaxing smoke in its own right, but in order to use it as an maoi u have to use a lot
stick to aya and rue
-------------------- And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast. ----- "And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!" -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life "In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move." -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" "If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Entropymancer]
#8093674 - 03/02/08 01:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh, and passionflower leaf is the part that is used, I believe.
Here we are, I think this should be helpful: Gracee and Zarkov: Three Beta-Carboline Plants
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: krypto2000]
#8094847 - 03/02/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: How much longer does an maoi increase the duration of a trip in your guys experience?
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: krypto2000]
#8097175 - 03/03/08 11:43 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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ive read that it can almost double the duration
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Yeah, but its often better for just halving dosage for a similar trip you'd get from a full dose. Shrooms for 12-16 hours can be quite over the top, and there is alot of room for it to turn bad.
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: flangenips]
#8097238 - 03/03/08 11:57 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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flangenips said: Yeah, but its often better for just halving dosage for a similar trip you'd get from a full dose. Shrooms for 12-16 hours can be quite over the top, and there is alot of room for it to turn bad.
Respect your drugs and they should respect you and show you a great time.
true, but for someone like me (i dont use synthetics, dont trust them) it could be useful to use a low dose of shrooms with 1.5-2g syrian rue, would give it a similar timeline to lsd without having been made in a chemical lab
note: im not saying itll have a similar EFFECT, just last as long
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yeah, I'd like to try a 1.5-2.0g trip and have it last for 12 hours. Maybe I'll give this a shot sometime in the spring.
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: krypto2000]
#8097908 - 03/03/08 02:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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buy some passion flower, flower, and smoke it when your tripping if nothing happens then ill be suprised, i definately only smoke one spliff of it and its great.
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: Chronic7]
#8097951 - 03/03/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: buy some passion flower, flower, and smoke it when your tripping if nothing happens then ill be suprised, i definately only smoke one spliff of it and its great.
but still, thats not just the maoi passionflower has about 7 psychoactive compounds, if im not mistaken, that work together synergistically, the amount that you use isnt enough for any substantial mao-inhibition, and thats what were talking about, not debating whether passionflower has an effect
plus we have to factor in placebo effect
-------------------- And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast. ----- "And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!" -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life "In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move." -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" "If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna
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From my experiences with Rue, they have all greatly varied in length and strength.
For the most part you can stay high for about as long as you can stay awake, which can be a task in itself because your body burns alot of energy during the process of the trip.
Although its not always great, I have been mindfucked by rue a handful of times and its not very nice, I've had 2 hardcore panic attacks on trips before overshadowing anything i've called a "bad trip" on mushrooms alone.
Not to mention before rue I have never had panic attacks on any other drug nor sober, which may resulting in me not knowing what is going on and being able to control the situation.
Although I have had some of my best experiences in combinations with rue, which no matter how bad of a trip that comes along, I know one day I will use rue again.
For stomach problems, I have never really had any, i'm sure if you read erowid's reports you will find the majority felt uncomfortable.
I brew the rue, and make mushroom tea (with lemon), both in seperate pots until they are done and then mix. I have never had any stomach problems doing it that way.
I suggest you explore various heavy mushrooms doses by themselves before you start rue, and when you do start I would start with 2-3g of mushrooms with maybe 1 tablespoon of rue
All I can say is follow dietary restrictions and fast for at least 5 hours before hand. And read plenty of reports before you get into it, so you can learn from others mistakes and get a good idea of what your in for.
Have a good trip! I recommend some Dr. Seuss the Lorax! ah that was great.
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
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Chronic777 said: buy some passion flower, flower, and smoke it when your tripping if nothing happens then ill be suprised, i definately only smoke one spliff of it and its great.
but still, thats not just the maoi passionflower has about 7 psychoactive compounds, if im not mistaken, that work together synergistically, the amount that you use isnt enough for any substantial mao-inhibition, and thats what were talking about, not debating whether passionflower has an effect
plus we have to factor in placebo effect
Ive never tried it myself, but I have heard many good things about it.
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: krypto2000]
#8099211 - 03/03/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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hmm I have never smoked passionflower in fear that it was bullshit(as are most natraul highs) , but so many here love it i will have to give it a try.
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: awesomebastard]
#8101837 - 03/04/08 02:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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People don't forewarn about this combination nearly enough.
DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN 2 GRAMS DRIED WITH SYRIAN RUE.
Honestly lol. you don't need more than that.
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: ShroomyTunes]
#8102115 - 03/04/08 04:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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ShroomyTunes said: People don't forewarn about this combination nearly enough.
DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN 2 GRAMS DRIED WITH SYRIAN RUE.
Honestly lol. you don't need more than that.
unless you want some serious mindfuck and or a breakthrough experience
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Re: Mushrooms and Syrian Rue (MAOI) [Re: blz3432]
#8104075 - 03/04/08 11:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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you gota watch out for the vibes from it and this is another meaning of vibes i have found myself and other people who have used this method to vibrate. its almost like as if a cell for was ringing on vibrate and it happens in differnt parts of your body or whole body its really strange
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