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Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea?
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So, Having lost my entire harvest to contams...Im startin over
But this time, Im doing it right! (I think)(Crosses fingers hopes to fuckin DIE!)lol.

So Based on what Ive read, and what Ive Experimented wit so far,
BTW: this will be my Third Grow. (I consider a "GROW" ...a syryinge)
Meaning this will be the third time he took a viable spore syringe (From a sponser) and tried to make something happen with it...
How many did it take yall? (B4 you were COMPLETLY self sufficient?)
(...i.e to Shroom it into a sterile print)
what I plan to do, is take a about Dozen little water bottles, the kind that hold 250ml full, (The Tiny 8oz ones)
1)Put a little over 1/4 cup spring water in each bottle
2)Dump em all into a large liquid measuring device,(quart jar)
3)VOlUME Pending, add 1 part karo to every... what? 10 right?
4)Add a CapFul of H2O2. What is "Too Much?" or is there?
5)Put Press-n-seal over the top, poke tiny holes, Then Nuke the it for 10 min. Power setting 5. (out of 10)

While its still blazing ass hot, in sterile Draft free room,
EXACTLY 1/4 cup of the liquid mix is to be put back into bottles evenly.
Poke a hole in the Lids with a red hot poker (Flamed Knife)
Pull some Hamster Bedding,

(poly-phil)sp? through and let cool.
Actually I'll do this first in preppin the bottles
Any Way. Bla Bla Bla.
FWD: Innoc with spore solution,
Agitate Daily like this...

You find these handy little back massagers for 10 bucks!
They are DESIGNED with jars in mind ...dig?

Hey, Speaking of Cool shit to grow with... Yall seen these new little mushroom miracles...(The sponsers are gonna hate this post!) lol oh, well,


Then, once Each bottle is exactly 1/4 cup of LC...
Dry mix the BRF and VERM at a 1 to 3 ratio.
NUKE THE FUCK OUT OF IT? or Not?
or Boil? PC ? how long?
Load it into jars (in sterile Draft free room)
Then,(in a Glove Box) one jar at a time,
(Once cooled) pour each bottle of LC in to the Dry mix and use a sterile weapon to distribute the moisture even...

... Heres what Im thinking, Obviously this is alot of work on the FRONT end, but I would rather put the work in on the Good side of contamination...make sense? Im hypothesizing, rapid colonization of the substrate will almost eliminate contams, Also, Each cake then, will essentially represent an entire colony of fungus, rather some spores.? I don't know? just seem like that would make it more...?
I don't know? Regauardless. Thats my Idea.
How much of this, (if any) is "Overkill?"
More Ideas? I was thinking I could use polyfil as a TOP layer for the Other Thoughts...? Please Reply.
Jealous and Wanna fight? (...please not here)

...Last couple questions



How much innoc solution? is 5 CC's about right? for a bag this size?


This may be a stupid question but...Is this the right kind of RYE Berries?


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: FellowGrower]
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:thumbdown:


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: boomer q]
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To answer the first question, I was "self sufficient" after/on my first grow. No contaminates, several free prints included.

Now, aside from the fact that I dramatically dislike the recent "fad" of using liquid cultures as a means to speed up colonization - something for which it was never intended - I will tell you that pretty much everything in your process is flawed.

1. Almost without any doubt that hamster bedding is a natural fiber. Polyfil is a synthetic fiber used to fill pillows and stuffed toys, you can find it in the craft section of any super-mega-mart. Natural fibers can and will be colonized by contaminates and they will crawl right into your (supposedly) sterilized environment.

2. Microwaves cannot be used to sterilize or pasteurize, bottom line. When used to do either, the best you'll ever get is varying degrees of partial sterilization.

You can use boiling water/steam to sterilize brown-rice flour because it has no bacterial endospores within it, however honey, corn syrup and rye grains do. Honey, by the way has the Botulinum (botulism causing) bacterial endospores within it - which is why babies under 1yrs old can die from it. To kill bacterial contaminates you need temperatures over 212(F) which is the temperature of boiling water. To accomplish this we use autoclaves or, more commonly, pressure cookers under 15psi (100kPa) of internal pressure. The higher the pressure the higher the temperature at which water boils which means we can raise the intern temperatures to approximately 250(F) via the pressurized steam bath...for upwards of 90 minutes in most cases.

You method barely gets the whole liquid to 212(F) and only for a couple minutes, if that.

3. those are not rye berries. Rye berries are whole, unshelled grains of rye. When you make whole-grain rye bread, you start with rye berries. Not often easily found locally they're very cheap when ordered online - the cost of shipping is usually twice the cost of the product.

4. you're mixing a lot of different concepts here on creating spawn mediums. Honestly, for the money I would invest in the "lets make mushrooms" dvd from our sponsors. Sounds like you've already spent about $50 in unusable products, why not spend $50 and avoid wasting more?

There are some teaser videos from various segments of the dvd found on youtube, here...

http://www.youtube.com/user/MushroomsRR


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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.

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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: FellowGrower]
    #7634034 -

you really need to follow a Tek!~

all your failures are proof that following a Tek to the "T" is the way to go.


save all your idea's and weird inventions for after you have a few grows under your belt...

and a grow isn't a spore syringe!~





Quote:
Jealous and Wanna fight?



I highly doubt anyone around here is jealous of you!~

lose the attitude and other people might get along with you better!~



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How much innoc solution? is 5 CC's about right? for a bag this size?



2 cc's to 3 cc's would be enough.



Quote:
This may be a stupid question but...Is this the right kind of RYE Berries?



those aren't Rye Berries!~


these are Rye Berries....







tc


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: mycocurious]
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...ouch

um, okay, then uh, Why have I been told otherwise?
I mean it reachs a point on here where its like..."Who do you get your advice from?" Your right, YOu do have a "Matter of fact" attitude... & I don't think I like it, But no bother, thanks for sharing!
Can I use this grain?
Does it have to be RYE berries if I wanted to extract the psybin from the myc with cranberry juice and vitamin C tablets?


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: FellowGrower]
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FellowGrower said:
Can I use this grain?





which one?

the one that you posted....




you cannot use that grain because the hull has been removed.

it looks like millet to me.


If you are going to use Millet you need to have the hull still on the seed.

like this....







tc


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: Roadkill]
    #7635069 -

Fellowgrower, you need to learn how to write properly. It looks like an eppileptic chimpanze wrote that...

And, as roadkill stated, you should get a few grows under your belt before you try making alterations to teks you've half-read. You should also actually read teks fully before failing at them.


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-I guess we're screwed.

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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: ThePyschonaut52]
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Hes grown before. The problem is that he pops out a few shrooms and thinks hes the shit.

btw wtf is that white and silver thing in the 3rd pic?

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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: Mankey]
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Mankey said:
Hes grown before. The problem is that he pops out a few shrooms and thinks hes the shit.

btw wtf is that white and silver thing in the 3rd pic?


Thanks for Sharing!
and its not "Thinks" its "Knows" (He's the shit),
But what you forgot was that I was the shit BEFORE I grew em too...
so, it anit like Im Using a contamed flush to get my respect.(in disbitch) so? Yeah.
But Hey? So whats the word. Quit holdin out.
What can/should I do with this Organiic Rye?
... about that 3rd pic... you'll see soon enough


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: mycocurious]
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mycocurious said:
To answer the first question, I was "self sufficient" after/on my first grow. No contaminates, several free prints included...

COngradulations you must be OCD!...BAD!
...I will tell you that pretty much everything in your process is flawed.

I will tell you that you are full of more shit than my Jeep on ANY GIVEN WEEKEND m'fer. LOL. (said playfully)
... b/c what your tellin me about a microwave, PROVES YOUR NOOBIENESS... Mods... You gotta stop this kid from postin this BS in my threads! You know DAMN well a microwave can sterlize ANYTHING!
So why are you letting him spread this false info?
Its post like this that make me sick!


1. Almost without any doubt that


1. Almost without any doubt that hamster bedding is a natural fiber. Polyfil is a synthetic fiber used to fill pillows and stuffed toys, you can find it in the craft section of any super-mega-mart. Natural fibers can and will be colonized by contaminates and they will crawl right into your (supposedly) sterilized environment.

2. Microwaves cannot be used to sterilize or pasteurize, bottom line. When used to do either, the best you'll ever get is varying degrees of partial sterilization.

You can use boiling water/steam to sterilize brown-rice flour because it has no bacterial endospores within it, however honey, corn syrup and rye grains do. Honey, by the way has the Botulinum (botulism causing) bacterial endospores within it - which is why babies under 1yrs old can die from it. To kill bacterial contaminates you need temperatures over 212(F) which is the temperature of boiling water. To accomplish this we use autoclaves or, more commonly, pressure cookers under 15psi (100kPa) of internal pressure. The higher the pressure the higher the temperature at which water boils which means we can raise the intern temperatures to approximately 250(F) via the pressurized steam bath...for upwards of 90 minutes in most cases.

You method barely gets the whole liquid to 212(F) and only for a couple minutes, if that.


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: FellowGrower]
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I'm guessing this thread is going to go nowhere.

minus the attitude, mycocurious made several correct points.

Roadkill made the best point of all though:
follow a tek to the "T" with zero substitutions.

many of your ideas have been tried, many have failed.
it's in your best interest to take the wisdom here an apply it,
rather than snub your nose at it and follow a failing path already
taken by many.

if you want to continue on as you are, I suggest you just do so
on your own.  you ask for advice and such, but can't handle the
answers.  that's not cool.  so just do your experiments on your
own and just show the results.  There's been probably hundreds
of thousands of folks that have come before you and thought what
you are thinking.  just about everything has been tried at some
point in time and posted about.  the teks we use are a combination
of all of the best successes from our trials, and if used properly
they produce great results every time.

that's what you want right?  so why not do it?  why intentionally fail?

doesn't seem practical to me.  I know it takes all the fun out of
it in the beginning, but you'll get over that once you have a bunch
of harvests under your belt and you don't have any contams.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4576865/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5930161/an/0/page/0
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5668096/an/0/page/0
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5278987#Post5278987
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=30&Number=6187355&page=1&fpart=all

there's tons of teks out there that work really well.
give one a shot.

:lsd:


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: monstermitch]
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To be completely honest, I really didn't mean to have an attitude during my post and I'm sorry if I did. Sincerely.

I do, however, stand behind my statement that you're not going to not going to be able to sterilize properly in the microwave. Considering microwaves have been around for a good forty years now, why would anyone bother buying a pressure cooker for this hobby if they did such a thorough job?


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:justdontknow: Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude.  I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected...

- How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates
- How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier
- How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse
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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.

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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: mycocurious]
    #7638470 -

:lockdance:


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-I guess we're screwed.

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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: FellowGrower]
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It's been a while since I've been here, (I've had so many dried that it hasn't been necessary) and I can't believe that Goldenschlager aka Fellowgrower is still puking his bullshit all over the boards. DUDE, YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE! It's been like 6 months, if you haven't figured it out by now it's not gonna happen. Find another hobby hoto.  :goatse:


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: 1Badfish]
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LoL. SO this is what you expect me to beleive... Your tellin me,
And MODS by not banning them or setting it straight you are CO-SIGNING that bullshit. So Let it be known, That NOTHING you read on ANY of these forums is being monitored by anyone that knows anything about anything...if this is how its goin down, B/c What essentially you are telling me is that you can't sterilize in the mic... your tellin me that even though Spring Water, straight out the bottle, microwaves are completely ripping thru and thru every molecule in the said water for 5, 15, what ever the fuck minutes, is not gonna kill endospores? MODS? HELLO! this fucker (I meant person.lol) is spreading FALSE INFORMATION on my threads! GD it! DO SOMETHIN!... This thread isn't about (or supposed to be about) Microwave sterilization, but it has turned into that so...

...U all are right. And wrong. and so am I. In alot of respects,
... thats all I have to say about that.
Mods? Can I get a witness? The thread is about RYE bitches RYE.
and LC inoculation. ONLY POST HERE IF YOUVE TRIED IT! Damn!

1badFish, Long time no hear from! whats up buddy? yep. Still doing my thing... lol


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: FellowGrower]
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FellowGrower said:

What can/should I do with this Organiic Rye?



I already told you that looks like Millet that has the hull removed!~

are you fricken reading my posts?


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: FellowGrower]
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FellowGrower said:
Mods? Can I get a witness?


RogerRabbit said:
Microwaves should be used for pizza and ants, not mycology.
RR


RogerRabbit said:
Microwaves are usually the filthiest appliance in a house because there's no way to clean up inside the area where the fan circulates air past the magnetron tube and back to the chamber. I don't consider microwaves suitable for any mycology project. Others disagree, but that's my stand. I hate failure, and go to great lengths to avoid it.
RR


RogerRabbit said:
The microwave is partial sterilization due to the very hot temperatures.
RR


TigerMtnCrew said:
I was just having a thought... Would it not be great it only took 5min or so to fully sterilize a jar? I was wondering if it would be at all possible? I was reading up to see if anyone had tried it before and I did not find anything, I did however find that some people use this method to lower the water content of their cakes if they are over saturated. For this to be done you would some how have to be able to gauge the amount of water lost while you where sterilizing because there would be no way to effectively cover the jars since the lids are metal. One added complexity would also be to figure the extra amount of water that would need to be added before cooking. There may be too much risk introduced by having to place the lids on after sterilization though they could be sterilized separately. Anyway I was just wondering if anyone had giving this any thought since I had found no other posts on this specific subject.


RogerRabbit said:
It doesn't work. If the substrate ever reached 100C/212F, it would by the laws of physics, be totally dry.
RR


RogerRabbit said:
Don't try it with grains. Brown rice doesn't harbor bacterial endospores, which is why simple boiling or steaming works. To ensure you don't burn or screw up your moisture content, simply use a pot of water and steam them.

Grains need to be pressure cooked.
RR



proper sterilization of our grains and substrates needs to be
done under pressure, otherwise it'll ruin our water content
and not provide complete sterilization.

but again, we've tried it, you haven't.
so go try it and stop complaining about it. then show us what
happened.

a post like this would be much better to read from you.


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: monstermitch]
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Don't feed the troll.


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: Chi Ro]
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Nice post mitch..


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Re: Schlagers Log Supplemental; Myc Life cycle question thing, Is this a good Idea? [Re: Slimz]
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fellowgrower, seriously, put down the crack pipe,


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