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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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"The hallmarks of worthless writing: bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" *DELETED*
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Post deleted by Moonshoe

Reason for deletion: Withdrawn, with reconsideration and apology.



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Everything I post is fiction.

Edited by Moonshoe (02/22/08 07:08 PM)

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Re: "The hallmarks of worthless writing: bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: Moonshoe]
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Arrogance?
From who's point of view? Yours, right?
I am sorry, this entire post sounds like a personalism to me.
It is funny because earlier I was posting about how some people get hurt by words and how this, in my opinion, is an act of mental immaturity. Words don't hurt, our interpretation on them do.
This long interpretation that I just read is a perfect example for what I was stating.
You talk about learning and about how arrogance obstructs one from learning, but I am proposing you a different view: couldn't the same thing be said about a defensive attitude such as the one presented in your post?
Why should you choose to feel offended by one's take on life?
I believe that a single action has many facets and many possible interpretations, what makes you so sure that yours is accurate?

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The techniques of the inferior mind are to divide, disparage, insult, rebuke or ignore.
The techniques of the superior mind are to synthesize, comprehend, analyze, extrapolate, extract and expand.


Really?
So dividing and rebuking ALWAYS exclude comprehension?
What if it is comprehension itself that leads one to rebuking? :sherlock:


Following your logic from this quote, what you did was to: divide, disparage, insult, rebuke and ignore.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I withdrew this post because i decided it was a personal reflection and not appropriate for publication. I apologize for this inconsistency.

In response to your response, as it were:


"Arrogance?
From who's point of view? Yours, right?"

Mine yes. Sadly, it is the only point of view I can claim access to.

"I am sorry, this entire post sounds like a personalism to me."

Perhaps so. I'm not sure what you mean by "personalism". Certainly it was a personal opinion based on personal reflection and personal experience.

"It is funny because earlier I was posting about how some people get hurt by words and how this, in my opinion, is an act of mental immaturity."

No one is immune to being affected by the power of words. However, i was not expressing hurt so much as contempt, in my own view.

"You talk about learning and about how arrogance obstructs one from learning, but I am proposing you a different view: couldn't the same thing be said about a defensive attitude such as the one presented in your post?"

Actually thats not a different view, its the same view applied to a new case. Furthermore my post was more aggressive then defensive.

"Why should you choose to feel offended by one's take on life?"

I chose to exercise my moral judgment and condemn a practice i find contemptible, and i remain true to that opinion.

"I believe that a single action has many facets and many possible interpretations"

As do I.

" what makes you so sure that yours is accurate?"

I dont feel it is accurate, only that it reflects my best analysis of reality.



"So dividing and rebuking ALWAYS exclude comprehension?"

Not always perhaps, and depending on the way you understand those terms.


"Following your logic from this quote, what you did was to: divide, disparage, insult, rebuke and ignore. "

I did all but the last I think.


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Everything I post is fiction.

Edited by Moonshoe (02/23/08 02:07 AM)

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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: Moonshoe]
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Was your entire opening post an example of what you hate in another? Was that to demonstrate how NOT to write?

As an anonymous member wrote in a PM, "It's one of the longest emotional wankings I have ever had the patience to read."

Keep showing us the love and light so that we may all discover the higher path that you have chosen to walk.

:fairy:


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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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"Was your entire opening post an example of what you hate in another?"

If you mean did my opening post exemplify the kind of writing that I consider to be worthless, then no. I believe it was entirely different in quality and nature from the kind of writing it described.

If on the other hand you are asking if it was a description of what I hate or find contemptible in another, then yes it was.

" Was that to demonstrate how NOT to write?"

It was intended to describe how not to write, while being itself well written.


"Keep showing us the love and light so that we may all discover the higher path that you have chosen to walk. "

I don't claim to walk a higher path than anyone else.

I dont know if you read my post before it came down, but if you did you would know it was not an expression of love or light, but rather an open and unflinching expression of scorn and contempt for certain practices and tendencies that I find pathetic.

If you had been led to believe i advocate a philosophy that demands fluffy or timid conduct, I am not sorry to disappoint you.


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Everything I post is fiction.

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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: Moonshoe]
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Gee, now I want to read it.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: Moonshoe]
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I don't claim to walk a higher path than anyone else.


:congrats: Yet you appear to consider yourself high enough to pass judgement even though you admit you may be in error. ounds suspisciously like prideful superiority.

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If you had been led to believe i advocate a philosophy that demands fluffy or timid conduct, I am not sorry to disappoint you.


All I know is that a man with courage would attempt to communicate and clear the air in private rather than do a childish public display with no real point and then delete it. Smells a lot like like fear and uncontrolled emotion.


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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Gee, now I want to read it.


That is only the gossip-hound in you. If you really read it, you would be like "Why did I waste precious minutes? Why?" :puke:.


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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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"Yet you appear to consider yourself high enough to pass judgement even though you admit you may be in error"

All people are judgment making creatures. Accepting that those judgments may be in error is merely common sense. It in no way makes it possible to abstain from making judgments, nor does it imply that we should.

"All I know is that a man with courage would attempt to communicate and clear the air in private rather than do a childish public display with no real point and then delete it. Smells a lot like like fear and uncontrolled emotion."

I deleted my work not because I changed my mind about what it expressed, but because I re-evaluated my decision to post it here. I decided to delete it for two reasons. One, I thought it might be interpreted as flaming, and two, i realized from reading other posts here that I would mostly be preaching to the converted. The kind of BS I described in that post is transparent to everyone, and many people here have already lucidly condemned it in other threads.

Admittedly it would have been better to make that decision before making the initial post, but alas I did not. Life goes on.

Edited by Moonshoe (02/23/08 01:24 AM)

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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Gee, now I want to read it.


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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: Moonshoe]
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The kind of BS I described...


*Here's a mirror* Take a long long.

There was nothing vaguely spiritual nor philosophical about your rant; merely venom and uncontrolled emotion being spewed. It this what your shamanic practices have taught you? Does your path lead to angry outbursts and poorly-veiled flames?

Your weak apology had no sincerity. :thumbdown:


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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I will not claim that there was anything spiritual about my post, however it was certainly philosophical, having to do with what does and does not constitute appropriate discourse, intellectual honesty, true understanding, right thinking and scholarly responsibility.

My shamanic path teaches me many things, mostly how to access hallucinatory and dream like states, or unusual states like lucid dreaming and out of body experiences. Certainly it does not alienate me from the emotions of anger or contempt nor does it deprive me of my ability to express those emotions. In fact I occasionally celebrate them, as is consistent with my beliefs.

Again, I make no apology for what I said. I did and do believe in the opinions I expressed. All i apologized for was posting something i later deleted. Make no mistake about that.

Obviously you have taken personal issue to what i posted, despite the fact that no one was named.

This does not concern me. I would have let this thread die anonymously as I Intended, but I have and will continue to respond to any direct comment or question posed to me.


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Everything I post is fiction.

Edited by Moonshoe (02/23/08 04:43 AM)

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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: Moonshoe]
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Obviously you have taken personal issue to what i posted, despite the fact that no one was named.



Can you possibly be more blatantly dishonest and cowardly? State for a fact to all here that you were not targeting a specific poster.

Be forewarned, I have your original post. So go ahead and lie once more, all the while being contemptuous of others.


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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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My writing was about a specific trend or tendency i observe in the intellectual world in general but most particularly in the world of internet forums. There are at least three individuals (or online persona's) who exemplify this kind of problem and certainly inspired my work. However, no explicit person was named at any time. Despite this precaution, I still felt it polite to redact my post at the earliest opportunity.

However, should you choose (without my consent) to make public my initial post, I will in no way be upset, and as I said, I wrote what I did because i felt it and meant it.


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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: Moonshoe]
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Quote:
Obviously you have taken personal issue to what i posted, despite the fact that no one was named.



Don't be so fucking coy and spit it out like a goddamn man.

You targeted me: YES or NO?


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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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No.



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Everything I post is fiction.

Edited by Moonshoe (02/23/08 05:23 AM)

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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: Moonshoe]
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If you had stood up I would have had some measure of respect for you, but I have none for a lying coward. You are pathetic.

Note to mods: I will gladly accept a ban for this personalism, but I cannot tolerate this sort of bullshit.


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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Thanks for the talk. Hope you dont get banned (really I do).
No hard feelings on this end.


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Everything I post is fiction.

Edited by Moonshoe (02/23/08 05:39 AM)

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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: Moonshoe]
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Note to readers: MS admitted to me in a PM that he wanted to do battle with me, yet still is too ballless to say it publicly. What does this tell you?

We all have differing worldviews, but lying only states that you have no confidence in your position and are living in fear.


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Re: "bull-headed negation and self sabatoge" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Ohhhhhh god! I'm so... angry! Just... damnit!

You guys seriously need to do some drugs. I mean, maybe this is happening cause your area has dried up? Seriously, do some drugs. It's a magical cure for taking things seriously.

OHHHH I'm so angry I'm gonna pee my pants. Just... damnit.


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