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Re: What's wrong with worshiping the "message" not the "messenger" [Re: z_x_x_z]
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Because people would like to believe someone did it all for them and they don't have to do The Work themselves.

"My life is my message" - M. Gandhi

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Re: What's wrong with worshiping the "message" not the "messenger" [Re: z_x_x_z]
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They're just lazy. :shrug:

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dr_gonz said:
Why are people so quick to worship Jesus (a man), why not simply worship his message? Any human is capable of achieving Christ consciousness.


Jesus is not just a man. God alone is to be worshiped. Jesus never corrected people when they tried to worship Him because He is God.

The gospel is not about your new age concept of "Christ consciousness". You are trying to impose your ideas, however they are not to be found in the Christian gospel.

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Re: What's wrong with worshiping the "message" not the "messenger" [Re: fivepointer]
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you're just doing this as a joke now, right?


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Re: What's wrong with worshiping the "message" not the "messenger" [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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EternalCowabunga said:
you're just doing this as a joke now, right?


no

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Re: What's wrong with worshiping the "message" not the "messenger" [Re: fivepointer]
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Jesus himself never said that he was god.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: What's wrong with worshiping the "message" not the "messenger" [Re: BlueCoyote]
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BlueCoyote said:
Jesus himself never said that he was god.


Yes he did.


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You are a fortunate person indeed, if you can begin each day accepting the fact that during that day there will be ups and downs, good breaks and bad ones, disappointments, surprises, and unexpected turns of events.

When you have solved all the mysteries of life you long for death, for it is but another mystery of life.

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Re: What's wrong with worshiping the "message" not the "messenger" [Re: hummermania00]
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Can you please show a direct reference ? Like some quoted verbal speech ?
I will look in the catechism meanwhile :smile:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: What's wrong with worshiping the "message" not the "messenger" [Re: BlueCoyote]
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BlueCoyote said:
Can you please show a direct reference ? Like some quoted verbal speech ?
I will look in the catechism meanwhile :smile:


Not likely to find it in catechism.
Try these

John 14:7-11
John 10:30; 37-38
John 17:3-12
Mark 14:61b-62
Luke 22:66-70


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You are a fortunate person indeed, if you can begin each day accepting the fact that during that day there will be ups and downs, good breaks and bad ones, disappointments, surprises, and unexpected turns of events.

When you have solved all the mysteries of life you long for death, for it is but another mystery of life.

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Re: What's wrong with worshiping the "message" not the "messenger" [Re: hummermania00]
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Thank you.
But to say "God is in me and I am in God" or "God and me is one" or "who sees/knows me sees/knows God" is a difference to 'I am God'. And in Pilatus trial he answered only to a question which was forced upon him. He wanted to twist their question towards a confirmation, but he didn't state it himself, at least as far as the texts goes. The rest is fine-tuning by authorities who want to cut off one's personal relationship to g*d d*dselfve, so one will need another authority besides g*d for one's salvation.

In my understanding Jesus wanted to describe how G*d worked through him and how others can find the same by his example.
Why else wouldn't he simply state, at least to his closest friends:"Look, I am God and that's why I do things like this and that and if I want, I can make vanish and make reappear the universe in an eye blink like this..-plopp-"


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

Edited by BlueCoyote (01/01/08 09:51 AM)

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Re: What's wrong with worshiping the "message" not the "messenger" [Re: z_x_x_z]
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have as much fun as possible without hurting others n then fake your death n ascend to the heavens in a spaceship


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"Have you not learned that your word is bond? Yes, my word is bond and bond is life, I shall give my life, before my word shall fail."

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dr_gonz said:
fivepointer said:
dr_gonz said:
Why are people so quick to worship Jesus (a man), why not simply worship his message? Any human is capable of achieving Christ consciousness.


Jesus is not just a man. God alone is to be worshiped. Jesus never corrected people when they tried to worship Him because He is God.

The gospel is not about your new age concept of "Christ consciousness". You are trying to impose your ideas, however they are not to be found in the Christian gospel.


forget Christ consciousness, forget all that. you completely missed what Jesus was trying to say. I feel sorry for you.


You don't know what Jesus was trying to say. Everyone makes up a subjective meaning around it just as Fivepointer and his sect does. "What the thinker thinks, the prover proves."


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: What's wrong with worshiping the "message" not the "messenger" [Re: z_x_x_z]
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As far as I'm concerned there is no correct religion period.:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Icelander said:
As far as I'm concerned there is no correct religion period.:satansmoking:


I would agree with that Icelander, simply because of the connotation the word religion brings, and denotes. Personally, I despise religion.

What many people don't seem to understand is the difference between religion and spirituality.
Some days I could likely write several pages about these 2 terms, and at other times not. Not today. Religion has at it's core, structure and bureaucracy, spirituality does not. Spirituality is an individual pursuit and will be as varied as there are individuals. Spirituality is in the mind and heart of the beholder.  :peace:  :sun:


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You are a fortunate person indeed, if you can begin each day accepting the fact that during that day there will be ups and downs, good breaks and bad ones, disappointments, surprises, and unexpected turns of events.

When you have solved all the mysteries of life you long for death, for it is but another mystery of life.

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dr_gonz said:
fivepointer said:
dr_gonz said:
Why are people so quick to worship Jesus (a man), why not simply worship his message? Any human is capable of achieving Christ consciousness.


Jesus is not just a man. God alone is to be worshiped. Jesus never corrected people when they tried to worship Him because He is God.

The gospel is not about your new age concept of "Christ consciousness". You are trying to impose your ideas, however they are not to be found in the Christian gospel.


forget Christ consciousness, forget all that. you completely missed what Jesus was trying to say. I feel sorry for you.


You have completely missed the gospel and created a new age alternative that suits your needs. Can you show from the scripture where it states about "Christ consciousness"? Do you make this up as you go? Can you show from scripture where it says that all religions are valid? It is very clear those who believe THE GOSPEL are saved, those who don't believe THE GOSPEL shall be damned.

I'm sorry that you are trapped in a sea of delusion concerning the scripture and eternal life.

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