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OfflineTheGreenPhantom
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MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?)
    #1254157 - 01/27/03 06:25 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah... I've been wondering about the use of rue as a MAOI for tryptamines... (Yes, I've checked erowid...)
How does a shroom or research chemical trip without rue compare to trip with it?

Are audio/visuals enhanced? Is the trip more insightful? Is the come-up quicker? Is their more or less gastric distress? How is the body load different? And finally, how much of the ground up rue seeds do you commonly use? ...or do you make a harmala/harmaline extraction?

Does it stand up to the hype published intellectuals like Jim DeKorne & Jonathan Ott give to it?



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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: TheGreenPhantom]
    #1254404 - 01/28/03 07:00 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

It made my trip a lot better. I think its a better way to conserve shrooms especially if you have small amounts. the visuals were enhanced for me. Did it make it more insightful, not really, it was really intense, and I didn't move for like 2 hours until it came down a little. I had a lot of gastric distress with the seeds, I need to make an extraction. I used 3 grams of seeds. Even on an amount like that I was sort of tripping, everything was brighter and I saw a ton of tracers before I ate the mushrooms.


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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: daussaulit]
    #1254499 - 01/28/03 07:34 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

It changes the trip. You should do a bit in a tea with a gram of shrooms and then you could know exactly what it does.

Be very careful however, cuz i did my extaction with pure lemon juice and after a few hours i got up and almost passed out. Also it felt like reality was shattering around me and sense was evaporating. Then i passed as soon as it came, but when my g/f got up she actually colapsed! We did all the safety precautions beforehand, so i think it was the lemon juice.

It does enhance the trip but its hard to explain. My first experience was a little scary, but i intend to try it again in a while. Best way would be to mix in mabye 1:10 lemon juice to water and make a tea with the ground up seeds.


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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1255408 - 01/28/03 12:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The 1st time I tried a lemon juice extraction with 3g rue and 3g ps cyanescens.
Drank the extracted rue concoction and after an hour drank my mush tea.
There was some slight nausea as the shrooms kicked in and I also felt sluggish and drained. Closing my eyes at this point brought *complete* dissembodiment, I was almost completely unaware of my physical being. 3g Rue combo's always seem to always attract other intelligence/beings who are ready to interact with me. While combo's of lower weight potentiate, the chance of meeting any other is always reduced...for me.

Always feel quite burnt out the day after, it takes alot of enerjy to try and remain calm throughout an experience.

It's a worthwhile combination with shrooms, I couldn't tell you about anything else. But I think that if you're sole interest in rue is as a potentiator you're missing the point. Take more shrooms if thats the case.
My last bit of advice would be to trip infrequently and add rue on rare occasion.




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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1257145 - 01/29/03 01:27 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

harmala alkaloids (like related yomine-type alkaloids) can cause hypotension... and if your b.p. plummets, you will most likely fall out/faint if you aren't careful...


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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: gnrm23]
    #1257245 - 01/29/03 02:59 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yep its well cool, the only problem I had was they made me fee a bit ill but thats just munching pure seeds with no extraction.


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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: EvilGir]
    #1257254 - 01/29/03 03:12 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

even doing capsules of pure harmine/harmaline HCl can cause nausea...
and doing up a tea from the seeds (ugh!), or eating capsules of ground up seeds can make ya wanna call ralph...
taking the pure crystals in capsules in divided doses over an hour or two can lessen the "shock to the system" a bit...


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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: gnrm23]
    #1257265 - 01/29/03 03:37 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

But I think there is other better sourcers for maoi, such as Banisteriopsis caapi .
It a lot more cleaner and less sickness.


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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: EvilGir]
    #1257545 - 01/29/03 06:46 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

gnrm23, whats a b.p? I'd like to know cus i almost passed out when i tried rue. My g/f actually did!! But the extract we made had only 6 lemons worth of juice...no water!!


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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: EvilGir]
    #1257904 - 01/29/03 09:02 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

well, the vine is "better" as in mostly harmine & THH (vs. harmaline & harmine for the seeds... but the seeds may have more than 10x the alkaloids as the vine (admittedly, not all the seed alkaloids are harmala betacarbolines...)


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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1257925 - 01/29/03 09:08 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

BP is blood pressure...
hypotensive crisis is a dangerous lowering of your blood pressure; plain fainting _may_ be due to lowered BP - not too dangerous unless you hit your head or something on the way down to the carpet, hehheh...
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and of course as an MAOi it is possible for harmine to potentiate the blood pressure effects of other drugs as well (MAOi + tranx, barbs, distilled booze, etc. = hypotension)(MAOi + decongestant, antihistamine, amphetamine, tyramine-rich foods, etc. = hypertension (perhaps dangerously elevated blood pressure)
so play safe out there, kiddies...
(hey, wtf is this, the other drugs forum or something? :wink: ...)


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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: gnrm23]
    #1257992 - 01/29/03 09:33 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Does san pedro contain amphetamines? Could you mix rue with mescaline?


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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1258074 - 01/29/03 10:04 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

cactus conains mescaline, which is a phenethylamine;
amphs are alphamethyl-phenethylamines...
there should be a couple trip reports on this combo at erowid or lycaeum (as well as in ott's book _pharmacotheon_ i think...)


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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: gnrm23]
    #1258283 - 01/29/03 11:10 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, i originally read those triip reports at erowid, and it sounds like a good combo. But i made a post here and found its a plentheym....whatever and it could cause a hypertesive crisis. But no one said anything reliable anywhere so its a big mystery for me....


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Re: MAOI-->Syrian Rue (Worthwhile?) [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1259929 - 01/29/03 08:06 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

So is this thread technically an Other Drugs thread? I would think so since harmine is not psilocybin. Just putting things in perspective for those deciding on the future format of an 'other drugs' forum, if there will be one at all.

I mention that because this thread contains the kind of other drug information than can be dangerous to those that are reading about syrian rue for the first time. Yes, most of it is factual. But it comes in little bits at a time, with some questionable details in between. For example, amphetamines and phenethylamines (along with many others) should NOT be combined with rue. Generally, only tryptamines can safely be used combined. And even then, theres far more potential negative effects than with mushrooms alone (almost always true when combining drugs). In short, rue should only be considered by those that are very experienced and have all the facts down (a trip sitter would be smart too).

EDIT--reportedly, mescaline and 2-cb are PEAs that can be used with rue. MDMA should not be, however.

Thats why I think the best response to a post like this is a link to a FAQ if available. In this case I would point people toward the erowid pages on maois and syrian rue. (though there may be a faq somewhere that gets most of that information across without having to follow dozens of links)

sorry for the rant and offtopic agenda... I hope that an agreed format can be worked out so that the shroomery can also be a good discussion forum for other drugs in addition to mushrooms.


Edited by dirk gently (01/29/03 08:15 PM)


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